[Oregon] Marijuana Measure Qualifies for Ballot
Source: Statesman-Journal
Oregon voters will decide Nov. 6 whether to legalize adult use of marijuana and whether the state can regulate its cultivation and sale.
The secretary of state reported Friday that its sampling verified 88,887 of a total 151,870 signatures submitted in two rounds, just above the threshold of 87,213 required for a proposed law.
Washington state voters will decide a similar measure.
Although voters rejected a legalization measure in 1986, Oregon was among the first states to approve marijuana for medical uses in 1998. Voters rejected a measure in 2010 for state-licensed dispensaries for sale of marijuana to patients. The current measure would allow commercial sales only through state-licensed stores, with 90 percent of taxes going into the state general fund.
Read more: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20120714/NEWS/307140023/Marijuana-measure-qualifies-ballot?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CNews
That makes three Western states that will vote on pot legalization this fall. In addition to Oregon and Washington, the third state is Colorado.
OutNow
(863 posts)but I will vote to legalize and hope the ballot measure will cause more young people to vote and increase the margin of Obama's win. ITMT, we have to make sure crazy-ass Art Robinson goes down in flames against Pete DeFazio.
I'm 62 and on so many meds for my disability that I won't be able to smoke legal weed. But 30 years ago.... light me up.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Opponents of legalization tend to be hard core voters so they are always going to vote. These ballot measures will pull a lot of people to the polls that wouldn't otherwise show up - and that group will also vote largely for Dems.
We are taking a page from the Republican playbook. They've been using this tactic for a long time with great success. For example, the use the churches to stir up hate against gays and then put a gay marriage amendment on the ballot.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)It's got legalization on the November ballot.
It's got a medical marijuana community pissed off at Obama over the crackdown on dispensaries there.
There's a Libertarian presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, who'se been working the state and calling for legalization.
This could be a state where Obama loses because of the national party's opposition to marijuana legalization. And while I don't want him to lose the national election, losing Colorado could be a good thing in terms of advancing marijuana law reform. Nothing makes a politician think again like losing an election (or in this case, a state).
kristopher
(29,798 posts)There might be some uninformed assholes that vote libertarian who wouldn't have otherwise voted, but the vast majority that will be pulled to the polls by this initiative are going to vote Dem. They aren't stupid just because they favor legalization.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)You've got to be kidding me.
The "crackdown on dispensaries" in Colorado were those within 1000 feet of schools or something like that. The only thing that was bad was the Feds tried to shut down a large grow operation and guess what? Coloradoans nullified. Colorado is staying blue.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The crackdown took out about 24 dispensaries, I think. They weren't violating state law with their locations; the feds pulled that "drug free school zone" sentencing enhancment out of their ass and arbitrarily used it to apply to dispensaries. It's arbitrary because the feds will tell you that all dispensaries are illegal; they just wanted to get the low hanging fruit.
I googled "colorado poll obama romney johnson" and found some interesting stuff. Only one poll mentions Johnson and he pulls 5% in that one. Another has "other" pulling 6%. I don't know who any other "other" might be other than Johnson. Interestingly, the poll that showed him at 5% said he was hurting Romney, not Obama.
The race appears tighter than you suggest. The Real Clear Politics average of polls has Obama at 47.2% and Romney at 44.2%. That's only a three-point lead, within the margin of error of most polls, and he's under 50%.
It'll be interesting to see what role marijuana policy plays in the campaign, and whether Johnson can make hay with it. And whether he ends up hurting Romney or Obama. But I can't imagine the campaign in Colorado going by without all the candidates being asked about their stand on the legalization initiative.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Romney's group of supporters in Colorado is basically shored up, they're not going to vote for Obama or any leftist for the most part.
Obama should win Colorado by 5 points handedly. I expect it will go down like 2008, lots more latino voters, and the MMJ legalization should spur a lot of youth to come out and vote.
Johnson will not get more votes than Nader in 2008. (.5%)
fredamae
(4,458 posts)being in "lockstep" with the Fed Sched I classification to a State Sched II.
There are many, many reasons why Oregon voters should Want to approve this BM in November. This isn't even a partisan issue.
midnight
(26,624 posts)will turn out... I know this measures would pass if it was given a fair chance at the polls...
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The conventional wisdom among initiative experts is that they need to be polling at 60% or more at the beginning of the campaign. They always lose some support at the end as the opposition mobilizes.
The latest polls have the Colorado initiative faring best, with 56%, I think, and the Washington and Oregon initiatives polling about 50%.
