US Launches Missles at Syria at Syrian Base after Chemical Weapons Attack
Source: NBC News
The United States launched dozens of cruise missiles Thursday night at a Syrian airfield in response to what it believes was the Syrian government's use of banned chemical weapons blamed for having killed at least 100 people on Tuesday, U.S. military officials told NBC News.
The U.S. military fired at least 50 Tomahawk missiles intended for a single target Ash Sha'irat in Homs province in western Syria, the officials said.
That's the airfierld from which the United States believes the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad fired the banned weapons.
Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636
updated with NBC link
sakabatou
(42,141 posts)Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)doubt there's an article up yet.
sakabatou
(42,141 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,123 posts)And gas shot up $.40 yesterday.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Working for an NGO, helping refugees. At least she's spent the last several months there. She might be back in the States this week for a friend's wedding. I have trouble keeping up with her travels and she doesn't often have access to internet - and never puts anything about her work online.
lastlib
(23,163 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)He broke into his own NBC Nightly News broadcast with a Breaking News alert at 6:12 Pacific Time to report of our military strike on Syria.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636
grantcart
(53,061 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,351 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,593 posts)Asshole.
He is, not you, BeyondGeography. ♡
♡lmsp
NCDem777
(458 posts)Another intervention into the supposedly "independent" middle East
Can't those dumbfucks solve their own bullshit just once?
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)NCDem777
(458 posts)but the Middle Eastern nations have been stomping their feet about how they wanna be independent of the big bad West.
If they're concerned about Assad, they need to do something about it.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Just calling out Syria's "concerned" neighbors for not doing enough to take care of their own neighborhood.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)get the red out
(13,460 posts)Should step it up. I realize the person who used that language allowed their point to be lost in doing so. But I agree with the point that their neighbors should do more to aid in the situation.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)mtngirl47
(987 posts)Saber rattling while in a meeting with Xi?
riversedge
(70,092 posts)rurallib
(62,387 posts)Maybe it is a favor to Putin.
Could it be a message to N.Korea also?
Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)None of the pundits they've brought in thinks this will cause issues with Russia.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)reggaehead
(269 posts)When the idiot-in-chief basically said removing Assad was not a priority. He caused this shit. He can't correct it by bombing.
Rural_Progressive
(1,105 posts)So the crazy guy gases people so he can show them what a tough guy he is and that nobody should mess with him.
Then our crazy guy launches dozens missiles at the crazy guy.
If dRump had drawn a line in the sand, this could be seen as proportional. The way orange boy did it, well it looks like we are an out of control, unpredictable super power. Not good.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Reminds me of when Bush 1 indicated to Saddam that his administration wasn't concerned about whether he invaded Kuwait, then he invaded Kuwait and all hell broke loose. The mixed messages aren't good foreign policy. The air strike on its own is appropriate, but Trump's failed foreign policy probably led to the horror that warranted it.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Mostly I assumed this was just his standard cover-up for the fact that he has no plan on anything, but in this case he seems to have lived up to his word (Mark the calendar).
When their domestic popularity goes very low, it is standard operating procedure for deranged autocrats to initiate military aggression, to rally the people behind them. Usually works, too. His popularity will bounce at least a little, especially among his base. I'm guessing his disapproval rating changes somewhat in the next poll(s).
It immediately reminded me, too, of the Iraq/Kuwait incident, as another has mentioned.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Two U.S. warships in the Mediterranean Sea fired at least 50 Tomahawk missiles intended for a single target Ash Sha'irat in Homs province in western Syria, the officials said. That's the airfield from which the United States believes the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad fired the banned weapons.
There was no immediate word on casualties. U.S. officials told NBC News that people were not targeted and that aircraft and infrastructure at the site, including the runway, were hit.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-launches-missiles-syrian-base-after-chemical-weapons-attack-n743636
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)paleotn
(17,884 posts)the important thing is Russia's reaction. I certainly hope there were no Russian personnel or assets at that airbase. The target is relatively small, so possibly not. Regardless, Russia is propping up Assad and they're not going to be pleased. This is very, very dangerous. Apparently Putin's intelligence asset has wandered off the rez.
