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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:24 PM Apr 2017

Warplanes from Syrian base hit by US just carried out airstrikes in Homs

Source: Reuters



ELIZABETH PREZA
07 APR 2017 AT 15:20 ET

Syrian warplanes took off from the airbase struck Thursday night by the United States, Reuters reports.




According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the planes are heading to carry out strikes in the Homs countryside.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/warplanes-from-syrian-base-hit-by-us-just-carried-out-airstrikes-in-homs/
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Warplanes from Syrian base hit by US just carried out airstrikes in Homs (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2017 OP
Oh yeah? Ligyron Apr 2017 #1
He may as well have shot missiles with payloads made of kazoos, or Play-Doh, or old socks . . . . hatrack Apr 2017 #2
Over 50 U.S. military-controlled missiles MISSED Hortensis Apr 2017 #41
Yeah, I don't believe it either Bradical79 Apr 2017 #52
It could make a really good comedy skit, though. Hortensis Apr 2017 #53
Has there ever been a tomahawk cruise missile salvo that failed so bad? xor Apr 2017 #56
Maybe it depends on where Trump wanted them aimed. keithbvadu2 Apr 2017 #57
Right. Of course they didn't. They're noted for their accuracy, Hortensis Apr 2017 #62
They are GPS guided, from what I understand. King_Klonopin Apr 2017 #63
I wish I could say you're craaaazy xor Apr 2017 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author trc Apr 2017 #45
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2017 #3
More proof that it was just for show. LisaM Apr 2017 #4
Yep Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #9
+++ agree iluvtennis Apr 2017 #17
Worst commander-in-chief ever dalton99a Apr 2017 #5
Well, how about that? get the red out Apr 2017 #6
Non-stop embarrassment. Of course, he'll hail it as a glorious victory. truthisfreedom Apr 2017 #7
So much for Trump's becoming presidential. nt kstewart33 Apr 2017 #8
So does Fareed still think that BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #10
I can't believe Fareed Zakaria said that. SunSeeker Apr 2017 #38
Zakaria thought this showed Rump was understanding Hortensis Apr 2017 #43
What Zakaria and others like him need to understand BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #47
They all understand that and much more just fine. Hortensis Apr 2017 #49
One can be "book smart" BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #50
Rump is an interesting example of someone incapable Hortensis Apr 2017 #51
Agree! BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #55
Then who was thT asshole signing all the EO's that stripped America of anything decent world wide wally Apr 2017 #39
I was just looking at his twitter feed BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #48
Orangey ain't smart enough to light the fuse on a firecracker Plucketeer Apr 2017 #11
The drone footage seems to show NO damage to hangers or strip. Only some random craters away from FailureToCommunicate Apr 2017 #12
I'm shocked, I tell ya! Lucinda Apr 2017 #13
Remember tRump's failed raid at Yakla that killed an American girl? Now he's Zero for Two. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #14
Our tax dollars at work IronLionZion Apr 2017 #15
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!! bullwinkle428 Apr 2017 #16
and PROPORTIONAL too!!! grantcart Apr 2017 #18
Obviously matt819 Apr 2017 #19
TLAMs are not the weapon to take out runways hack89 Apr 2017 #64
Well matt819 Apr 2017 #65
What was the stated goal of the mission? hack89 Apr 2017 #66
k and r panader0 Apr 2017 #20
Oh, well that's not embarrassing at all. Sorceress Apr 2017 #21
A spectacular failure! The_Casual_Observer Apr 2017 #22
The photos BigOleDummy Apr 2017 #23
Fox & Russia/war whores inflame fake conflict Juliusseizure Apr 2017 #24
Cheeto tipped off the Russians - who tipped off the Iranians and Syrians jpak Apr 2017 #25
Not seeing this on cable news yet. Flaleftist Apr 2017 #26
Oh well good I'm so glad we fired 4 dozen tomahawk misses into that airport Volaris Apr 2017 #27
Cost of 50 Tomahawks $$$$$$$ Actual damage benld74 Apr 2017 #28
From what I've read in a few places, only 29ish of the 60 missiles JesterCS Apr 2017 #29
Maybe they were not aimed at the target dalton99a Apr 2017 #46
According to the Russians....I highly doubt their info... EX500rider Apr 2017 #54
it reminds me of the paid for air strike in Catch 22. Scruffy1 Apr 2017 #30
I was thinking of the scene from Conrad's Heart of Darkness where KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #42
I had the same idea. Catch 22 is a wonderful book and not a bad movie. NT jeanmarc Apr 2017 #69
Nice shootin' Tex. MuseRider Apr 2017 #31
It wasn't just for show... Wounded Bear Apr 2017 #32
sssshhh.... SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2017 #33
So now, instead of fake news, Hair Furor is making fake war. lark Apr 2017 #34
Mission accomplished? czarjak Apr 2017 #35
Thanks Obama!! klook Apr 2017 #36
WTF? GitRDun Apr 2017 #37
What potholes? world wide wally Apr 2017 #40
LOL WHUT Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #44
Trump decides to strike Syria ... and then; keithbvadu2 Apr 2017 #58
Perhaps we need some confirmation of the Raw Story tweets... Rollo Apr 2017 #59
We can wait for Trump to deny it. keithbvadu2 Apr 2017 #60
I have since seen that the Daily Mail as well as "The Week" have also covered this story. Rollo Apr 2017 #61
Not even enough potholes jeanmarc Apr 2017 #68

