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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:07 PM Jan 2017

Spicer: Diplomats Should Either Back Immigration Order Or Leave

Source: Talking Points Memo

By CAITLIN MACNEAL Published JANUARY 30, 2017, 3:00 PM EDT

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Monday afternoon responded to reports that a group of U.S. diplomats were [link:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-us-diplomats-filing-dissent-immigration-ban/story?id45135038drafting a memo] to condemn President Donald Trump's executive order denying entry to people from seven predominantly Muslim countries.

Spicer said that the career State Department employees should either fall in line behind Trump and his executive order or leave the agency.

"I think that they should get with the program or they can go," Spicer said at the daily press briefing, referring to State Department staff who "have a problem" banning people from the seven countries.

Spicer defended the executive order, insisting that it was about safety and arguing that the order "has been blown way out of proportion and exaggerated."

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/spicer-state-department-memo-opposition



Spicer Melts Down: Criticizing Holocaust Remembrance Statement Is 'Pathetic'

By ESME CRIBB Published JANUARY 30, 2017, 2:46 PM EDT

White House press secretary Sean Spicer went on a tear Monday about criticism of the Trump administration's statement commemorating International Holocaust Memorial Day, saying that those "picking on" the statement's failure to explicitly mention Jews are "pathetic" and "nitpicking."

"The statement was written with the help of an individual who's both Jewish and the descendent of Holocaust survivors," Spicer told reporters at a White House daily briefing. "To suggest that remembering the Holocaust and acknowledging all of the people, Jewish, Gypsies, priests, disabled, gays and lesbians, it is pathetic that people are picking on a statement."

He cited an Republican National Committee statement issued at Christmas that reporters similarly seized upon.

"I remember we issued a statement at Christmastime calling Christ the king and many reporters that are in this room and otherwise started wondering if we were referring to the king as the President-elect," Spicer said, his voice rising in volume. "Do you know how offensive that was to Christians?"



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Spicer: Diplomats Should Either Back Immigration Order Or Leave (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2017 OP
Everyone has a right to their own opinion!!! TranssexualKaren Jan 2017 #1
Well, diplomats are notoriously uh... well... undiplomatic OKIsItJustMe Jan 2017 #19
RESIST bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #2
I don't believe this!!! atreides1 Jan 2017 #3
of course he provided no name...just take my word for it Angry Dragon Jan 2017 #7
That's a reference to Jared, Trump's son-in-law. onenote Jan 2017 #10
That would be Trump's son-in-law wouldn't it? nt chowder66 Jan 2017 #12
Racists and bigots when confronted uniformly become very defensive, am I right, Spicer? Fred Sanders Jan 2017 #4
Contrast this to John Kerry meeting at the State Department with the people who dissented karynnj Jan 2017 #5
Fuck Spicer from my late grandmother who lost 10 brothers and sisters in WWII. zonkers Jan 2017 #6
Name PLEASE of said individual benld74 Jan 2017 #8
It's Jared. They didn't want to say his name, but its him. onenote Jan 2017 #13
Steve Miller is Jewish as well. Don't know if he's descended from Holocaust survivors, though. Demit Jan 2017 #16
JaredKusher Grimelle Jan 2017 #21
The dissent channel process has been in place for more than 40 years and users are protected onenote Jan 2017 #9
No doubt.. Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #11
Contrast Spicer's comment about the dissent channel memo with Josh Earnest's: onenote Jan 2017 #14
Whining from the man in his daddy's suit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #15
Trump cannot handle dissent. C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #17
AP: White House, US diplomats clash over travel order OKIsItJustMe Jan 2017 #18
I guess that tells us why the sr. leadership at State suddenly resigned. tanyev Jan 2017 #20
See what bullies and assholes Trump and his minions are. "If you don't like it, leave it." raccoon Jan 2017 #22
Trump: My way or the highway. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2017 #23

TranssexualKaren

(364 posts)
1. Everyone has a right to their own opinion!!!
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:13 PM
Jan 2017

Just because you have entered government service shouldn't mean you have lost the right to speak out on the issues.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,937 posts)
19. Well, diplomats are notoriously uh... well... undiplomatic
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 07:12 PM
Jan 2017

Seriously, trying to make a career diplomat seem unreasonable is perverse.

Can they really afford to lose more people at the State Department?