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)paleotn
(17,884 posts)That is if he limits this to one strike and we're back to the Tillerson doctrine. If we begin a direct attempt to remove a Russian client, he's going to start a serious stink with Putin. Russia has spent a serious amount of Rubles keeping Assad in power.
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)publicly supporting the usage of a banned chemical weapon by Syria but if it supports its usage alot of countries with the sanctions rather than drop them might just increase them on Russia.
mallard
(569 posts)That the chemicals released in the Syrian air attack were on the ground in a rebel ammo dump which was hit.
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Assad agreed to give up it's chemical weapons. Russia could claim Assad lied or, since Russia probably knew anyway, it could ignore it. Russia also recklessly caused death and serious injuries to innocent Syrians, as collateral damage to their support for Assad.
So, will this Prez, w his newly found empathy, still bar Syrian refugees???
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)as he said multiple times it's what he would do on the campaign trail however hopefully the courts will stop him.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)Putin knows there are investigations on his and Trump's ties. So this attack can be "proof" that Trump is no friend of Russia, without Russia having to suffer any real loss.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)..then again, I thought this might be twitler's way of telling the Russians he's his own man and they don't control him. Particularly after the rather Russia friendly policy shift on Assad, quickly followed by a Syrian gas attack. Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
I still think we're living in an old, Chinese curse....may you live in interesting times.
cstanleytech
(26,243 posts)he has murdered plenty of others himself such as when he ordered the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)of the strike and location.
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,546 posts)who cares what Putin thinks? If we believe the Donald is in his pocket, then it must be ok with him. If not, so what?
trc
(823 posts)it will lead to widespread anger in Russian against the US, reinforcing Putin's position that NATO should not be on his border and either threaten the new NATO states or outright invade them. After all, 45 does not support NATO
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)He might have given Russians time to get their personnel out before the strike.
And, as others have said, perhaps Russia doesn't want Assad to use chemical weapons either, but failed to convince them to comply, and so Putin might have had his agents in the inner circle suggest to el presidente that such a strike would be helpful. In that case, also, Russia would have removed any personnel from the area prior to the attack.
It also conveniently obscures the popular observation that there has been a history of Russian involvement with personnel in the administration.
riversedge
(70,092 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)If he didn't have discussions with Congress this will be a serious issue.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)But of course he didn't really consult with anyone.
He has no idea of what results or consequences are likely from this.
Everything he does comes straight out of his ass.
This will be no different.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)They wouldn't do this just on a whim of 45's.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)First, he's the commander in chief so if he orders something they have to do it.
They can try to dissuade him if they think it's a mistake but if he's firm they have to follow his orders.
Secondly, the military are always itching to get into a conflict. That's their whole purpose.
Certainly they know when it's clearly a mistake to engage from a military standpoint but they rely on others to evaluate the political effects of the situation. The president is the ultimate arbiter of the politics and is supposed to have a more global view of the situation than the military commanders.
In this case, though, he probably has less awareness of the global situation and the potential negative effects of this attack than just about anyone in the military or government.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Even though they had already said it was a bad idea, they followed the CINC's orders on that. Military do that, follow orders. Their only alternative is to step down.
janx
(24,128 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 7, 2017, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)
90-degree turn.
mallard
(569 posts)We're being told to hate Assad by people who want regime change to Syria's severe detriment, told to believe lies about what's really happening, and many here are buying, even trumpeting another round of radically severe BS.
Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)That this political stunt was to basically separate Trumpf from President Obama. The fact that Trump supported Syria for years and 48 hours changes.
murielm99
(30,717 posts)He has to show up the black guy.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)El presidente wants to be liked, but has no idea how to accomplish that properly, and probably would not be willing to do the necessary effort if he did understand. So, he seeks to destroy what he perceives as the competition instead. Same idea as knocking his TV replacement Arnold about TV ratings.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Larry Benjamin
Yesterday at 11:50am ·
Buffoon is having a presser at 1pm. Thinking he may be upping the ante in Syria.