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
1. Oh yeah?
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:27 PM
Apr 2017

Well don't you worry none, ol' Trumpy will order up a better airstrike right away! Loser Air Force.!

hatrack

(59,439 posts)
2. He may as well have shot missiles with payloads made of kazoos, or Play-Doh, or old socks . . . .
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:30 PM
Apr 2017

Another Big Fat Fail from the Big Fat FAILURE.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Over 50 U.S. military-controlled missiles MISSED
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:15 PM
Apr 2017

because our military FAILED? You can believe that. I do not. Any failure would have been in believing Assad would go along with Rump's game. Whatever it is.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
52. Yeah, I don't believe it either
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:21 PM
Apr 2017

No way our military fires 50 tomahawk missles at an airbase failing to make it nonfunctional for even a single day.

xor

(1,204 posts)
56. Has there ever been a tomahawk cruise missile salvo that failed so bad?
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:17 PM
Apr 2017

Really hard to believe that 40 or so cruise missiles completely failed to hit their targets.

keithbvadu2

(36,364 posts)
57. Maybe it depends on where Trump wanted them aimed.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:43 PM
Apr 2017

Maybe it depends on where Trump wanted them aimed.

Don't want to hit Trump's bff Putin.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. Right. Of course they didn't. They're noted for their accuracy,
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:55 AM
Apr 2017

but the article below explains that they are not at all the right weapon for taking out runways. Another article I read explains that using Tomahawks actually sends a message based on their historic use that has significance beyond the damage caused by the bombs themselves.

Whatever. We apparently specifically avoided hitting the sarin gas storage area lest Russian military in the area be hurt, never expected to cause damage that would get in the way of future sarin attacks, warned our target ahead of time, and timed the attack to least endanger Syrian and Russian personnel.

At this point in the conflict, 59 Tomahawks are nothing more than a political statement, not a military one. ... Tomahawk, when used in most military scenarios, is a brutally effective weapon at doing certain things. ... As in the past, whether it be a collection of tents in Afghanistan, a pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan or a retaliatory strike for a no-fly zone violation in Iraq, the Tomahawk cruise missile has become the punitive weapon of choice. It’s fired from a safe distance, risking no American lives, and presenting the appearance of someone doing something vital.

When you want to do nothing, but look like you are doing something, send a Tomahawk—or 59.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/why-firing-tomahawk-missiles-at-syria-was-a-nearly-usel-1794113103


That last summary is from a military, not diplomatic, viewpoint of course. Was this mostly a show and distraction from charges of collusion for the American people, using this latest sarin tragedy as an excuse, or has Rump's relationship with Putin genuinely changed?

King_Klonopin

(1,305 posts)
63. They are GPS guided, from what I understand.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 06:44 AM
Apr 2017

Hard to make excuses for missing their intended targets because they can hit the
roof of my house, if so desired by the US Navy. They landed exactly where intended.

Trump and Putin devised this plan:

1) Lob 50 Tomahawk missiles into Syria (after telling everybody in the vicinity to screw)
2) Blow up random, empty buildings and dirt in the desert, causing minimal real damage.
3) Make sure not to cause any military casualties (civilians don't matter.)
4) Trump claims that he did "something" against Assad and that Obama did nothing.
5) Trump gets to pretend that he is not beholding to Putin.
6) Trump gets a distraction from Russia investigation and Rep. Nunes being shown the door.
7) We all get to pay the bill of $ 100,000,000.
8) Raytheon gets a rise in their stock price (wonder which staff member profited from this?)

