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Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:25 PM

 

Trump's disastrous first military strike had previously been rejected by Obama

Source: The Week

Saturday's Navy SEAL raid in Yemen which resulted in the death of an 8-year-old American girl had previously been rejected by former President Barack Obama, The Guardian reports. President Donald Trump approved of the raid in his first military strike as commander-in-chief:

[Colonel John] Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a "pocket veto" over it.

A former official said the operation had been reviewed several times, but the underlying intelligence was not judged strong enough to justify the risks, and the case was left to the incoming Trump administration to make its own judgment. [The Guardian]

Yemeni officials say at least 10 women and children were also killed, including the 8-year-old daughter of U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki, a senior leader of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula who was himself slain a 2011 drone strike. Read more about how things went wrong here. Jeva Lange

Read more: http://theweek.com/speedreads/677442/trumps-disastrous-first-military-strike-previously-been-rejected-by-obama



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Reply Trump's disastrous first military strike had previously been rejected by Obama (Original post)
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 OP
C_U_L8R Feb 2017 #1
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #6
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #39
Coventina Feb 2017 #2
wordpix Feb 2017 #21
Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #51
wordpix Feb 2017 #59
Achilleaze Feb 2017 #3
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #4
wordpix Feb 2017 #17
liquid diamond Feb 2017 #65
keithbvadu2 Feb 2017 #5
dhill926 Feb 2017 #7
wordpix Feb 2017 #18
Stonepounder Feb 2017 #8
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #9
bigbrother05 Feb 2017 #42
Dopers_Greed Feb 2017 #10
Solly Mack Feb 2017 #11
hibbing Feb 2017 #14
Solly Mack Feb 2017 #15
wordpix Feb 2017 #19
Solly Mack Feb 2017 #20
wordpix Feb 2017 #22
DesertRat Feb 2017 #12
Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #54
Doitnow Feb 2017 #13
wordpix Feb 2017 #23
Cha Feb 2017 #16
wordpix Feb 2017 #24
Cha Feb 2017 #25
TomCADem Feb 2017 #26
JayhawkSD Feb 2017 #27
KittyWampus Feb 2017 #29
JayhawkSD Feb 2017 #41
TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2017 #43
JayhawkSD Feb 2017 #44
TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2017 #47
LanternWaste Feb 2017 #57
Hortensis Feb 2017 #48
Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #55
yankeepants Feb 2017 #28
ProudProgressiveNow Feb 2017 #30
yardwork Feb 2017 #31
wordpix Feb 2017 #60
AllaN01Bear Feb 2017 #32
cstanleytech Feb 2017 #33
JayhawkSD Feb 2017 #45
ck4829 Feb 2017 #50
exboyfil Feb 2017 #52
Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #56
LanternWaste Feb 2017 #58
Cryptoad Feb 2017 #34
chelsea0011 Feb 2017 #35
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #37
exboyfil Feb 2017 #53
Sunlei Feb 2017 #36
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #38
Sunlei Feb 2017 #40
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #63
wordpix Feb 2017 #61
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #62
SunSeeker Feb 2017 #46
ck4829 Feb 2017 #49
nikibatts Feb 2017 #64

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:27 PM

1. SEALs may not be flying Trump flags for long.

What a lousy Commander in Chief.... the guy has no clue
and people will die because of his vanity.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:37 PM

6. yeah-- I saw on twitter that Trump actually said the dead Seal's wife name publicly

 

which is a no-no

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:53 AM

39. also supposedly Trump did a photo-op with the casket

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:28 PM

2. The idiot thinks he cannot fail. Didn't he say he was so much smarter than Obama?

Hey Trump!
Have you ended ISIS yet?

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Response to Coventina (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:59 AM

21. "Hey Trump! Have you ended ISIS yet?" LOLOL thanks for

the gallows humor

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Response to Coventina (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 11:58 AM

51. Trumpy uses his own definition of success, which is...

ANYTHING he does is a SUCCESS! It's an airtight illustration of circular reasoning. He can't do anything wrong, because by his own definition, he does nothing wrong!

This is the world he lives in. Unfortunately, it's also become our world.

We're in deep shit.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:43 PM

59. & yet, he's reported to be pacing alone in the WH

probably mumbling to self.

shades of tricky Dick Nixon

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:28 PM

3. The Republican draft Dodger screws it up

What a loser. Sad.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:30 PM

4. On record saying he's smarter than the Generals & sexual disease was his "personal Vietnam". nt

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:48 AM

17. but...he went to military school and has more knowledge than the pros

anyone who believes what comes out of Twittler's mouth at this point is a total stooge who needs to go back to clown school

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:13 PM

65. Sounds like one of his tweets. Well played.

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:32 PM

5. But Trump said he knows more than the generals.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:43 PM

7. the silence is deafening about this...

can you even imagine if this cockup occurred under Obama. It would be a non stop shitstorm...