Looking for flag waving patriotism in order to take heat off Russian connection.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,928 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Aircraft and infrastructure were targeted.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)That's so last week.
truthisfreedom
(23,140 posts)groundloop
(11,514 posts)The timing of this is very fortunate to 45*, plus he gets to do some much sought after saber rattling.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,469 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,469 posts)Except when they're not.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Trump: "This will take everyone's mind off the Russian story!"
Everyone else: "Syria is allied with Russia."
Trump: "Not anymore!"
Entire world: Collective face palm.
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)paleotn
(17,884 posts)I just wonder what Putin will think about his orange babushka.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)And it's also the head kerchief that grandmothers wear.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Back in Chicago. I was just picturing Trump as an old lady wearing an orange babushka
Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)As part of a peace group she belonged to. And that was one of the few words I knew since my other grandmother was Polish, an actual babushka. It came in handy to explain why I was there with my grandmother. Younger people spoke English, but the WWII generation did not. We met with several Russian peace groups and after the horror they experienced during WWII on their home turf, they were vehemently opposed to war.
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Altho she was Czechoslovak, she was hip and assimilated American style. She loved Coca-Cola. She made killer meals; knockout spaghetti, pork chops, a simple green salad so tasty (she just gave it that touch), American dishes.
Baba cooked old country mainly. Big pot of whole freshly 'done in' chicken (with the feet!) soup EVERY Saturday to last the entire week.
My mom would take my grandmother out Saturdays to a drive-in on a local beach for hot dogs. My grandfather worked as a butcher (had his own store) for a number of years and he forbid hot dogs to be brought into the house. He knew what possibly could have been incorporated in them. Mom and Grandmother dint care. Heh heh. I think he caught on eventually, but mellowed out.
He was a character. Asked my grandmother for his dessert first if the meal wasn't quite ready, and she gave it to him!
Please don't shout me down if I posted a long winded one and it is in the wrong place.
Rhiannon welcomed me (back) first and I yam fond of my 'bro' in humanity. 😘
(The heavenly places forbid any hint of military action by troops over 'there....)
Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)And your grandparents sound a bit like mine, though they were my mother's parents. They both came into this country from Poland when they were in their teens. My mother put their names on the Ellis Island wall. They made my grandfather a citizen and sent him to France to fight in WWI. They met and married here, started out with factory jobs, but then opened a small grocery store which was still in operation when I was a kid. I thought it was the coolest thing ever to pick up something off the shelves or get a soda from the cooler.
And my grandmother - we called her Babci - was a great cook, too. Everything was made from scratch - Polish dishes that I can't spell - and she never used a recipe. I wish so much I had learned from her, my mother never did. Polish was my mother's first language and she and her sister went to classes as kids to learn to read and write it, too. That's another thing that I regret, that I never learned to speak it, though when Babci was living, I could understand. I mainly know polite phrases, food names I learned from my grandmother and swearing I learned from riding in the car with my mother.
I think the Polish and Slovak languages are similar. My mother told me that her grandfather could speak both - and Russian as well. One time when I was at the vet, my cat tried to sit down to avoid having her temperature taken and his wife - who's his assistant - said something about the cat's "dupa," LOL. I asked if she was Polish, and she said she was Slovak. So that's apparently the same word...
It was my other grandmother who was the world traveler, my Dad's mother. She was the one WASP in the family, but she was also quite remarkable. She had a rough childhood, lost her own mother at age 13. But she was the most accepting and tolerant person I can think of, I never learned about prejudice until I was old enough to watch documentaries on TV.
As we've often said here, we all come from immigrants. Unless we're Native American, none of us would be here. That's why it sends me over the edge to hear about certain groups being banned from entering this country. A couple of generations ago, that could have been our families.
Thanks for sharing your grandparents' story! And I was long-winded, too...
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)but it's too mild a name. Like hiney or tush.
Oy veh Gefilte Fish.
Some words in Polish and Slovak are closely similar. Golumpki and halupki. Stuffed cabbage.
Babci I know, and Yugoslavs say Babu, IIRC.
