Politics Trump Just Flip-Flopped, Admitted He WILL Slash Social Security & Medicare

[John_Doe80004]

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Source: occupy democrats

Trump administration officials have released an outline of their plan to take an axe to the federal budget, and they’re targeting everything – except military spending. Aiming to reduce spending by $10.5 trillion over ten years, they will accomplish this by gutting Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, breaking one of Donald Trump’s biggest campaign promises.

“It is my intention to leave Social Security as it is!” announced Trump in a March debate. He told the Heritage Foundation – the neoliberal far-right think tank that drafted the budget outlines used by Republicans in Congress – that “I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid. Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn’t, they don’t know what to do because they don’t know where the money is. I do.”

But it appears Donald Trump, pathological liar and ideological weathervane, is backtracking on his promises yet again. The Hill reports that the budget reductions are based off a Heritage Foundation outline, and a Mother Jones analysis found that this means the Trump Administration will be cutting Medicare by 41%, Medicaid by 41%, and Social Security by 8%

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well folks, here it comes!!!

[Freedomofspeech]

1. Bastards.

[Angry Dragon]

2. in a previous post on DU there was a link to the Heritage Report

[tenorly]

3. I wonder how the teabags will like Trump's government hands on their Medicare now.

[JHan]

54. fuck is that sign real?

[tenorly]

56. Oh, yes - one of thousands, and one of the tamer ones at that.

At least it didn't have any depictions of President Obama as a witch doctor, murderer, monkey, etc.

I suppose the cretin that made it should be commended.

[paleotn]

58. Ummm, Medicare....

IS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, YOU STUPID FUCKING MORAN!!!!!!

[tenorly]

59. If one could have injected truth serum into each one of those oafs holding up those signs,

they'd confess that what they really meant is: "Whites only! Stop letting minorities and gays have access to Medicare!"

[paleotn]

64. Yep...

with the supposed demise of "political correctness", why don't they just let it all hang out and broadcast what their really thinking....brown people should be kept as pets, gays stoned to death and women pregnant and in the kitchen. Even now the haters, racists, misogynists and homophobes still can't bring themselves to just say what they're really thinking. Could it be that deep down, even they believe their thoughts are vile and evil? One can only hope.

[Stonepounder]

4. I think we may end up with a revolution if he tries.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Well he wont try, he will do it and soon. So I do hope people are paying attention.

I know I am and I know my life will be severely harmed by it.

Any reduction AT ALL in Medicare or Social Security will be very bad for me, very bad. I wont know what I will do if he does that.

[JudyM]

66. We have to be on top of the media and not let false characterization memes dampen the significance.

[Crash2Parties]

67. If I may add...

[George II]

5. It won't happen.

[Hortensis]

84. "Trumps Cabinet picks have yet to be apprised of the reforms,

which would reduce resources within their agencies." The Hill

Lol. The Hill suggests there could be issues getting this through Congress, and another source wonders if Trump has actually approved what all this suggests. We know it's far too complex for him to understand the details. Let's see how unquestioningly loyal his followers are.

Btw, for those interested, The Hill leans solidly right, and has some very biased writers, but has very good DC contacts and is overall considered a respectable source.

Occupy Democrats is very left, but not only lacks depth but is considered a better source for propaganda than reliable information--a counterpart to the propaganda sources on the right. Useful as a heads-up on something other sources are still investigating and confirming--to kick off a search for those other sources. Like Mother Jones, Slate, and Vanity Fair, which all lean left and have already written on this but have solid reputations.

[NCjack]

6. GD Teabaggers -- you did this!!!

[napi21]

7. He's going to lose a LOT of his supporters if he tries that! nt

[Justice]

8. but will they believe it is happening?

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

10. Just as soon as they miss the first check.

[Old Vet]

32. I have to dis-agree, he wont lose one fucking trump voter.............

Even if trumps voters lose medical coverage, Social security gets slashed, They will blindly follow this asshole whatever. Very, Very Scarey

[elmac]

36. Yes, tRump voters are so stupid

that he could slit their throats with a butcher knife why they gurgle the words thank you.