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:50 AM

18. Impeach the dummy NOW, it will only get worse, he's flexing his muscles

mmm, I've got jet fighters, army, every branch of US Armed Forces at my little fingertips.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:43 PM

8. And remember, he suggested going after terrorists' families. Guess he meant it.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:45 PM

9. oh wow, great point-- I forgot that

 

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:46 PM

42. Ties in with Kellyanne's comments about the 5 yo separated from his mom

During the immigrant snafu over the weekend a 5 yo boy was kept separated from his mom for hours and KaC commented that anyone that complained just didn't understand how to keep us safe (my paraphrase).

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:46 PM

10. Sad.

The first of many that this dumb piece of shit is going to get killed

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:47 PM

11. Chest thumping braggadocio does not a CinC make.

Trump thinks those awful Steven Seagal movies are documentaries.

No doubt thinks "Rambo" was based on a true story.

I can just hear him quoting "Red Dawn" in the war room.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:31 AM

14. and then he's scared of the "liberal media" n/t

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Response to hibbing (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:33 AM

15. I know! He'll probably blame the media for his disaster in Yemen.

Or Obama.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:56 AM

19. Wait til he takes over every invetigative branch of gov & media

IRS, FBI, CIA, DHS, DOJ, etc. So many lawsuits, so much work for Donald who'd rather be golfing but could end up disgraced if karma happens soon.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:57 AM

20. here's to karma

happening soonest

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:02 AM

22. if it happens like it's happening to Kissinger, it's only to let him know

history is trending to view him as villainous in Vietnam War debacle/ Nixon admin

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Wed Feb 1, 2017, 11:55 PM

12. God help us

It's only been 12 days.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:01 PM

54. God won't help. It's up to us.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:22 AM

13. Stupid people don't know they're stupid.

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Response to Doitnow (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:04 AM

23. no Trump is "smart" b/c he didn't pay taxes - lest we forget that

statement. He's made so many self-incriminating statements like that

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:43 AM

16. I would THINK that the Military is taking note of this and who they voted for.

I know not all did but I read the majority did..

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Response to Cha (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:05 AM

24. we need to fix our educational system NOW

without Betsy deVille

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Response to wordpix (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:08 AM

25. Be nice to get rid of the Brainwashing Centrals

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:08 AM

26. Trump Wanted To Have His Captain Phillips Moment and He Wanted It Now!

Of course, President Obama did not want a Captain Phillips moment. Shooting the Somali pirates was only authorized as a last resort if negotiations failed. I bet Trump was just hoping that a movie would be made featuring him making the call:



Perhaps Trump would have been able to play himself.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:49 AM

27. No. it was a "dark moon" issue.

 

Obama reviewed it but neither approved or disapproved it on principle or as to procedure. He did not sign off on it only because the military wanted to do it on a moonless night, and the next such night was not going to occur until after he was out of office.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:52 AM

29. Obama didn't sign off on it because it was too risky. There are multiple reports now.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 12:44 PM

41. Then whose fault was that?

 

I'm sure the military went to Trump and told him of the plan including, "there is not enough intelligence on this, Mr. President, and a great deal we don't know, and our planning is by no means complete. Because of all that it's extremely risky and will almost certainly get some soldiers killed, but we want you to give us the go ahead to jump off tomorrow night."

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:23 PM

43. If it was planned under Obama

and the military leaders deemed it too risky, why even discuss it with the orange leader? This whole story sounds weird, imo.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:38 AM

44. The military leaders did not consider it too risky.

 

That's why the story sounds weird. If the military had considered it too risky they would not have recommended it to one president, let alone two. The military is not saying now that it was too risky. Obama apologists and those who want to discredit Trump are saying it was too risky.

I do not support Trump. I despise the man. I also despise untruth.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 10:23 AM

47. Thanks. I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe

nt

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:26 PM

57. You appear to predicate your allegations of "Obama apologists" on a premise no one has made.

You appear to predicate your allegations of "Obama apologists" on a premise no one has made.

"Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a "pocket veto" over it..."


" I also despise untruth..."
Untruths appear not merely in lies, but also in a disingenuous misinterpretation of the sentiments and conclusions of others as well. I mention that as it seems you're wholly unaware of it.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 05:03 PM

48. Obama's last chance in office--it WAS mainly a moonlight issue.

No doubt over time the information about locations of the targets changed, literally day by day--they DO move constantly to avoid being killed, captured, protect their materials etc. However, reliable media report the military wanted a moonless night, and so Obama, America's "chief executioner" as he himself put it, had to leave office without okaying the mission.

Thanks to Jayhawk for posting responsible information.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:03 PM

55. Reportedly, that specific mission was never directly discussed with Obama.

Because of the risk factors, it never reached him personally for consideration.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 01:49 AM

28. Big little man thinks he's playing with toy soldiers.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:18 AM

30. #TRUMPGHAZI?