My maternal grandparents grew up childhood sweethearts in the old country and came over separately, then got together. Story goes: when my granddad embarked at Castle Gardens, he got on his hands and knees, kissed the ground and proclaimed. "God bless America!"
Stay safe and be well, moja droga.
Here's to you!🍷
(Someone may remark--GET A ROOM! Sorry for an LP offense. I had to wash that drumpft right outta mah hair. Reminiscin' did me good.)
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)out.
Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)And that is a lovely story about your grandparents. Mine came over separately and eventually met up here. My Babci's story is particularly heartbreaking to me, she arrived here by ship at 15 - came with a friend, another girl - and while she met up with fellow Polish immigrants, distant relatives, I think, she never went home again, though she sent money and packages home for the rest of her life. And she lived to 82.
And we all need distractions these days. The state of this country - and the world - would be tough to take if we thought of nothing else. The only danger is accepting what's going on as "normal," at least the news is acknowledging that the Syrian bombing is a huge story by remaining on live overnight.
Your spelling is better than mine. As I said, I know words, could probably communicate if I really had to, so I understood what you said. The best I could do was look it up, since the spelling was totally beyond me: Dziękuję!
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Our friend's mom, Babu, would eat skin and all on chicken. Her daughter Olga said, "Ma, skin's bad for you loaded with cholesterol!" Babu goes, "I've lived this long and no problems!" She did live into her 90"s. I believe stress is the big culprit in doing us in.
Dobre Noc, Pani!🌛🌠
Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)Chicken soup with noodles, but then my mother made that too. Babci made soup from the liquid she boiled kielbasa in, added all sorts of things, sliced kielbasa, boiled eggs, I think even kapusta. The cabbage rolls weren't my favorite (don't ask me to spell that!) but I really liked everything else.
And when she went to bed, she'd smile and say "go spać!"
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Yaaas, "Ist' spat'." Go to sleep! The t is kinda soft pronounced.
Nom nom, kolbasi and kapusta. Howsabout pierogi? Hoo boy!
Now I gotta go spat'. Sweet dreams, m'lady. 💤
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Rhiannon12866
(204,788 posts)It really was the optimum time. My grandmother (Nana ) retired to NC and her small town had a sister town in the USSR and this was the initial visit. They needed 17 to make the trip and when people kept dropping out, my Nana suggested me to make up the numbers. At first I thought she must be out of her mind, since I grew up believing the Russians hated us. But it was my grandmother, so I went and it really did turn out to be the trip of a lifetime.
I was by far the youngest. Except for me and one lady, the group was all senior citizens, experienced travelers and quite knowledgeable, so I couldn't have been in better company! And the Russians we met were quite excited to meet Americans. We traveled all over, but our "sister town" was 2 1/2 hours straight up in the Caucasus Mountains so they weren't used to many foreign visitors at all! And it wasn't just the "peace groups" who were dedicated to peace, but there were monuments and remembrances all over. No one there had forgotten the last World War. And this was under Gorbachev, and Perestroika - so things were looking up - back then.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)That's his hair!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)wonder what part of the gassing was false flag?
Did Russia do it to give Dolt 45 an excuse?
the whole thing does not make sense to me...then again, I am reasonably sane, by most standards.
Kablooie
(18,612 posts)In typical Trump style.
You know that Trump has no idea what he's getting into.
Well, here we go.
War by the seat of your Armani pants.
ornotna
(10,795 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Something tells me this is not going to play out well at all.
ornotna
(10,795 posts)This is not going to be a fun ride.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Our foreign policy, acts of war - years of professed policy intent out the window now based on what the Liar-in-Chief sees on TV and how it makes him feel.
Astounding.
Does this mean that the leaders of any country on earth now have to understand that they take aggressive acts against members of their own country - we are on watch?
I remember when Bush stated prior to his first election how the US needed to stop being the policeman of the world and we needed to stop with nation-building.
They gave the keys back to another one! Look out, ditch!
littlemissmartypants
(22,593 posts)I'm trying to watch Scandal and ABC just interrupted with George Stephanopoulos. And Huck about to die.
OMGOSH.
