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Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:46 PM

 

Elizabeth Warren defends support for Ben Carson's HUD secretary confirmation

Source: MassLive

The Massachusetts Democrat, who grilled Carson throughout his confirmation hearing before the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs earlier this month, said although she still has "serious, deep, profound concerns" about Carson's lack of experience, she's hopeful he'll make good on a series of commitments.

Stressing that Senate Democrats need to "turn up the heat" on a lot of Trump's other cabinet picks -- particularly Education Secretary nominee Betsy DeVos -- Warren added that she will won't hesitate to speak out against Carson if he fails to keep his promises.

"Dr. Carson's answers weren't perfect. But at his hearing, he committed to track and report on conflicts of interest at the agency. In his written responses to me, he made good, detailed promises on everything from protecting anti-homelessness programs to enforcing fair housing laws. Promises that - if they're honored - would help a lot of working families," she wrote in a Wednesday Facebook post.

"Can we count on Dr. Carson to keep those promises? I don't know," the senator continued. "People are right to be skeptical; I am. But a man who makes written promises gives us a toehold on accountability ... If Dr. Carson doesn't follow through on his commitments, I will be the very first person he hears from - loudly and clearly and frequently."

Read more: http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/01/elizabeth_warren_defends_suppo.html

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Reply Elizabeth Warren defends support for Ben Carson's HUD secretary confirmation (Original post)
SecularMotion Jan 2017 OP
Cryptoad Jan 2017 #1
brush Jan 2017 #8
JackRiddler Jan 2017 #25
LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #12
Cryptoad Jan 2017 #16
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #20
Cryptoad Jan 2017 #22
TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #23
pangaia Jan 2017 #30
Solomon Jan 2017 #42
JackRiddler Jan 2017 #28
HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #31
hollowdweller Jan 2017 #2
Jose Garcia Jan 2017 #3
yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #4
pangaia Jan 2017 #32
yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #37
jodymarie aimee Jan 2017 #10
mahannah Jan 2017 #5
Post removed Jan 2017 #6
bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #7
pnwmom Jan 2017 #9
Generator Jan 2017 #11
pnwmom Jan 2017 #15
Skittles Jan 2017 #13
elmac Jan 2017 #14
Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2017 #17
SharonClark Jan 2017 #26
JackRiddler Jan 2017 #29
elmac Jan 2017 #18
Eyeball_Kid Jan 2017 #19
Bayard Jan 2017 #21
Post removed Jan 2017 #24
Quackers Jan 2017 #33
MindPilot Jan 2017 #34
TomCADem Jan 2017 #27
MindPilot Jan 2017 #35
TomCADem Jan 2017 #38
Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #36
Bradical79 Jan 2017 #39
sarcasmo Jan 2017 #40
old guy Jan 2017 #41

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:56 PM

1. I now have,,,

"serious, deep, profound concerns" abt Warren.
Obstuct, Obstruct, Obstruct, anything less is losing.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:49 PM

8. Careful. I just got a hide for criticizing Feinstein for saying she was leaning towards Sessions...

for AG.

What's with the caving, always the caving?

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Response to brush (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:22 PM

25. Welcome back to the Bush years, except...

 

collaborating with something even worse (as if that could have been conceived!).

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:22 PM

12. there's a danger in just obstructing every appointment en mass

Or spending too much time on Carson. She is picking her battles. There are many many more important positions and more extremist people he is appointing we have to focus on. Carson is unlikely to stay awake long enough to do much damage at least in the immediate sense.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:58 PM

16. Its not abt Ben Carson

If we dont give the GOP the very same dosage of Obstruction they gave Obama for the last 8yrs, we are backing up. no matter who or what it is....!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:52 PM

20. The obstruction of the GOP is why Congress' approval rating is so low.

They lost seats in the House and the Senate. If we just play a vindictive obstruction game just for the sake of being equivalent assholes, we could end up losing the small gains we made.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 04:12 PM

22. Well,,,,,

Rating or not,,,,,, GOP won full control......
If we dont obstruct we will continue to win battles while losing the war

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 04:24 PM

23. I think our best bet is to choose our battles carefully

We have the opportunity to be "the sensible ones". With Trump's low approval rating, I think that could be to our benefit.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:27 PM

30. "If we just play a vindictive obstruction game just for the sake of being equivalent assholes, .."

it is not being at all vindictive. That is what they do. We would be doing it because it is the right thing to do. Ben Carson is a fucking moron.

Same with 'being equivalent assholes.." ...THEY are the assholes,,,




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Response to pangaia (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:49 PM

42. Excellent point.

Well made. Thank you. I'm sick to death of false equivalencies.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:26 PM

28. "Obstruction" is a thoroughly misleading term.

 

She could have voted against. That is not obstruction.

She had that choice regardless of obstruction or non-obstruction in the actual procedural path. No matter what otherwise, she was given a choice: Yes or no?

And personal cliches about Carson don't cut it as excuses. He doesn't need to stay awake! He hires staff, they write directives, he signs them. Public housing privatized and defunded, more draconian rules imposed on its residents, etc. Get real, please.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:30 PM

31. Carson is unlikely to stay awake long enough to do much damage at least in the immediate sense.

 

OMG 😅

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:59 PM

2. I think giving him what he wants will bring him down.

 

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Response to hollowdweller (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:03 PM

3. Perhaps. But how many poor people who rely of HUD will suffer as a result?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:09 PM

4. We're all going to suffer. Did you hear the entire state department resigned?

 

We're fucked!!!!!