#TRUMPGHAZI

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:27 AM

31. Why aren't there hearings?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:44 PM

60. b/c this issue is not about EMAILS

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:34 AM

32. so, when are we going to have the endless hearings on this one ?

remember bengazzi which these slobs shoved that down our throats.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 02:58 AM

33. Of course the rightwing media and Trumps other supporters as few as there are

(I say few because the math doesnt lie and a women (Hillary Clinton) kicked his ass in the popular vote and pulled in almost 3 more million votes than he did) will be twisting more than the performers in a Cirque du Soleil show to either try make this out to be Obamas fault or try to twist this as a success.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 02:41 AM

45. It's not anyone's fault.

 

It is what happens in war. There might be some question about the idiot who made the decision to continue even after the advantage of surprise was lost, but otherwise it was simply the fog of war. It happens. War is not a movie titled "Seal Team Six" in which everything goes per the script, everyone is a dashing hero and everyone comes home safe.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 11:51 AM

50. It can become someone's fault

Especially if you are some fool trying to look tough and you get people killed.

Just because the powerful label something "war", it shouldn't absolve them of responsibilities.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 11:59 AM

52. The problem is we now have the Benghazi paradigm

where imperfect information is no longer an excuse. Also by the way lying about the results of the raid (actionable intelligence).

Under normal circumstances I would give the administration a break, but the new standard has been set.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:18 PM

56. One of the things that happen in "war" is that decision-makers can get

reckless and take risks that can increase the danger to military and civilians. Excusing Trumpy for reckless and high risk commands by claiming that the "fog of war" allows for chaos is backwards. Trumpy CONTRIBUTED to the Fog of War! He MADE it foggier, consciously and intentionally. He's not the victim here! He's the perpetrator!

Mattis and Kelly are fools. I don't care what their background and experience is. They reportedly encouraged Trumpy, probably between the mashed potatoes and the pork chops, to go ahead when they KNEW that a comprehensive assessment indicated that they plan more carefully. Did they READ why Obama's team didn't even talk directly to Obama about this specific mission? Certainly, Trumpy didn't read anything.

The president MUST be the smartest person in the room. He doesn't have a choice. Trumpy should have done extensive research BY HIMSELF about the mission so that his subordinates can't pull boners like this. But Trumpy DOESN'T READ!

So, why is it that Trumpy as candidate was described as someone who is "unfit" to be president? THIS IS WHY!

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:28 PM

58. Who besides yourself is making that premise?

"War is not a movie titled "Seal Team Six" in which everything goes per the script, everyone is a dashing hero and everyone comes home safe..."

Who besides yourself is making that premise? Or (and I find this more likely) you merely allege that particular sentiment as be held by others so you have something to argue against...

Seems disingenuous for little more than the sake of melodrama.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 03:33 AM

34. ah this is the kinda shit ur can expect,,,

when u know more than all teh Generals.......

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 06:49 AM

35. Spicer a short few hours after raid stated that the US had captured

information for more attacks. An absolute lie. There is no way that information would be available to him that quickly after the raid.

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Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:49 AM

37. everything Spicer says should be considered a lie

 

same for Trump and Bannon...

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Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:00 PM

53. Isn't that the very reason that Clinton

and Rice were hounded (video or no video motivation). This is far more an outright lie that should be followed up on in every interview going forward.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:49 AM

36. trump wanted a big weekend victory, instead he killed & wounded a lot of people. ground assault

is to dangerous! was Mathis who was called from the middle of a state dinner when the mission started to fail. looks like trump 'admin' were all coordinated for a big press release.

it's all because Obama insulted trump at WH correspondents dinner at the same time the ground mission to take out bin Laden happened.

trump failed big time trying to fill Obama's shoes. He is responsible for seal 6 woundings and death. President alone says, yea or no these raids.

January 2017.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/21/last-bin-ladens-documents-released-obama-white-hou/

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 08:50 AM

38. it's almost like Trump isn't up for this job....

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 2, 2017, 09:01 AM

40. He's most dangerous near fridays, seems like hes coordinates with republican-fox people

fox remains the only 'media' he called in daily. breibart remains his favorite for darker 'fake news' for his twitter propaganda campaign.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:16 PM

63. ughhh, how long can we go like this ???

 

it seems thoroughly untenable.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:47 PM

61. "almost?" He's the friggin' MC for his own Amateur Hour

Nothing about him is professional and he knows NOTHING about international affairs except for his own business dealings and what Pooty tells him

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Response to wordpix (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:16 PM

62. yeah, I left off the sarcasm tag

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 03:36 AM

46. Didn't Trump say he'd have so much winning that we'd be tired of winning?

I now I'm pretty tired of whatever he calls this.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 11:47 AM

49. Kick

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 06:03 PM

64. Why has no investigation been started? Surely worse than Benghazi!

 

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