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Danmel

(4,908 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:05 AM Feb 2017

State Dept. carries out layoffs under Rex Tillerson

Source: CBS News

While Rex Tillerson is on his first overseas trip as Secretary of State, his aides laid off staff at the State Department on Thursday.

Much of seventh-floor staff, who work for the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and Resources and the Counselor offices, were told today that their services were no longer needed.

These staffers in particular are often the conduit between the secretary’s office to the country bureaus, where the regional expertise is centered. Inside the State Department, some officials fear that this is a politically-minded purge that cuts out much-needed expertise from the policy-making, rather than simply reorganizing the bureaucracy.

There are clear signals being sent that many key foreign policy portfolios will be controlled directly by the White House, rather than through the professional diplomats.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-dept-layoffs-under-rex-tillerson-being-carried-out/



Retaliation, perhaps, for the dissent cable.

After all, Spicer did threaten that people should "get with the program" or leave.
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State Dept. carries out layoffs under Rex Tillerson (Original Post) Danmel Feb 2017 OP
Not a good thing Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #1
These purges are reminding me of something. DK504 Feb 2017 #35
K&R. The lunatics are in charge of the asylum. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2017 #2
Controlled by the WH? They can't control their leader. Ilsa Feb 2017 #3
From the WH means Controlled by Steve Bannon!! Trump is just the wild figure-head who gets riversedge Feb 2017 #24
Tillerson looked very uncomfortable delivering the 2-minute address No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #37
Maybe Tillerson can replace them with savvy gas station attendants Kittycow Feb 2017 #4
"joe the plumber"? niyad Feb 2017 #38
You mean those coal miners. Don't you? LiberalFighter Feb 2017 #42
There ya go...problem solved ! Kittycow Feb 2017 #43
very concerning VaBchTgerLily Feb 2017 #5
welcome to du niyad Feb 2017 #39
Follow the money Boomer Feb 2017 #6
Drilling from the arctic, hmmm greymattermom Feb 2017 #7
An open polar sea --because of global warming-- certainly makes it far... Raster Feb 2017 #12
+1. Delmette2.0 Feb 2017 #21
Unfortunately, I believe that is EXACTLY what is happening... Raster Feb 2017 #11
Only problem with that is the low oil prices we've had for some time 7962 Feb 2017 #19
I concur... that makes the currents situations even more precarious... Raster Feb 2017 #34
I bet the Middle East war Bannon wants will change that kiranerys Feb 2017 #41
Shock doctrine. Break the gov, then point at the broken remains Mc Mike Feb 2017 #8
Yep I just wonder what else we are in for to help this happen lunasun Feb 2017 #10
EPA and other environment- and science-oriented agencies are next. n/t MBS Feb 2017 #16
This beyond shocking. DK504 Feb 2017 #36
yup, it started with Reagan. MBS Feb 2017 #18
That's exactly it. pangaia Feb 2017 #22
That is what is happening with #ACA riversedge Feb 2017 #25
Well bless his heart... JHB Feb 2017 #9
gossip from an acquaintance in the State Dept ( works in Mexico ) OKNancy Feb 2017 #13
This would not surprise me one bit. MBS Feb 2017 #15
look what I found OKNancy Feb 2017 #29
There you go. Thanks for this. MBS Feb 2017 #32
This is because rump wants total power over everything. notdarkyet Feb 2017 #33
Fewer eyes watching their deeds SticksnStones Feb 2017 #14
Yet another disgusting, ignorant, short-sighted, and idiotic move. MBS Feb 2017 #17
I don't think it is any of that. pangaia Feb 2017 #23
yes, it is absolutely their intent. MBS Feb 2017 #26
Trying to centralize all divisions under his control......... Historic NY Feb 2017 #20
It is almost as if some foreign adversary was instructing the new administration on staffing mulsh Feb 2017 #27
who needs diplomacy or expertise? We have a fucking army- we're going to invade and take their oil Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #28
The Dissent Memo results. It is really scary. nikibatts Feb 2017 #30
I posted above, but I don't think Tillerson had anything to do with this OKNancy Feb 2017 #31
I am surprised they didn't wait until after tonight's news dump to do this. niyad Feb 2017 #40

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. Not a good thing
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:17 AM
Feb 2017

this purge is going to lose us a ton of expertise which we will sorely need to rebuild our relations with the world.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
35. These purges are reminding me of something.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:46 PM
Feb 2017

Oh yeah, it is what dictators do to get rid of people that can tell us how fucked up everything is?