Sarcasm.
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 7, 2017, 12:53 AM - Edit history (1)
when Lester Holt cut in with a repeat of the breaking news, then saying so-called had a statement shortly. I got HIGHLY.
The finale is next week. I don't view a lot of telly except for this show and a few others.
I said "HERE we go" when Scott Pelley (CBS) cut in earlier with the missile launch.
SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)It's at least the second time this week that a man who had attacked her judgment subsequently proceeded to follow it.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)Trump clearly did not try to get congressional authorization for use of force--even though his party holds the majority in both houses. When Obama tried to get authorization for use of force in Syria, congress refused to even debate it. So Obama didn't do it.
reggaehead
(269 posts)Is because Chump greenlighted Assad's use of weapons on his own ppl when he said Assad's removal not a priority.
Shades of Ambassador Glaspie's astronomical fuck up that precipitated the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)paleotn
(17,884 posts)the Russians pull out their people and equipment. Otherwise, it's WW3. Russians don't take too kindly to us blowing the shit out of their pilots, ground crews and multi million ruble equipment. Can't blame them for that. Saying your going to bomb the shit out of somebody is easy from a comfortable TV set. Actually doing it without reaping a fucking whirlwind is quite another. Complexities tend to temper "bomb the shit out of them" and rightly so. That's the difference between a TV set and the real world. Obama knew that very well. It's times like this that I really, really miss that man. We could count on his caution and thoughtfulness, verses going off half cocked.
SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)She wasn't talking about going after people and equipment.
janx
(24,128 posts)The phrase she used was "take out his air fields..."
SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)If she meant his air force, she would have said so.
paleotn
(17,884 posts)The accuracy we're so enamored with isn't quite as good as most American's think. We never get to see the malfunctions and assorted fuck ups, just the perfect shots. Better now than even Desert Storm, but not perfect. Thus, people are bound to get killed and collateral damage is still an inevitability. If that collateral damage includes Russian service personnel, we've just started another shit storm.
Simply punching holes in runways has only a very shot term impact. A few bulldozers, some gravel and concrete and boom...runway fixed. Patching damaged airfields has been just a part of fighting a modern war since WWII. Long term impact comes from destroying aircraft, hangers, fuel dumps, material storage and maintenance facilities. But do that, and the death toll is sure the climb.
Lastly, gaming out what could happen after smacking that hornets nest is next to impossible. Too many unknown, unknowns. Using Libya as an analog for military action in Syria even more unnerving.
Clinton knows all this and I do wish she would be more forthcoming with the fact that a few airstrikes will probably not give the desired affect and could easily make things far worse. Sure, it feels good after the gas attack, but what feels good is rarely the wise course. ISIS is on its last legs now, so lets keep militarily to that course and clear some of the complexity from Syria. Then work on what to do with Assad and the multitude of various and sundry rebels.
SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)She has alwsys maintained that the fighting in Syria can only be solved with a political solution. She said disabling the air fields was to stop Assad from using them to bomb civilians, she never said that it would solve the Syrian civil war.
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)That tells me maybe Comrade Trump is not only still obsessed with President Obama, but he is obsessed with Clinton as well.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,866 posts)That is exactly what it is.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)... think about what matters to him most.
Not the nation, not the world, not peace, not even his family.
What matters most to him is "winning".
Just how he defines winning is another question.
SCantiGOP
(13,866 posts)Expect him to keep using the military as the perfect diversion.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)what? less than two months?
orleans
(34,042 posts)omg
saying something about the russian army was not supposed to have a presence at that that particular military base in syria, otherwise we'd be going to war with russia (or provoking russia--something to that effect)
where is the mouth drop/omg emoji?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This one?
Or this one?
orleans
(34,042 posts)my reaction exactly. After picking my jaw up off the floor, I said something like oh my fucking god....the Russians are gonna shit! It's been an unwritten rule throughout the Cold War that we don't endanger their personnel directly and they don't endanger ours. Proxy wars are fine. We funded the Mujaheddin in The Stan and they funded the VC in Vietnam. But, we don't target their people and visa versa, even inadvertently, for the simple reason that doing so could start an incident that spirals out of control.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Nikolay Kolesnik was one
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Trump's approval rating will go up. The action is targeted, hits the launch site of the chem weapons, decisive.