[Ahpook]

44. You have that right

Already seeing his minions posting tired old bullshit on Facebook.

This kind of shit can't go through! It would crush so many people

[Cosmocat]

51. Yep - this country is THAT fucked in its head

At this point ...

[napi21]

74. I agree they overlook almost everything, BUT when it takes actual $$ out of THEIR pocket,

I think you're wrong. I know several of my neighbors who are very strong con supporters, but they're living on SS only. If they lose any, even a small amount, they'll panic. You're probably right about the younger voters, but those who are directly affected by reduction is SS or Medicare, they'll not only care. they'll be OFF the con wagon.

[ProfessorGAC]

91. I'm With You Napi

SS is the true third rail of politics. The whole stupid tea party thing was about the government taking too much money out of people's pockets. This is the same thing. So, those people are going to resent this as much as the "overtaxed" thing. Probably a lot more.

[rtracey]

52. He's not

He's not doing anything, he is ask/telling congress to do it. The president has very little power in these matters. the right -wing will need to think very hard about cutting medicare and Social Security, that is if they want to keep their cushy day jobs.

[rzemanfl]

9. I will turn 70 this year and if they cut Medicare I vow to die on a Republican's lawn.

Without ID. Let them figure out what to do with me.

[TexasBushwhacker]

60. I've considered that too

Except I would do it in front of my local Social Security office.

[rzemanfl]

61. The Social Security people probably didn't vote for Drumpf. n/t

[TexasBushwhacker]

62. Then maybe in Ted Poe's front yard

He's my rep.

[rzemanfl]

63. K. Mine is a dem, I hope. Used to be a Repuke. n/t

[TexasBushwhacker]

65. Correction. Mine is Culberson

Still GOP though.

[rzemanfl]

70. Mine is Charlie Crist. n/t

[briv1016]

71. They'll just roll you into the street.

Then you're the town's problem.

[rzemanfl]

90. Throughout history many people have learned it is dangerous to touch

corpses.

[herding cats]

76. I doubt it will empact you.

These things usually impact younger people, like 50 and under.

Which makes a lot of sense today. That way they don't lose the Boomer vote, and the GenXers are such a small demographic no one really panders to them. How the Millennials react remains to be seen.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. Thieves

They're stealing everything now. nothing is safe

[olddad56]

12. perhaps he will do something creative...

like base the cuts on your voter registration and only cut the benefits of Democrats.

[Thekaspervote]

13. I hope this is a wake up call for all the trumlandiers

how could they have not seen thru the BS?!

Hopefully they won't be able to get away with it. The legions that will be out there protesting...his so called popularity will be underwater

[factfinder_77]

14. We young liberals got what we deserved, not voting and or, not coming together.

It’s so sad that our worst nightmare has come true.

[redstatebluegirl]

28. It wasn't just young people, it was a lot of people who stayed home or

voted for someone who could not win to make Hillary "pay". I feel sorry for young people, a Trump Supreme Court will mess with your lives for 40 years.

[olddad56]

55. the election was so fucking rigged that it would not have mattered

[wryter2000]

15. Unless he does it via budget reconcilliation

No effing way.

[LongTomH]

16. Remember Ike's other warning:

We remember his warning about the Miliary Industrial Complex; we need to start repeating this one:

[Blue_Roses]

57. Here, here!

[OldRedneck]

17. A plea to my fellow DU'ers

Republicans so hated Franklin Roosevelt they would not speak his name, referring to him instead as "That Man."

I have promised myself not to speak or write the name of the piece of shit who will be sworn in as President on January 20, 2017, referring instead to him as "That Man." I know -- sounds like sour grapes but it's my grapes.

So -- if you agree, find your own pet name for That Man and use it until he's impeached.