It looks like both the Washington and Colorado initiatives will be well-funded; too soon to say for Oregon.
Still, I'm hoping for a legalization trifecta in November.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)And as a preview of what might happen in this referendum, Ellen Rosenblum just got sworn in as Oregon's first woman attorney general on an interim basis after winning the Democratic Primary to fill the seat before the general election in November where she's pretty much already elected without an official Republican challenger.
One big reason she won the primary and what separated her from Dwight Holton in that primary was her stance on helping get medical marijuana legal here, which Holton wouldn't do.
I met her a couple of weeks ago and she provided us some nice stories on how she evolved in to that stance on this issue from her earlier court cases on. Though I don't believe she's officially a Marijuana legalization promoter, she will make sure that we as a state don't get pushed around after the state has said what it wants its laws to be in this area.
I think Oregonians have a good shot at passing this, and sending a message to Obama that we really need to stop fighting this useless drug war!
0rganism
(23,931 posts)At least we have a plausible paper trail, if it ever comes down to a recount.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I got my Med. Marijuana card a year ago; and I remember
how HUGE it was for me, to no longer have to be looking
over my shoulder and hiding my use of the herb.
I've got some minor gripes about the fees and so forth, and
I totally support full legalization.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)whenever that was (I can't even remember). I'm undecided on complete legalization. I will likely wait and decide at the last minute after doing some reading on the issue.
With most ballot measures if I have any inkling of a doubt I vote no. I'm not to that point though.
It will be interesting to see what else is on the ballot. I will be voting by email.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)The U.S. has more people in prison for nonviolent crime (generally drug related) than any other nation in the world. You can help change this appalling statistic with your vote.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117052
Studies here and in The Netherlands found no link to teen drug abuse and legal or decriminalized regulated marijuana
A working paper published Monday (PDF) claims that, despite the insistence of numerous U.S. officials, legalizing medical marijuana had no distinguishable effect on teen drug abuse rates in the surrounding communities.
Drawing upon data from 13 states from 1993 2009, professors from Montana State University, the University of Oregon and the University of Colorado Denver found that medical marijuana actually had a negative impact on the consumption of cocaine, the use of which declined 1.9 percent in areas that had legalized medical marijuana. It had no statistically significant impact on teen marijuana use.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/18/study-finds-medical-marijuana-has-no-impact-on-teen-drug-abuse/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117045
Joe Klein, via Time Magazine, had this to say (also in the link, above): The U.S. is, by far, the most "criminal" country in the world, with 5% of the world's population and 25% of its prisoners. We spend $68 billion per year on corrections, and one-third of those being corrected are serving time for nonviolent drug crimes. We spend about $150 billion on policing and courts, and 47.5% of all drug arrests are marijuana-related. That is an awful lot of money, most of it nonfederal, that could be spent on better schools or infrastructure or simply returned to the public.
The McCaskill report indicates that U.S. taxpayers have shelled out over $3 billion for work and equipment related to the drug war in Latin America from 2005-2009, and most of that money went to private contractors.
McCaskill launched the inquiry after looking into counternarcotics efforts underway in Afghanistan. However, neither the Department of Defense nor the State Dept. were able to provide adequate documentation on their contracts and in many cases could not even identify firms that were given millions in tax dollars.
Five major defense contractors received the bulk of drug war contract spending: Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, DynCorp, ARINC and ITT. Out of all the firms, DynCorp benefitted most, winning $1.1 billion.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117026
Prof. and lawyer Arnold Trebach, on the DEA rescheduling hearings of 1988 with Judge Francis Young, noted marijuana is the most extensively analyzed psychotropic substance in the history of mankind - and that DEA committee recommended removing marijuana from the "illegal" schedule I designation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1170115
Nixon's self-selected head of an investigative committee recommended complete decriminalization more than 30 years ago - and yet no federal level official, to this day, will take the advice of those who have studied this issue more than anyone else in this nation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117029
From the final comments:
The Commission feels that the criminalization of possession of marihuana for personal is socially self-defeating as a means of achieving this objective. We have attempted to balance individual freedom on one hand and the obligation of the state to consider the wider social good on the other. We believe our recommended scheme will permit society to exercise its control and influence in ways most useful and efficient, meanwhile reserving to the individual American his sense of privacy, his sense of individuality, and, within the context of ail interacting and interdependent society, his options to select his own life style, values, goals and opportunities.