Bannon would have argued vehemently against action, being a nationalist, and getting in the way of a real discussion of options and solution for stopping more chemical attacks?
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Americans love decisive action to end things as horrible as what happened in Syria. And what was hit was the airfield that launched the chemical weapons, so it can't be used again (soon, anyway).
We all know that Trump doesn't really care about other people outside of his family. He doesn't have the capacity. They are "the others." The little people who live lives he's unfamiliar with and doesn't want to know about.
We'll hear him tomorrow talk about how GREAT HIS decision was, how TERRIFIC his action was, and how everyone in the world is acknowledging what a WONDERFUL thing it was that HE did. He might also mention the dead and suffering Syrians who were gassed. And that HE, Donald Trump, stopped that from happening again because HE knows what to do, and the Syrians are VERY VERY HAPPY with HIS decision.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)trump bans refugees from Syria from entering America, then bombs Syria. Over six million Syrian refugees so far.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)See, I'm no puppet, I can't be a puppet, no really....see what I did.
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)Its a wag the dog distraction, with the double bonus of appearing to counter the Putin puppet/collusion stigma. Add feigned anger by Russia to make it appear credible, and Nicky Haley going off on Russia in the UN. Good theatre for a missile strike that went after Syria's sarin base.
FYI- Steele's dossier mentioned Russia was initially happy to take heat for hacking to provide cover for Trump's corruption activities in China. Not verified yet but its there.
Now I'm happy to eat crow and move to some redneck enclave in butthole, Louisiana (not really), but it makes no sense after 5 years of close financial ties to Russian oligarchs, mobsters, and likely collusion with the Kremlin, that one Syrian gas attack makes Trump risk Putin leaking those golden showers scenes and impeach worthy materials.
Midnight Writer
(21,717 posts)LuckyLib
(6,817 posts)So where exactly did he get his information on where to strike? Oh, that's right . . . the intelligence community.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)At least most of the ones that Trump wanted, excluding Flynn, of course.
My impression is that there's been a fight to see which faction can take over Trump's tiny brain, and while different ones win on different days, today's the military's day. Tomorrow, who knows?
That's one thing Putin didn't count on when manipulating a subject so easy to con, somebody else can do it, too.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Very chilling, considering that's why the civilian president is commander in chief, so the military won't be in charge.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Especially while the Chinese president is here. It says, "You deal with North Korea, or we will."
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)imperialist great-power struggles can spin inexorably out of control into generation-killing conflagrations.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Shouldn't we know instead of believing? I remember when we "knew" er believed somebody had some WMD's. The previous gas attacks in Syria were never definitively proven to be delivered by Assad's troops, and in fact a lot of information pointed to the rebels trying to goad the US into a full-scale war in Syria.
The rebels still have chemical weapons. We've likely jumped the gun again, and the repercussions of this night may be far worse than we know. Especially when STFU Donny wakes up tomorrow and sees his approval ratings going up up up.
Watching MSNBC tonight is like watching Fox Noise in 2003.
napi21
(45,806 posts)won't think about or realize.. One thing he mentioned is that there was Sarin Gas stored there. It is also a base where Iranian troops stay. He said many other points I can't remember. We'll see in a few days what happens that this new admin. dudb't think about.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Hillary called for airstrikes on Syrian airfield. A few hours later, Trump orders airstrikes on Syrian airfield.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/hillary-clinton-calls-for-us-to-bomb-syrian-air-fields-hours-before-trump-does-exactly-that/
janx
(24,128 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)Let's see, this will knock back Assad who was starting to gain the upper hand in Syria in the four way struggle happening there. Now time for the Rebels to come back.
The four way consists of the SAA (Assad), SDF/YPG (The Kurds), the Rebels (many groups of which the FSA is one of the better known ones) and the Daesh (ISIS).