Dead going on 60 years, FDR still makes self-styled champions of American-style capitalism fulminate, much the same way their counterparts in the 1930s raged against "That Man." Why? The New Deal era reminds national greatness Republicans like Wehner of their party's futility in a time of true national greatness. I also suspect that many Republicans are simply unable to forgive Roosevelt for what may have been his greatest and longest-lasting achievement: saving American capitalism through regulation. And since they can't tear down the Triborough Bridge or the Hoover Dam, these guys act out by going after Social Security.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2005/01/hes_still_that_man.html

[UpInArms]

33. I lean toward TrumpleThinSkin, but

my hubby likes Orange Stupid Fuck

[bench scientist]

85. I too like Trumplethinskin and Shitler.

[Berlin Expat]

86. For me it's

Cheeto Mussolini.

[Dawgman49]

34. I refer to him/it

as "the creature"

[Mr. Evil]

41. I always liked 'The Orange Shitgibbon.' n/t

[BobTheSubgenius]

46. Creative - I like it!

So far, mine has been "Tangerine Nutsack."

[aggiesal]

50. I've been calling him ...

McCheetohead
or
Herr Gropenfuhrer.

[potone]

89. For the moment...

I'm going with the Orange Apocalypse. Although Jon Stewart's appellation is good too.

[Snellius]

18. We already paid for these benefits. This is money owed.

We've paid into SS and Medicare all our working lives. This is not a government hand out. It's insurance paid for with the promise the money will be returned. Withholding benefits is fraud and theft.

[cstanleytech]

21. Theft and fraud is what the Republicans seem gifted at be it money or elections. nt

[davekriss]

23. Yes it is theft

Class theft. The savings from these programs which serve so many of us so well will make the huuuge tax cuts for the 1% less visible. Stealth and theft, pure and simple.

[padfun]

24. Then all 100 million of us should sue the Federal gov

since they aren't delivering on something promised and paid for.

[herding cats]

79. They'll just change how it's done, not eliminate it entirely.

Just like they've been doing already. Which is perfectly legal.

It'll begin at 70-72 years of age, it'll be tied to the stock market, and your payments will not be a guaranteed amount. They still want you to pay into the fund, after all. They just don't want you benefiting overly much from the protection it was designed to offer.

None of that really matters though, once they're done with Medicare most of us won't live to collect SS.

[Kingofalldems]

19. Trump doing yeoman's work lying and trolling America.

[mwooldri]

20. The DC Fire Department need to invest...

... in a fire station next door to the White House. I also recommend that Donald J Trump starts wearing kilts, because his pants are always on fire. So many lies, so many pants on fire.... Sad!

[Eko]

22. Ummm, something seems odd here.

"He told the Heritage Foundation – the neoliberal far-right think tank". Anyone ever heard it considered a neoliberal org? Not me.

[world wide wally]

31. I think people only use that term as a veiled attack on liberals. I never hear it in normal

conversation about politics.

[BlueJac]

25. We all knew they would do this fist thing!

Assholes! Thank you Trump voters for selling out American values.

[Bob Loblaw]

45. Fist thing?

Yow!

[Equinox Moon]

26. It might not play out like this.

This was "written" by the Heritage Foundation (who is not our government) and I doubt very much grabberman has heard about it or laid eyes on it. The group of people around him want this, it might not be what he and pence end up with as their budget recommendation. Plus, another area, his daughter advocated for family paid leave.

This would be a tea party/koch dream come true, it might not be the final draft. IMO.

[YOHABLO]

37. Let's not forget that the ACA came from the Heritage Foundation.

I find it so ironic.

[Thinkingabout]

29. This is what we get, Trump is not any good and he and republicans will unravel

All they can. He has his billionaires helping him.

[world wide wally]

30. WTF did anybody expect?

The GOP has been trying to do this for years, and like Putin, they found the tool to do it.
The deal is that he signs whatever they do and in return he gets to make any deals with Russia he wants. Win-win-win for Trump, Putin, and the GOP.

Thanks, deplorables

[kairos12]

40. Next up, putting the Social Security Trust Fund in the casino economy of Wall Street.

Bankrupt on it.

