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fountainofyouth

(409 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:39 PM Jan 2017

Mattis, Pompeo stunned by CIA 'black sites' report

Source: Politico

Two of the officials who will be in charge of carrying out President Donald Trump's terrorism detainee policies, Defense Secretary James Mattis and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, were “blindsided” by reports of a draft executive order that would require the CIA to reconsider using interrogation techniques that some consider torture, according to sources with knowledge of their thinking.

Lawmakers in both parties denounced the draft order on Wednesday even as White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said he had “no idea where it came from” and that it is “not a White House document.”

It’s unclear who wrote the draft order or whether Trump will sign it, though members of Congress in both parties were taking that prospect seriously on Wednesday. [snip]

Despite the questions about who wrote the document, more than a half-dozen lawmakers issued statements denouncing it. They're likely trying to get out front of any attempt by Trump to return the country to now-outlawed interrogation techniques.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/torture-mattis-pompeo-defense-234180



Just as terrifying as the contents of the potential EO is the fact that nobody seems to know who's doing anything. It's a madhouse at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW.
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Mattis, Pompeo stunned by CIA 'black sites' report (Original Post) fountainofyouth Jan 2017 OP
A dangerous document such as this and the WH denies knowledge of it?? Some one better riversedge Jan 2017 #1
Has anyone checked it for Erik Prince's fingerprints? tanyev Jan 2017 #2
Good call: he'd torture them in the name of GAWD and Geeus! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #10
I'm thinking Flynn. Laurian Jan 2017 #14
that's a fair bet. nt GliderGuider Jan 2017 #18
Nice. LudwigPastorius Jan 2017 #20
Government by the criminally insane. Sounds like they all should be extraordinarily renditioned Augiedog Jan 2017 #3
Putin probably wrote it and emailed it to Don the Hitler. olddad56 Jan 2017 #4
He left it on the nightstand Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #42
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #5
Please revise your post so that it requries a click to see the GIF Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #25
Trump draft order could lead to new CIA-run black site riversedge Jan 2017 #6
I thought Bannon was writing all the Executive Orders sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #38
If it's from his administration, it is from the White House. keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #7
Considering that Trump gave an interview they have been plugging with an excerpt of Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #24
Yes, Trump and his followers are that sick. Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #8
If those two lackeys DK504 Jan 2017 #9
They are concerned now because it is public, old guy Jan 2017 #16
He's BEGGING for another terrorist attack on the US Glitterati Jan 2017 #11
Don't be shocked if his admin stages one in the near future. nt bathroommonkey76 Jan 2017 #15
Sadly, it won't be upon the one most Ilsa Jan 2017 #36
tRump is an equal opportunity destruction machine; will destroy his appointees too. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2017 #12
Wasn't me. These guys are blatant liars JDC Jan 2017 #13
Keep in mind... OilemFirchen Jan 2017 #17
+1 dalton99a Jan 2017 #19
What's this "some consider (enhanced interrogation to be) torture" crap? It IS torture! Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #21
The hand of evil Bannon is behind almost all of the racist and fascist actions of figurehead Trump. Fred Sanders Jan 2017 #22
Agree orangecrush Jan 2017 #27
Yep. Bannon my first thought, too. nt Sunny05 Jan 2017 #29
Quacks like a duck. byronius Jan 2017 #30
agree it's Bannon flying_wahini Jan 2017 #41
They'll get out front now and fall in line later, as usual. bluedigger Jan 2017 #23
Section 4, 25th Amendment orangecrush Jan 2017 #26
As I figured, the law and the Constitution don't matter FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #32
Trump is deranged gwheezie Jan 2017 #28
Politico gets it so wrong. lark Jan 2017 #31
Which places our military in the ME in more danger. nt Ilsa Jan 2017 #37
jeez Skittles Jan 2017 #33
They had no idea Trump wanted to bring back torture. dalton99a Jan 2017 #34
everything about the guy screams PSYCHO NUTCASE Skittles Jan 2017 #35
Even though he said he adored waterboarding during the campaign jmowreader Jan 2017 #39
I'd be willing to bet that evil scumbag bannon*... Raster Jan 2017 #40

riversedge

(69,709 posts)
1. A dangerous document such as this and the WH denies knowledge of it?? Some one better
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:42 PM
Jan 2017

find out where it came from pronto!! I heard Spicer deny that it came from the WH during the presser today!

LudwigPastorius

(8,943 posts)
20. Nice.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:30 PM
Jan 2017

His Sis probably dropped it on Trump's desk while she was there being interviewed for the SecEdu job.

Augiedog

(2,541 posts)
3. Government by the criminally insane. Sounds like they all should be extraordinarily renditioned
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:44 PM
Jan 2017

Perhaps to Mars. Or a black hole.

Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
25. Please revise your post so that it requries a click to see the GIF
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jan 2017

and put a warning on it.