The only reasons the SAA is still around is because of the Russians, the Rebels would have probably otherwise won - though the Daesh probably would have more territory as the Rebels would likely have fallen apart.
The SDF/YPG are the only ones making any real advances at this time against the Daesh, but they are limited in their scope and have required massive US assistance in weapon supply, Special Forces, Artillery and Air support. The SAA recaptured Palmyra and adjoining oilfields, but required massive Russian assistance and now seem played out with minimal activity over the past few weeks. The Turkish intervention a few months back has stopped and without the massive Turkish armored support, the front in the NW south of Manboj looks to have stalemated.
At this time Isis looks to have a reprieve as the war between Assad and the Rebels has started back up in earnest. Will mean more US deaths around Raqqa.
James48
(4,428 posts)He hasn't gotten any authority from Congress to attack Syria.
What the hell?
This violates the War Powers Act-
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-33
IMPEACH HIM NOW!
Lokilooney
(322 posts)Grenada, Kosovo, (insert random US military action here) the War Powers Act has meant bupkis for quite some time now.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/all-the-previous-declarations-of-war/279246/
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Lokilooney
(322 posts)His answer to concerns about our military action in Libya 2011 was basically I done need no steeking congressional approval. By the time he was ordering strikes against ISIL in Libya 2016 congress didn't seem to care anymore that he was violating the WP act. A law suit was filed due to that though.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/05/476871160/u-s-army-captain-is-suing-obama-over-legality-of-the-war-against-isis
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)Striking ISIS in Libya, or anyplace, is considered to be authorized under a blanket congressional resolution passed after 9/11. Striking at an actual government, Syria, is considered a new game. We already battle non-government players in Syria. Striking at the Syrian government is a different thing. However, it is true that Obama was advised that he did not strictly require congressional authorization but he should ask for it anyway. He did, they said no. They have no right to complain now about what they themselves decided.
Lokilooney
(322 posts)Is that they do not fall under Section 2 (a) https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ40/html/PLAW-107publ40.htm
At least that is what the aforementioned law suit I linked earlier is arguing.
There is also nothing new regarding taking action against a government the US took far greater military action against the Libyan government in 2011 than anything in Syria, and in that conflict Obama never consulted congress.
LTG
(215 posts)Every President since the War Powers Resolution was passed has asserted that the law was an unconstitutional limit on the powers of the President. No court has ever ruled on the issue.
President Obama was taken to federal court by a number of members of Congress for failure to abide by the requirements of the Resolution. The District and Appellate Courts rule that the plaintiffs has no standing to sue for enforcement of the Resolution.
Almost every President has partially or completely ignored the Resolution, to which the Congress complains and blusters but ultimately does nothing.
NewDealProgressive
(98 posts)That's how little I trust this motherfucker and how petty he is.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)and everyone is going to forget about Russia, because he's a warmonger which Republicans just love?
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)This is what the US has been doing for awhile now. Something happens and the US military responds with a batch of cruise missiles aimed at some military target. It's basically a hit and run that makes people feel good that we saw something terrible and "did something about it". Russia was told in advance so they could get out the way, no casualties and a few aircraft destroyed and DoD gets to buy more cruise missiles to replenish its supply.
The US military absolutely does not want to go to war. Without a draft, the manpower simply isn't there for a big "boots on the ground" operation. I seriously doubt the equipment, support and manufacturing ability is there either.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)But basically it's the same thing that Clinton, Bush, Obama did many times-- send in cruise missile as a show of force, take out some target
get the red out
(13,460 posts)"That might have given Putin a bout of indigestion, Trump isn't a puppet!"
I hope the media dialogue doesn't go that direction. I seriously doubt he did it without Putin's approval either. I wonder what was left to bomb in that airfield? Used airplane parts?
SunSeeker
(51,518 posts)Of course, Putin then ovbiously tipped off Assad since Assad moved his planes too.
And Trump didn't even take out the airfield. The runways are still intact! Assad showed his planes taking off from that airfield today. Nor did Trump take out the chemical weapons depot. The strike pretty much did nothing to stop Assad. Either it was shocking incompetence or pointless kabuki theater.