Hurray for America !!!!

xor

(1,204 posts)
67. I wish I could say you're craaaazy
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:20 AM
Apr 2017

but it does seem like a very likely possibility that things are similar to what you laid out.

The one thing that I hoped Trump would do is keep to the idea of not interfering anymore in Syria (even if it turns out to be for show)

Response to hatrack (Reply #2)

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
6. Well, how about that?
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:39 PM
Apr 2017

I wonder if any of the military personnel involved will ever spill the beans on what their orders were? I'm sure destroying it wouldn't have been a problem if that was the mission.

truthisfreedom

(23,113 posts)
7. Non-stop embarrassment. Of course, he'll hail it as a glorious victory.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:43 PM
Apr 2017

An amazing accomplishment to cap off his first "13 weeks", which has actually only been 11 insufferably long ones.

What do we expect from mister bankrupt?

BumRushDaShow

(127,308 posts)
10. So does Fareed still think that
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:57 PM
Apr 2017

"Donald Trump became President tonight (sic)" or will he now accept the fact that Drumpf only plays one on teevee?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Zakaria thought this showed Rump was understanding
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:24 PM
Apr 2017

and accepting some of the same realities that all previous presidents did, setting aside, to some degree anyway, the warped Infowars-type notions he assumed office with.

It was not an expression of admiration, but of evolution.

Of course, we now suspect our Swindler-in-Chief acted as dishonestly and dysfunctionally as always. No change.

BumRushDaShow

(127,308 posts)
47. What Zakaria and others like him need to understand
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:16 PM
Apr 2017

is that Drumpf's primary goal is maintaining his businesses AND his "brand". This Presidentin' thing is nothing more than the latest in a conveyor belt of cons and grifting that he has participated in for over 4 decades - all to enrich himself.

IMHO (and I have posted this before) - he ran for this office (as he did before) on a lark. Essentially as an "out-of-the-box" try at something "different" to advance his name (and brand) around the world. He succeeded in getting billions of dollars of free advertising out of it, while he blatantly conned the media to attend "events" where he then proceeded to segue right into an infomercial for one of his properties. And by the time the media realized they had been "had", it was too late because his "marketing strategy" had worked.

His continual taunting of the media and restricting their access is nothing more than brute-force manufacturing the impression that he is a "rare commodity" in high demand, thus further increasing the "value" of his brand.

The fact that he won the office (thanks to Putin) meant that all of a sudden, he would be expected to do the job. But he can't, so he won't... as much as the M$M keeps thinking he will (even if he has the legal power, he really doesn't care about whatever they shove at him to sign because he is set for life).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. They all understand that and much more just fine.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:25 PM
Apr 2017

Zakaria is not just extremely intelligent, educated, and experienced, he's also extremely well connected. He and others like him have sources and information we do not, and it always amazes me when outside amateurs are so incredibly delusional as to imagine they know and understand more than wired-in professionals do.

In this case, I strongly doubt this brilliant person heads of state choose to interview them would have said the same thing later on as this developed. But at that time he thought he saw the same pattern Obama and other presidents displayed as they transitioned from the ignorance of outsider candidates to the desk where the buck stopped.

And, again, anyone who imagines this statement indicates a new respect for Rump is being very foolish. NO intelligent people can or do respect Rump.

BumRushDaShow

(127,308 posts)
50. One can be "book smart"
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 07:43 PM
Apr 2017

without having any "common sense" smarts or any sense of (or insistence on a scotoma regarding) the cultural oddities of the United States. One cannot compare what he did to what Obama did (or other Presidents for that matter) when one refuses to deal with the vast history of the Drumpf family during their brief presence in this country (the earliest being the 1880s), as well as just the last 40+ years of controversy after controversy after controversy.

Those who are multi-generational Americans know the Drumpf type and Zakaria's naivety will hopefully be reduced if he would start over and do some research on where this man is coming from.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Rump is an interesting example of someone incapable
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:14 PM
Apr 2017

of recognizing intelligence and knowledge in others. Remember how all our people in high offices were "stupid"? How he understood much more than "the generals" and believed that he could "fix" what they could not because he had a basic inborn brilliance that no one else does?

This problem of perception is what I am talking about. To a lesser degree, of course.

world wide wally

(21,719 posts)
39. Then who was thT asshole signing all the EO's that stripped America of anything decent
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:10 PM
Apr 2017

we have done over the last 8 years?
Was their an imposter on the loose, or is all that okay now because of some fake bombing?