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
2. RESIST
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:13 PM
Jan 2017

It's what any Americans who don't support the shakedown are doing

Support all who RESIST, peacefully and enthusiastically

atreides1

(16,066 posts)
3. I don't believe this!!!
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:14 PM
Jan 2017

"The statement was written with the help of an individual who's both Jewish and the descendent of Holocaust survivors,"




But this is Baghdad Sean, and he's all about alternative facts....

onenote

(42,581 posts)
10. That's a reference to Jared, Trump's son-in-law.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:27 PM
Jan 2017

Whose paternal grandparents were Holocaust survivors. Interesting that they wouldn't say it was Jared.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Racists and bigots when confronted uniformly become very defensive, am I right, Spicer?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:14 PM
Jan 2017

Kushner on the team will not help when the attacks turn from Muslims and Mexicans to Jews.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
5. Contrast this to John Kerry meeting at the State Department with the people who dissented
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:15 PM
Jan 2017

with the Syria policy, politely telling them that there was no international law that would support what they were asking for.

benld74

(9,901 posts)
8. Name PLEASE of said individual
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:21 PM
Jan 2017

who's both Jewish and the descendent of Holocaust survivors,


DONT they ask ????? in these events?

OR do they LIKE geting raked over THEIR coals for NOTHING!!!

STAND UP for chrise sake!!!!!!

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
16. Steve Miller is Jewish as well. Don't know if he's descended from Holocaust survivors, though.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jan 2017

onenote

(42,581 posts)
9. The dissent channel process has been in place for more than 40 years and users are protected
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:23 PM
Jan 2017

from reprisals.

Per the Foreign Affairs Manual:

a. You may use the Dissent Channel without fear of pressure or penalty. Discouragement of, or penalties for use of, the Dissent Channel are impermissible. Dissent Channel users who believe that they have been pressured or penalized for their use of the Dissent Channel, that negative comments have been made in their evaluation reports because of their use of the Dissent Channel, that the transmission of their Dissent Channel message has been deliberately delayed or prevented, that the existence of their Dissent Channel messages has been divulged to unauthorized personnel, or that the protection of their Dissent Channel message has been jeopardized by improper treatment, should make a report to the Inspector Generals Office via the OIG Channel, with copies to the Director of S/P. S/P will inform the Under Secretary for Management when such reports are received.

b. The Director of S/P and OIG will consult about any such allegations, and, if warranted, OIG will investigate and recommend action to the senior officers of the Department or appropriate agency (e.g., USAID). Officers or employees found to have engaged in acts of reprisal or retaliation against Dissent Channel users, or who have improperly divulged the use of the channel by discussing the content or identifying the user to unauthorized personnel, will be subject to disciplinary action, which may include administrative (such as a letter of reprimand, suspension, or termination), civil and, in rare cases, criminal penalties.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
11. No doubt..
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:27 PM
Jan 2017

The Trump administration did not know about this, nor does it care. As they have shown over the last week and a half, they don't care what were the prior rules, they will do what they want.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
14. Contrast Spicer's comment about the dissent channel memo with Josh Earnest's:
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 05:17 PM
Jan 2017

In June, reports surfaced that a State Department dissent channel memo critical of President Obama's Syria policy was circulating. When asked about it during the daily press briefing, this is how Earnest responded: "the President approves of this well-established process at the State Department. There should be an opportunity for people who do have a dissent to register to do so. And that's a healthy part of the process. And, look, the President has long acknowledged how difficult the situation in Syria is, and so the President would certainly welcome new ideas that are put forward for confronting it."

Day, meet night.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,937 posts)
18. AP: White House, US diplomats clash over travel order
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jan 2017
https://apnews.com/386a51f317fa4df1844e17459818b6a9/White-House,-US-diplomats-clash-over-travel-order
[font size=5]White House, US diplomats clash over travel order[/font]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House clashed Monday with a large group of American diplomats who are voicing dissent with Donald Trump's temporary travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim majority countries, challenging them to resign if they aren't on board.

"They should either get with the program or they can go," Sean Spicer, Trump's press secretary, said.

In startling language, Spicer dismissed the criticism from what he called "career bureaucrats." While he later said Trump appreciates the work of public servants, Spicer said they should respect the desires of the American people and the importance Trump places on protecting the country.

"If somebody has a problem with that agenda, that does call into question whether they should continue in that post or not," Spicer said.

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
22. See what bullies and assholes Trump and his minions are. "If you don't like it, leave it."
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 11:22 AM
Jan 2017

They're like, if you don't agree with them, you're the problem.

God, they chap my arse.

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