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
3. Controlled by the WH? They can't control their leader.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:22 AM
Feb 2017

I guess that trump sitting up all night thinks he'll be using that time to work those portfolios.
They don't know ehat they are doing. That includes Tillerson. I wonder if JoMika will continue to claim how State just loves its new leader?

riversedge

(70,087 posts)
24. From the WH means Controlled by Steve Bannon!! Trump is just the wild figure-head who gets
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:23 AM
Feb 2017

the photo-ops.

No Vested Interest

(5,164 posts)
37. Tillerson looked very uncomfortable delivering the 2-minute address
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:04 PM
Feb 2017

to the conference he is attending in Germany.
I recognize the signs of discomfort in speaking before an audience because I have experienced them myself.

Boomer

(4,167 posts)
6. Follow the money
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:31 AM
Feb 2017

Tillerson is laying the foundation for a State Department that will work with Russia to extract oil from the Arctic. They need to remove sanctions so the drilling can begin. Sweep out anyone who is loyal to the U.S. instead of loyal to ExxonMobil.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
7. Drilling from the arctic, hmmm
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:44 AM
Feb 2017

Does this scheme require global warming to work? Does it require an open polar sea route?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
12. An open polar sea --because of global warming-- certainly makes it far...
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:21 AM
Feb 2017

...easier for Russia to dominate AND RULE the Arctic. And that is their plan.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
11. Unfortunately, I believe that is EXACTLY what is happening...
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:20 AM
Feb 2017

...In one fell swoop, Mad King Donald* and his Congressional accomplices have given us the United States of Exxon. Putin styles himself as the new, modern Tsar and believes he will bring about a new golden age of the Russian Federation. Unlocking the vast, *presumed* petroleum wealth of Russia is the grand first step to realizing Putin's vision. Exxon has committed itself to be Russia's partner in this endeavor.

In the public light, Tillerson will attempt to show he is putting the interests of the United States first. His behind-the-scenes actions, however, will demonstrate quite another reality.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
19. Only problem with that is the low oil prices we've had for some time
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:03 AM
Feb 2017

For several reasons, i dont see oil thru the roof like many years back. We have Higher efficiency in vehicles, advances in electrics, oil replaced in other areas, and the ME still not realistically dropping their output. Not to mention the Us/canada with our own massive supplies.
Russia is dependent on oil revenues & they're going to be in a tight spot in a few years because of continued low prices. Just the other day, oil inventory was 3x expected.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
34. I concur... that makes the currents situations even more precarious...
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:03 PM
Feb 2017

...nothing would please me more than to see alternate sources of energy and efficiency that would totally defang the princes of petroleum and the CRUDE agenda.

kiranerys

(54 posts)
41. I bet the Middle East war Bannon wants will change that
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:47 PM
Feb 2017

Instability and uncertainty among OPEC nations will drive up the price of oil, something that I'm sure will be great news for Tillerson's post-State career back at Exxon.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
8. Shock doctrine. Break the gov, then point at the broken remains
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 08:46 AM
Feb 2017

to 'prove' government 'doesn't work'. Li'l bush did it, too.

And Raygun.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
36. This beyond shocking.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:55 PM
Feb 2017

" ... in an emailed statement to CBS New ..."

The State Dept. didn't even have a fucking briefing for media? The instablity he is causing or about to cause in the world is staggering.
How can the WH control the State Dept.? Since when has that ever happen? This situation is spiraling out of control and the media needs to have everything he is doing on a loop. Televise every single thing he has done since the election. That should take up a 24 hour cycle.

When another thing insane happens wile it be just as or more shocking than the last thing?

MBS

(9,688 posts)
18. yup, it started with Reagan.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:56 AM
Feb 2017

But this is a whole other level of destruction. Trump, Bannon, et al seem truly determined to destroy our country. This destruction is patriotic - HOW, exactly?

I am flabbergasted that he/they have any supporters at all beyond the white-supremacist fascist fringe. Trump should be polling at 4%, not 40%.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
9. Well bless his heart...
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:07 AM
Feb 2017

Translated into domestic terms, these layoffs are purging the sort of people who know the details and can explain to the boss that "bless your heart" is not well-wishing.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
13. gossip from an acquaintance in the State Dept ( works in Mexico )
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:23 AM
Feb 2017

gossip is that it is not Tillerson's doing. Aides were directed by White House, not Tillerson.