I thought Fareed knew the word "bullshit"

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
11. Orangey ain't smart enough to light the fuse on a firecracker
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 03:57 PM
Apr 2017

That said, I'm CERTAIN he left the where, the how and the when up to the military to decide. I doubt "Dummy" has even a clue as to how a cruise missile does what it does or how one might program one to hit specific tsrgets! I mean, let's be real here - while I agree he might have asked the military to proceed with a retaliatory strike for the gas attacks - that would be the extent of his involvement.

It always gets me that the general thinking is that a raid's success lays in the president's lap. For instance, when our forces took out bin Laden..... Does anyone here think that the attack was actively under direction of Obama and all those gathered in the situation room??? I can just imagine Obama speaking to the troops on the ground: "OK, now Corporal Smith - you and private Hailey go thru that garden gate and provide cover for the team that's going inside! Keep your heads down! We want you all back safe and sound!"

NOT!

I'm not defending our idiot-in-chief in ANY way. But beyond his saying "Go", he had nothing to do with the effectiveness or failure of what the military did.

FailureToCommunicate

(13,989 posts)
12. The drone footage seems to show NO damage to hangers or strip. Only some random craters away from
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:04 PM
Apr 2017

structures.

Very expensive charade. Like everything he does.

IronLionZion

(45,258 posts)
15. Our tax dollars at work
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:17 PM
Apr 2017

this is why we need to cut meals on wheels and the EPA.

While liberal cucks are whining about glaciers melting and refugees dying, the alpha males are creating new craters in the desert to help the Syrian people to seek shelter from the sarin gas.



Who knows the cost of 1 tomahawk cruise missile? Don't have anything in your mouth when you google it or you might choke.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
19. Obviously
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:37 PM
Apr 2017

Another one of those generals' faults.

Wanna bet this was deliberate? All for show.

I mean, really. Disclaimer. I'm not a military person. But really. You'd think you could destroy runways completely with 59 cruise missiles. So, if this new information is true, our military is astounding inept (a bit frightening when you substitute nuclear weapons for cruise missiles) or this was deliberate. I'm betting the latter.

Remember how 45 was presidential after his speech a few weeks ago? That lasted a day or two. Now he's presidential again (not). I wonder how long that will last. I just gotta believe the Chinese premier will be snickering all through dinner.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
64. TLAMs are not the weapon to take out runways
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 10:01 AM
Apr 2017

Military runways are engineered to be extremely difficult to put out of action. Extremely thick reinforced concrete that require big heavy gravity bombs dropped from high altitude.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
65. Well
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:27 PM
Apr 2017

Since planes were in the air the next day, perhaps they should have gone after the runways of gone a better job targeting the aircraft.

So the mission might have accomplished the objective. That's good. But the objectives might have been wrong or incomplete. That's not good.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
66. What was the stated goal of the mission?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:46 PM
Apr 2017

I think it was a warning more than anything else. They didn't want to use manned aircraft because of the risk.

BigOleDummy

(2,260 posts)
23. The photos
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:48 PM
Apr 2017

I saw seemed to show the runway not hit at all, just some of the buildings near it. Of course, we couldn't allow anything to happen to Mr. Putin's infrastructure now could we .......? Even AFTER warning them about the strike I guess we (meaning Trump's band of traitors and bootlickers), couldn't take a chance on actually hurting anything they needed, huh?

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
24. Fox & Russia/war whores inflame fake conflict
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:54 PM
Apr 2017

Fox reports "major" damage.

Russian PM or president (depending on the year) Medvedev bullshits about "now completely ruined relationship".

Tillerson admits no change to policy whatever the f*** that means.

Meanwhile, the damage seems largely limited to aircraft hangars.

If Syria does another bombing (w/Russia's blessing), what's Trump going to do then? He has to get congressional approval at some point.

This seems like a desperate plea for bigger approval ratings from a ratings obsessed incompetent narcissist, and an equally desperate way to distract from the Russian investigation now gaining steam.

Someone tell this pathetic reptile Real estate developer hack to resign before he causes real damage.

P.S. - FUCK Republicans. Fuck Republican voters.







jpak

(41,742 posts)
25. Cheeto tipped off the Russians - who tipped off the Iranians and Syrians
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 04:57 PM
Apr 2017

Cheeto did not spend our tax $$$ wisely

nope

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
27. Oh well good I'm so glad we fired 4 dozen tomahawk misses into that airport
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:03 PM
Apr 2017

completely destroying it's capability to wage war against its own citizens.

This fucking administration is more bush-League than the actual Bush-league...think about that for just long second. . .