My brother came within 36 hours of execution by electrocution Even if I did not have the personal connection, I have been an opponent of the death penalty for far longer. I have read descriptions and seen images of the trauma sending thousands of volts of electricity through a human being does, both to the the individual being tortured to death and their loved ones watching (as I would have done for my brother). It is not something I can easily tolerate casually scrolling across without warning.

I am shaking as I write this, and had to scroll it off the page to respond.

riversedge

(69,709 posts)
6. Trump draft order could lead to new CIA-run black site
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jan 2017

AP calls it a Trump draft--but Sean Spicer says it is not a WH document. umm... fishy.




Trump draft order could lead to new CIA-run black site



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-order-terror-interrogations/

BY Desmond Butler and Bradley Klapper,

Associated Press January 25, 2017 at 11:13 AM EST | Updated: Jan 25, 2017 at 1:47 PM




WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is readying a sweeping review of how America conducts the war on terror, including possible resumption of banned interrogation methods and reopening CIA-run “black site” prisons outside the United States, according to a draft executive order obtained by The Associated Press.

The order would also instruct the Pentagon to send newly captured “enemy combatants” to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, instead of closing the detention facility as President Barack Obama had wanted. Altogether, the possible changes could mark a dramatic return to how the Bush administration waged its campaign against al-Qaida and other extremist groups.

Trump spokesman Sean Spicer, questioned about the draft order, said it was “not a White House document,” but he would say no more about it.

The three-page document instructs top national security officers to “recommend to the president whether to reinitiate a program of interrogation of high-value alien terrorists to be operated outside the United States and whether such program should include the use of detention facilities operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.”

The document says U.S. laws should be obeyed at all times and explicitly rejects “torture.”

But its reconsideration of the harsh techniques banned by Obama and Congress is sure to inflame passions in the United States and abroad. .....................

keithbvadu2

(36,360 posts)
7. If it's from his administration, it is from the White House.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jan 2017

If it's from his administration, it is from the White House.

He can try to deny it bit it is part of leadership.

It belongs to Trump.

If it comes down to actually being signed, will Mattis and Pompeo follow it or refuse?

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
24. Considering that Trump gave an interview they have been plugging with an excerpt of
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 09:45 PM
Jan 2017

Trump saying torture works, my guess is it came from his administration and they forgot to tell their press flunky Spicer!

Blue Idaho

(4,987 posts)
8. Yes, Trump and his followers are that sick.
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:49 PM
Jan 2017

Little Paul Ryan is trying to pretend it's not "Trump's" Administration that wrote the memo but it exists and I'm sure it gives that baby in the White House a major hard-on thinking about how tuff he is when others have to do the torturing.

old guy

(3,281 posts)
16. They are concerned now because it is public,
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:04 PM
Jan 2017

6 months from now late on a Friday night, no so much.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
11. He's BEGGING for another terrorist attack on the US
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 07:54 PM
Jan 2017

on US soil.

Begging for it. Probably DREAMS of it.

Why the hell ELSE would they telegraph this shit?

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
17. Keep in mind...
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:11 PM
Jan 2017
Everything that Sean Spicer says is a lie.

Proof, then, that this draft came from the White House.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
21. What's this "some consider (enhanced interrogation to be) torture" crap? It IS torture!
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 08:44 PM
Jan 2017

Politico ought to be sent to the woodshed for this (just kidding, but..). People have been executed for waterboarding. Torture is a crime and a war crime. It's in the Geneva Conventions, which, if anyone's paying attention, is also the law WITHIN the US. Don't think so? Check the Constitution-- that little clause about treaties.

So, editors of Politico, grow a spine and report a fact.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
32. As I figured, the law and the Constitution don't matter
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jan 2017

No one will enforce any of it.

Without enforcement, it really is "just a piece of paper" as Dubya said.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. Trump is deranged
Wed Jan 25, 2017, 10:54 PM
Jan 2017

I honestly think Trump believes he can waterboard someone he doesn't like personally, he dreams of it, he imagines all kinds of scenarios where he makes a call & yells, bring him to me.

lark

(23,001 posts)
31. Politico gets it so wrong.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jan 2017

Waterboarding is a know method of torture, we have sent people to jail for doing this in the past. This wasn't just "now outlawed", it was always outlawed. Shrub admin. just tried to do this secretly and got caught red handed. They broke the law and got their wrists slapped, so now Hair Furor thinks he can do it with impunity. That's probably not all, he's said he wants to turn ISIS' tactics against them, so presumably wants to behead people. He also wants to go after all their family members, he's a rogue criminal and cares nothing about the law, ethics, fairness or anything in the world other than his own power and $$.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
33. jeez
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 08:28 PM
Jan 2017

they agree to work for DONALD FUCKING TRUMP and then are stunned to find out the man is a SICKO?

HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE

Raster

(20,996 posts)
40. I'd be willing to bet that evil scumbag bannon*...
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:51 AM
Jan 2017

...is behind trump*'s new "interest" in torture. WAR CRIMES ANYONE?

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