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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:42 PM Jan 2017

Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trumps travel ban: ACLU

Last edited Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:18 PM - Edit history (3)

Source: NY Post

The ACLU is getting multiple reports that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judges demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nations airports.

The courts order could not be clearer they need to comply with the order, Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLUs Immigrants Rights project, told The Post late Saturday.


Read more: http://nypost.com/2017/01/29/customs-agents-ignore-judge-enforce-trumps-travel-ban-aclu/



The White House is apparently going to defy the judge's order:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/2-iraqis-file-lawsuit-after-being-detained-in-ny-due-to-travel-ban/


"Saturday's ruling does not undercut the President's executive order. All stopped visas will remain stopped. All halted admissions will remain halted. All restricted travel will remain prohibited. The executive order is a vital action toward strengthening America's borders, and therefore sovereignty. The order remains in place," the spokesperson said.
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Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trumps travel ban: ACLU (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2017 OP
While I can certainly believe BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #1
Do not wonder how this can be happening.. pangaia Jan 2017 #2
They will do what they did to OWS. And then how long before declaring martial law as the fascist RKP5637 Jan 2017 #3
And Chicago Democratic Convention PatSeg Jan 2017 #11
Because DHS has issued a release SoCalNative Jan 2017 #4
The DHS statement says they'll comply with judicial orders. pnwmom Jan 2017 #5
Not according to the first paragraph SoCalNative Jan 2017 #6
The courts' orders ban deportations. They say nothing about detentions or releasing anyone progree Jan 2017 #8
They are quoting the ACLU and in a way that doesn't flatter DT. pnwmom Jan 2017 #9
NY Post is celebrating the supposed defiance of the administration / DHS progree Jan 2017 #15
Did you see this? pnwmom Jan 2017 #18
Actually, ruling by other judge specificially does reference detention SoCalNative Jan 2017 #10
Thanks for the great update! That one lays down the gauntlet for sure! n/t progree Jan 2017 #17
And actually it says SoCalNative Jan 2017 #7
Bizarre response PatSeg Jan 2017 #12
That, is certainly a politically correct 50/50 weaseled response. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2017 #14
Buckle up, kids! 2naSalit Jan 2017 #13
Lyin' Ryan & McTurtle Watch Time! not fooled Jan 2017 #16
Many of us have known and been pointing this out for 2naSalit Jan 2017 #22
Can't they be held in contempt? Where are the marshals to compel enforcement of the stay? Tatiana Jan 2017 #19
Arrest them and lock them up for contempt of court NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #20
They can defy the law without impunity it seems triron Jan 2017 #21
Major Robert Anderson, move your garrison from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter (n/t) Kennah Jan 2017 #23
It's a big fuck you to the courts. They need to listen and believe what they're hearing. Solly Mack Jan 2017 #24

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
1. While I can certainly believe
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:44 PM
Jan 2017

that some are not following the order, I never believe the NY Post's version of anything.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. Do not wonder how this can be happening..
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jan 2017

It is no surprise..
Now you know what is REALLY going on,

I saw that last night before I went to bed... very shortly after the lawyers obtained the stay.

Next is police pushing back on demonstrators, who are already being called rioters, heads get wacked, arrests,,... then........ martial law... then..............

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
3. They will do what they did to OWS. And then how long before declaring martial law as the fascist
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jan 2017

state is fully implemented under the new regime.

PatSeg

(47,415 posts)
11. And Chicago Democratic Convention
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jan 2017

in 1968 and Mayor Daley's riot squads.

Meanwhile, on the streets of Chicago, several thousand anti-war protesters gathered to show their support for McCarthy and the U.S. withdrawal of troops from Vietnam. Chicago Mayor Richard Daley deployed 12,000 police officers and called in another 15,000 state and federal officers to contain the protesters. The situation then rapidly spiraled out of control, with the policemen severely beating and gassing the demonstrators, as well as newsmen and doctors who had come to help.


http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/protests-at-democratic-national-convention-in-chicago

That is all still fresh in my memory.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
5. The DHS statement says they'll comply with judicial orders.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jan 2017
The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; f

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
6. Not according to the first paragraph
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jan 2017

WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump’s Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

progree

(10,901 posts)
8. The courts' orders ban deportations. They say nothing about detentions or releasing anyone
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016175764

Of course if deportations are continuing, as the New York Post excerpt in the OP states, then they are violating the courts' orders.