Yep Republicans found a candidate even dumber and more incompetent than Jr. This must be their idea of revenge on America for electing That Black Man.

JesterCS

(1,827 posts)
29. From what I've read in a few places, only 29ish of the 60 missiles
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:09 PM
Apr 2017

Hit the target. That's some pretty spectacular failure rate given how advanced GPS is these days

EX500rider

(10,531 posts)
54. According to the Russians....I highly doubt their info...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:46 PM
Apr 2017

Tomahawks are mature systems, unlikely to have a 50% failure rate. Also unlikely they were shot down at a 100m & 500mph.

Scruffy1

(3,239 posts)
30. it reminds me of the paid for air strike in Catch 22.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:12 PM
Apr 2017

They clear the base of all personnel and stage an air raid. Of course in World War 2 the allies quickly learned it was useless bombing air bases. They can fill in the holes in a few days at most and there is so little infrastructure for the amount of area that facility damage is usually minimal. I think Putin ordered to make 45 look like he's a stand up guy.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
42. I was thinking of the scene from Conrad's Heart of Darkness where
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 06:22 PM
Apr 2017

Marlowe witnesses the French man-of-war firing blindly into the African land mass. But I think you picked the better literary analogue.

MuseRider

(34,058 posts)
31. Nice shootin' Tex.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:13 PM
Apr 2017

I am very happy nobody was hurt. Warplanes? Well, it would have been nice to blow up all things used to blow up people and their lives but then again, this was not about war or "precious babies" it was about distraction. Great show, BIG show, FABULOUS show. Y'all come back now ya'hear?

This asshole is playing with fire without a weapon (brain) and we are going to suffer and others will suffer even more and we will be hated even more than before Trump planted his creepy ass in the Oval Office. All for a show to keep him in power. Watch his eyes when he talks about those babies. He was not thinking about the babies he was thinking about how he looked talking about being upset by the babies. None of this has anything to do with anything but him. I barely made it through W**, this may kill me.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
32. It wasn't just for show...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:25 PM
Apr 2017

Actually, Trump's construction company has the contract to rebuild the airfield, which was badly in need of modernization anyway.

That was just a demolition phase before reconstruction.

lark

(23,003 posts)
34. So now, instead of fake news, Hair Furor is making fake war.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:32 PM
Apr 2017

So glad at least some of the media is catching on. I was just at CNN and MSNBC and neither of them are reporting anything about Drumpf telling Russia who told Syria. Neither are either of them reporting that planes that somehow "miraculously" survive this strong (ha!) bombing effort are flying strikes against his people today. I loved in the CNN pictures, it shows a plane in a bunker at the airfield, clearly not hit or even damaged. This proves the whole thing is just a distraction from him and Russia to throw us off their colluding, parallel tracks.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
37. WTF?
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 05:48 PM
Apr 2017

I'm an American first. This result is fucking infuriating.

If your going to send a message KNOCK THE BASE OUT!

So he sent in a strike where they could fill in the pot holes and keep going?

Better to have done nothing....

What an ass hat!

keithbvadu2

(36,364 posts)
58. Trump decides to strike Syria ... and then;
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:53 PM
Apr 2017

Trump decides to strike Syria ... and then;

Trump forewarns Putin.

Putin forewarns Syria.

Syria moves weapons, aircraft and equipment away from strike zone.

Thursday... Trump strikes Syrian air base with many Tomahawks to show how tough he is.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/warplanes-from-syrian-base-hit-by-us-just-carried-out-airstrikes-in-homs/

Friday... Syrian warplanes took off from the airbase struck Thursday night by U.S. cruise missiles

Wonder if critical parts of the air base were really targeted?

Boy, that sure showed Assad, eh?

Are they giving out points in this game?

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
59. Perhaps we need some confirmation of the Raw Story tweets...
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 10:07 PM
Apr 2017

So far no major media outlet has picked up this story, as far as I can tell. And the claim that it's from Reuters appears to be false; there's nothing on the Reuters website about it.

As for the runways not being destroyed... I heard one commentator on the news last night remarking that runways can be repaired rather quickly. But destroyed planes, equipment, and buildings can take much longer to recover from.

Mind you, not defending Trump or the US raid, it just seems premature to declare it a bust based on incomplete and/or non-corroborated information.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
61. I have since seen that the Daily Mail as well as "The Week" have also covered this story.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:45 AM
Apr 2017

And the Russians are saying that only 29 of the 59 missiles found their mark.

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