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:32 PM

32. we are not ALL going to suffer. That's just it.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:04 PM

37. You don't think if we get nuked we're not all screwed?

 

Yes we will be. Even if one goes to western United States, the aftershock will be horrible for every state.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:15 PM

10. all 73 of the tenants in my elderly/disabled bldg

 

that's who.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:10 PM

5. "She's hopeful"?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:30 PM

7. She read the Mass polls this week on the 2018 Senate Race

She's ok on Ben Carson. He's among the better educated and saner
of the bunch, if he can stick to his knitting

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:50 PM

9. Yes, and she should. It's sadly funny to see DUers turn on Elizabeth.

I said all along that this would have happened if she had somehow won the nomination, and I was right. Some people only loved her as a foil for Hillary.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:19 PM

11. I'm usually burn them at the stake

 

But I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't understand why her poll numbers are low in MA. What is happening to America? She is the best of the best. I'm gonna watch her next move on Trump minions though.

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Response to Generator (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:26 PM

15. MA is not as solidly liberal as people think -- they have a Rethug Governor

and they also elected Romney.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:23 PM

13. LOLOL

she is such a PEACH

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 02:26 PM

14. Don't think its a smart move

 

to normalize any of tRumps idiots can be seen as "giving in". I bet her constituents are giving her hell.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:13 PM

17. Come on, its not "obstructing" when the majority can do whatever the heck they want regardless

of how the Dems vote. Think of it as a quiet, stoic "refusal to normalize."

That's what Im gonna tell my blue senator and my blue rep. jeez what are people afraid of by just saying "no"??? That the repubs will think poorly of them and call them names like sore loser? Puh lease.

If ever a time cried out for strong leadership, just standing like a rock in the face of impending facism.... now is that time. Really its kind of golden opportunity.

Jeez lady - put your Rosa Parks hat on or something. Jimmy Stewart as Mr. Smith would work too.

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:22 PM

26. Agree 100%

Voting for an addlepated, incompetent, and unqualified Carson will not help her one iota in the general election. It will hurt many people who need a functioning government.

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:27 PM

29. It's just a vote, right?

 

"Obstruction" relates to procedural blocks.

The vote is going to happen regardless.

The vote gives her one binary choice: Yes or no?

She made the wrong choice here.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:14 PM

18. And we must remember

 

that the fascists blocked every one of Obama's nominees. The Dems had to fight tooth & nail plus change the rules when they had majority just to get the nominees appointed. Why should the Dems be helping theses fascist pigs. BIG MISTAKE!

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 03:21 PM

19. If Warren's concerns are "serious, deep, and profound",

then what are Carson's extraordinary talents and skills that outweigh these concerns?

Oh. He made vague promises. Warren has a "toe-hold" on accountability???

Sounds like Warren is making excuses for not going to the mat on Carson's confirmation.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 04:02 PM

21. Aww, come on Liz!

By the time he's in there, it will be too late. You can voice your concerns all you want then, and get diddly squat.

Obstruction is one of the only weapons we have right now.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:33 PM

33. Did you forget what website you're on? nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:40 PM

34. There has got to be a lot of powder that is still dry from the Bush years.

 

Millions of people in the streets all over the world protesting the Iraq war, but most of the Dems just went along with the Rs. Even when the Dems had a majority, they still refused to oppose the rethugs.

Call or write to your Dem rep and the only response you'll get is more pleading for money.

Now they just sit around looking at each other hunting for a scapegoat for their loss.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:23 PM

27. Expect Russia Today "Progressives" to Say EW Sold Out...

...because that is what they do.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:47 PM

35. Well she kind of did.

 

Warren is now a Trump appeaser. At some point the party that tossed progressives and liberals out is going to have to own this.

Dems cave. It's what they do.

But if you want to save 15% on car insurance...

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Response to MindPilot (Reply #35)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:10 PM

38. Yup, if She's The Nominee, Expect Lock Her Up Chants...

...from the "left" at the DNC. Hey, maybe Susan Sarandon will say she would be worse than Trump.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 05:58 PM

36. I dream of a day when the Democratic Party

Votes in the interest of the poor, the sick, and the elderly instead of going along to get along. These votes should be based on the principles of the party and the values we hold dear. In that view - "no" votes are not a waste of time but instead an important signal that Democrats will stand up for their principles and give a voice to the voiceless.

I don't give one flying fuck about Senatorial collegiality.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:14 PM

39. My feelings are mixed

 

On one hand he's not qualified for the position at all.

On the other, he is already garaunteed to be confirmed because of the math. At least she traded her vote for getting him to put a lot of the right answers in writing. That may be useful down the road.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 06:35 PM

40. Carson confirmed means 100% will be confirmed.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Jan 26, 2017, 07:14 PM

41. IMO it is a mistake but my opinion counts for nothing.

I voted for HRC and that turned out to be for nothing so I'm 2 for 2. The more we lose the easier it will get and I'm a Dem living in Wi. so I know what it means to lose consistently.

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