ETA: he said he doesn't know if it is true or not... that it was just office gossip

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. This would not surprise me one bit.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:49 AM
Feb 2017

And, actually, this article confirms that deduction in spades. Indirectly, but no less obvious for that. This is a Bannon thing from beginning to end.
Disgusting, but above all, phenomenally stupid.
Note that the author of this quote, is an expert on nuclear nonproliferation, and because of Trump's determination to politicize the State Dept., experienced professionals like him are no longer available to our country to help protect our country, and the world, from the threat of nuclear war. Trump may think that he "wins" with maneuvers like this. But, unfortunately, it's our country that loses. Sorry, cheeto, you can't replace this man's expertise with an inexperienced, incompetent political sycophant:

“It is irresponsible to let qualified, nonpartisan, experienced people go before you have any idea of their replacement. You can’t do foreign policy by sitting in the White House, just out of your back pocket,” explains Tom Countryman, Former Assistant Secetary for Non-Proliferation who was let go earlier this month. Countryman worries that the White House is displaying an intent not rely on the State Department for foreign policy in that no one will be in place to challenge the edicts drawn up in the Oval Office.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
32. There you go. Thanks for this.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:20 AM
Feb 2017

Wow, hard to believe that just one month ago we had a distinguished Secretary of State and an experienced, deeply competent State Dept.
What a disaster. What a WASTE.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
33. This is because rump wants total power over everything.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:56 PM
Feb 2017

He trusts no one and wants to be the one to make every decision. Total control invested in a despot, strong arm maniac who cares not one whit for our country or us. Sometimes I feel he is actively trying to destroy it all. The cabinet just follows orders. Damn sounds like nazi Germany. Are there no patriots in our government who will stand up to the destruction of our once great nation? Bueler?

MBS

(9,688 posts)
17. Yet another disgusting, ignorant, short-sighted, and idiotic move.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 09:51 AM
Feb 2017

I wonder what former Sec. Kerry and the career diplomats at State must be thinking right now.
I would guess: a long series of unprintable things.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
26. yes, it is absolutely their intent.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:42 AM
Feb 2017

But it is still disgusting, short-sighted, ignorant, and idiotic.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
20. Trying to centralize all divisions under his control.........
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 10:07 AM
Feb 2017

is maddening, Israel was left yesterday not knowing just what policy the US has. Many of these people were career and have served in several administrations. As far as transcripts or read outs of calls some of this is public record, unless of course your hiding things.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
27. It is almost as if some foreign adversary was instructing the new administration on staffing
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:02 AM
Feb 2017

for key government departments and critical positions with in those departments.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
30. The Dissent Memo results. It is really scary.
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:13 AM
Feb 2017

I saw an interview with some foreign correspondent late last night. Can't remember who it was, but she warned that the kind of crisis the US is facing under Trump in the kind in which "not even your institutions will save you." That was a dire warning and now I see what she means. The Dissent Memo was a mechanism for honesty without repercussions. Not anymore. I knew Tillerson was a devil in disguise. They are beginning a clean sweep of all the institutions that protected us from fascism.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
31. I posted above, but I don't think Tillerson had anything to do with this
Fri Feb 17, 2017, 11:14 AM
Feb 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/16/rex-tillerson-state-department-sidelined-by-white-house?CMP=share_btn_tw

Out of the loop: Rex Tillerson finds state department sidelined by White House

Rex Tillerson began his first foreign outing as US secretary of state on Thursday, meeting counterparts from G20 countries in Bonn, but he has left behind in Washington a department that is severely weakened and cut out of key policy decisions.

Since starting the job two weeks ago, Tillerson, a former ExxonMobil executive, has soothed nerves at the state department by consulting widely with regional and country experts, but it has been hard to disguise the gap between the department headquarters at Washington’s Foggy Bottom and the White House where far-reaching foreign policy decisions are being made.


Trump's state department purge sparks worries of 'know-nothing approach' to foreign policy

Senior state department officials who would normally be called to the White House for their views on key policy issues, are not being asked their opinion. They have resorted to asking foreign diplomats, who now have better access to President Trump’s immediate circle of advisers, what new decisions are imminent.

The public voice of the state department has fallen silent. There has not been a daily press briefing, the customary channel for voicing US views and policy on world events, since January.

more at the link
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