The Commission sincerely hopes that the tone of cautious restraint sounded in this Report will be perpetuated in the debate which will follow it. For those who feel we have not proceeded far enough, we are reminded of Thomas Jefferson's advice to George Washington that "Delay is preferable to error." For those who argue we have gone too far, we note Roscoe Pound's statement, "The law must be stable, but it must not stand still."
We have carefully analyzed the interrelationship between marihuana the drug, marihuana use as a behavior, and marihuana as a social problem. Recognizing the extensive degree of misinformation about marihuana as a drug, we have tried to demythologize it. Viewing the use of marihuana in its wider social context, we have tried to desymbolize it.
Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marihuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marihuana as a problem. The existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug. To replace it, we have attempted to design a suitable social policy, which we believe is fair, cautious and attuned to the social realities of our time.
This recommendation, of course, was ignored. It is up to the American people to bring our national laws into the realm of reality by creating change at the state level. Special interests (i.e. military contractors, federal bureaucracies) are what keeps marijuana illegal.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I have been to Amsterdam and to a "coffee shop". I didn't smoke it, but the person I was with did. My fascination was getting a copy of the menu to take back home. I think it got thrown out when I emptied my storage unit though.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)I lived "next door" for a little while - still have ex-relatives there - I drank beer or wine - never made it to a coffee shop.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Not that it was that big of deal I guess. I was amazed how easy you could get it there. My wife (1st one) and I walked along the red district just to see what it looked like. I figured it would be really seedy, but it was almost touristy. Again I only went "window" shopping.
the first time I ever went overseas I was just graduated from h.s. and was with a bunch of students. the first place we stopped was Amsterdam. I decided to take a walk around by myself while others were settling in and it seemed like I just turned the corner from our hotel and was in "tv town." Of course I had to go back and get everyone else because it was like nothing we'd seen before.
a lot of the prostitution areas are by train stations or big tourist areas in various major cities, it seems. when people arrived by boat - they used to be by ports more often...
If you've never been to the Reeperbahn, in Berlin - that's another unusual place.
anyway - I'm sorry I never got to a coffee shop but it had been so long since I had used marijuana and I had small kids - it just wasn't on my mind when I lived there - and a lot of people thought of them (and still do) as "tourist" shops - the claim used to be that the coffee shops were full of Americans or Brits who cross the channel for a weekend.
I'm sure that's not entirely true - but what is true is that "forbidden" is sometimes more of an enticement to try something - that's one reason why some people speculate there's less cannabis use per capita in places in Europe than in the U.S.
Humans are such paradoxes sometimes. If you tell them they can't do something - that just seems to spur them to do it. If you act like it's just another option - they aren't so driven to have an experience. Not as much excitement in something that's legal, I guess.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)And that was just a 2 week trip to Sweden and The Netherlands. A few years later I ended up moving overseas, permanently. I go back every couple of years to visit, but there's just not much there for me anymore.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)I haven't been for a while but keep up with old in-laws. they keep telling me to come over and visit but it's sort of awkward - I like them. my ex, not so much.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I spent 10 months in China late last year and early this year and didn't like it much. The only thing I dislike here is the damn humidity.
roody
(10,849 posts)with decriminalization of all drugs.
progressoid
(49,951 posts)dept of Justice support these state's rights as well.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)Thanks for the thread, Comrade Grumpy.
musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)I trust the good people of these states to end the drug war once and for all with a gigantic exclamation point. More than squeeking out wins would be nice. My contribution ( talking points), besides a bit of cash I can offer to the campaigns, as follows:
1. If you are against legalization you are for the mexican drug cartels and their violence
2. If you are against this measure then you are against thousands of new jobs and millions if not billions of new revenues for the state that cannabis and hemp will bring
3. If you want your children to have drug awareness and you want funding to fight addiction of all sorts, then you are for this measure.
4. If you want the cops to fight real crime, and not waste their time chasing non-violent young people and sick people, then you are for this measure.
5. If you are fiscally conservative and dont want taxpayers paying incarceration costs that are double or more the costs of addicition treatment, then you are for this measure.
electedface
(16 posts)Estimates show that marijuana is Americas number one cash crop. However, marijuana remains untaxed. This is a new source of income for our nation, an income we desperately need.
Over 500 of the nations top economic professors have shared their opinion in supporting the removing the prohibition and imposing the taxation and regulation of marijuana as a way to slow the federal deficit.
Ending marijuana prohibition would save the US $7.7 BILLION annually. That is nearly as much as Congress proposed Budget Control Act. Think of the jobs it would create, the court time I would save and the jail space it would free up for actual criminals.
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