[world wide wally]

42. Yep. Buy high.... Right?

[YOHABLO]

35. This is the time to mobilize. Got to hit the streets en-mass.

[tavernier]

38. This had better be the headline

on all the newspapers around the country.

[chelsea0011]

39. I guess I picked the wrong time to turn 65

[SleeplessinSoCal]

43. Need a better source. OccupyDemocrats ain't gonna fly

with 99.9% of Americans.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

48. The Hill says it's not clear.

It’s not clear whether Trump’s first budget will include reforms to Social Security or Medicare, two major drivers of the federal deficit.

Trump vowed during the campaign not to cut Medicare and Social Security, a pledge that Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), his pick to head the Department of Health and Human Services, told lawmakers in testimony Wednesday has not changed.

Yet it could be very difficult to reduce U.S. debt without tackling the entitlement programs. Conservative House budgets have repeatedly included reforms to Medicare and Social Security, arguing they are necessary to save the programs.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts

[cstanleytech]

77. If they do draconian cuts like this its going to tank the economy.

Mind you there isnt any problem with looking to make sure the government gets its moneys worth and that the tax payers arent being soaked by if your stupid about it like the Republicans seem to be it can cause alot more problems down the road.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

73. It will likely happen as it says.

The Hill explains that the revenue is in Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. Why else bring in all those vultures from Goldman Sachs? And the MIC is hungry. They've been on a very healthy diet and don't much like it.

[cstanleytech]

78. The MiC needs an even stricter diet imo and the money would be far better spent on a major

infrastructure plan for the country.

[aggiesal]

47. That's just the first budget ...

3 more years after that.

I hope those that voted for Herr Gropenfuhrer are happy now!

[BobTheSubgenius]

49. It *could* be an odd bait-and-switch.

Threaten things that are so horrible that trotting out something halfway between the present system and THAT sounds good by comparison.

[Stonepounder]

69. That actually sounds more likely.

Trump can propose, but I don't think the House could get the votes to pass if. Remember, Reps only get a two year term, and WAY too many people, both those of us who depend on Medicare and Social Security and our kids would take it really personally. Our kids would not be appreciative that we could no longer afford to live in our own home and had to move in with them and they would have to pay to help make up for the loss of our Medicare to keep us alive. They might not remember their Senator in six years, but our local Representative, that they can remember for a year and vote him out. And our Reps know it!

[Crash2Parties]

68. Okay, but what if...

The GOP is going to implement some sort of single payer + minimum income & that would mean dismantling everything it replaces?

Sigh.

Yeah, I didn't think so either.

[turbinetree]

72. Assholessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Been paying into my social security for over 45 years, and now they want to cut my medicare 41% FU, want to cut my social security 8% FU.


The can of worm has now been f***king opened time for a revolution

[Cracklin Charlie]

75. So, Republican leadership has the shit on him, too.

He will do whatever they tell him to do.


Who all will blackmail Trump before this is over?

[Doreen]

80. For anyone who said I was silly to worry about that.

I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

[mindem]

81. There will be a ton of money

going into CEO and investor pockets if employers don't have to make the match for social security anymore. Employers are doing everything they can to eliminate everything but a meager hourly wage for workers.

[dalton99a]

82. Evil sick fuck utterly devoid of humanity.

[AgadorSparticus]

83. They will try. But there will be a HUGE pushbback. And they will be sorry they tried.

They can kids midterms goodbye.

[davsand]

87. Honestly speaking, I think it will kill the GOP if they gut senior programs.

There's one block of voters that votes without fail, and they are the ones on Social Security and Medicare--The Seniors. Traditionally, those same folks tend to vote Republican in higher percentages. Screw up SS and Medicare, and they will be beyond unhappy, and looking to clean house of anyone that votes to change those programs.

It has been called the "Third Rail" for a long time, and there's a reason why.


Laura

[AgadorSparticus]

88. That is exactly what I was thinking. That is not a demographic I would mess with

Bur it looks like they have placed themselves in a difficult position of getting exactly what they want.

[DonViejo]

92. Locking...

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