On googling, I can't find anyone but the New York Post "reporting" this. As most DUers know, the New York Post is a Murdoch publication.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
9. They are quoting the ACLU and in a way that doesn't flatter DT.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jan 2017

So I think this is worth considering.

Also, it fits with the statement the DT administration has made today, which I just added to the OP.

progree

(10,901 posts)
15. NY Post is celebrating the supposed defiance of the administration / DHS
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:23 PM
Jan 2017

On New York Post -- they are celebrating the supposed defiance of the administration / DHS to the court orders, which all explicitely say stop the deportations (but say nothing about detentions). But I still haven't seen any confirmation that deportations have occurred since the first court order. I just googled and also checked the ACLU website. I googled that Omar Jadwat quote and found only the New York Post story and a story quoting the New York Post.

Also, it fits with the statement the DT administration has made today, which I just added to the OP
.

I don't see anything that counters those 3 judges's orders there -- I don't see anything in the administration statement about continuing deportations, which is all those 3 judges addressed.

However, I'm happy to be updated, though on the Massachusetts ruling that does address the detentions ...

Finally, petitioners filed a petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus and a Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive relief with the federal court overnight in Boston, Massachusetts. US District Judge Allison D. Burroughs and US Magistrate Judge Gail Dein found that the detention and removal of “the petitioners and others similarly situated would violate their rights to Due Process and Equal Protection as guaranteed by the United States Constitution,” and that should the detained individuals be removed from the US, they would likely “suffer irreparable harm.”

The judges ordered that the Department of Homeland Security would be required to limit “secondary screening to comply with the regulations and statutes in effect prior to the Executive Order,” were not permitted to “detain or remove” approved refugees, anyone who held a valid Visa, green card holders, and other individuals “who, absent the executive order, would be legally authorized to enter the United States.” The ruling stipulated that the United States Marshall of Massachusetts would be served with the order and required to enforce it, and that Border Patrol and Customs should notify airlines arriving at Boston’s Logan Airport of the order and that individuals on the flights would not be detained or deported. The judges noted that this ruling would remain in effect for seven days, with another hearing scheduled before then.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/29/14430082/four-federal-courts-ruled-trump-immigration-ban


Thanks SoCalNative in #10 for that.

Clearly, the majority of detentions violate that one.

It's hard to keep up to date!




SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
10. Actually, ruling by other judge specificially does reference detention
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jan 2017

Early Sunday morning, a federal court in Massachusetts also issued a temporary restraining order, blocking part of the executive order in a case brought by lawyers for two lawful permanent residents who are college professors. That order, issued by United States District Court Judge Allison D. Burroughs, also an Obama appointee, went a step further ordering that the government could not "detain or remove" individuals who had arrived legally from the countries subject to Trump's order: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

Burroughs said that her order applied to the petitioners in the case as well as those similarly situated including lawful permanent residents, citizens, visa-holders, approved refugees, and other individuals from nations who are subject to the January 27, 2017, executive order. The order was also signed by United States Magistrate Judge Gail Dein. The judges specified that the order would remain in effect for seven days while the court scheduled a hearing.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/2-iraqis-file-lawsuit-after-being-detained-in-ny-due-to-travel-ban/

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
7. And actually it says
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jan 2017

"The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; faithfully enforce our immigration laws, and implement President Trump’s Executive Orders to ensure that those entering the United States do not pose a threat to our country or the American people."

So, basically talking out of both sides of their mouths.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
16. Lyin' Ryan & McTurtle Watch Time!
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:24 PM
Jan 2017

All this chaos...all this uproar...perfect cover for their insidious actions to wreck the Federal Government and steal earned benefits...watch the bills roll in.



2naSalit

(86,569 posts)
22. Many of us have known and been pointing this out for
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:54 PM
Jan 2017

years. We have now arrived at that point where the Rs have achieved much of their objective to take over. They are in phase 2 of 3 already, we need to step up and defeat them.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
19. Can't they be held in contempt? Where are the marshals to compel enforcement of the stay?
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:31 PM
Jan 2017

This is ridiculous. These fascists...

triron

(21,999 posts)
21. They can defy the law without impunity it seems
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:35 PM
Jan 2017

wtf Trump et al already committed treason to get into power without consequence.

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