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bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:25 AM Jul 2012

America's first ever commercial scale tidal generator launching in Maine

Last edited Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Associated Press

EASTPORT — What's being called the country's first commercial-scale tidal power generator is being launched in eastern Maine.

Ocean Renewable Power Co. 's first fully assembled turbine generator unit, 100 feet long, about 15 feet high and rigged with long, curved turbine foils, is to become operational in August and connected to the grid to deliver electricity to Maine consumers starting in October.

Ocean Renewable President Chris Sauer says Tuesday's dedication marks the end of eight years of hard work and fundraising. Sauer has called Eastport the "Kitty Hawk" of tidal energy.

U. S. Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, who helped secure funding for the project, calls it "a monumental achievement."

U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud of Maine says the project will help increase the nation's energy independence.

Read more: http://www.sunjournal.com/news/maine/2012/07/24/tidal-generator-being-launched-maine/1227589?utm_source=Sun+Journal+List&utm_campaign=de641db84c-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email



A little good news for a change.

There is nothing more at the link.

A much better source with pictures here: http://bangordailynews.com/2012/07/24/news/down-east/nations-first-underwater-tidal-turbine-dedicated-in-eastport/

(Thank you, petronius!)
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America's first ever commercial scale tidal generator launching in Maine (Original Post) bluedigger Jul 2012 OP
From sea to shining sea!! Let's do it! nt MADem Jul 2012 #1
What is in place to prevent the fishes from becoming chum? Anything? RC Jul 2012 #2
It's 100 feet long. How many fish can it 'chum'. We're better off with an oil spill I suppose. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #3
It doesn't spin around like a salad shooter. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #9
It sort of does, and it will absolutely kill larger sea life. Xithras Jul 2012 #14
Smaller fish will pass right through it, no problem. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #19
Aquatic creatures have survival instincts too and will surly avoid this thing. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #20
Doh ! yesphan Jul 2012 #18
Simple cheap solution - stick a net in front of it. dmallind Jul 2012 #17
Or better yet, a bunch of lobster pots. bluedigger Jul 2012 #22
since Maine is also a fishery, yes, they care magical thyme Jul 2012 #23
Bay of Fundy - Highest tides in the world: pinto Jul 2012 #4
I've been fascinated with that place since I first learned about it. NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #5
I live not far from the eastern end of that, the tides are pretty bonkers. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #7
Same here! KamaAina Jul 2012 #26
Lots of people think these projects are HARMFUL to sea life.... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #6
kr DonRedwood Jul 2012 #8
Fascinating! That's great news... petronius Jul 2012 #10
That is a much better source - thanks! bluedigger Jul 2012 #11
it will be encrusted by mollusks and other sea life. wonder how long it will run in that case nt msongs Jul 2012 #12
I have similar concerns. bluedigger Jul 2012 #13
No generator is maintenance-free. Orsino Jul 2012 #15
Obviously. bluedigger Jul 2012 #16
Not the routine maintenance. Orsino Jul 2012 #25
Bum info Brother Buzz Jul 2012 #24
Damn you had me excited for a minute. :( obxhead Jul 2012 #21

democrat_patriot

(2,774 posts)
3. It's 100 feet long. How many fish can it 'chum'. We're better off with an oil spill I suppose.
Reply to RC (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jul 2012

My concern is any noise it gives off, hurting dolphins / whales.



Xithras

(16,191 posts)
14. It sort of does, and it will absolutely kill larger sea life.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jul 2012

There's no point in sugarcoating it. There are videos of their system up on Youtube (skip to the 55 second mark):


These videos show how fast this things spins. Small fish aren't going to have any problem, but any sea life of any real size that wanders into this thing is going to get chummed. Nothing longer than a foot could survive it.

It's really the same issue as windmills. They unquestionably cause severe harm to the environment and wildlife in their immediate vicinity, but the real question is whether their benefits outweigh that cost and harm. EVERY form of power generation is going to do harm, so the question shouldn't be whether it harms wildlife, but whether it harms wildlife LESS than the other forms of power generation we're already using.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. Smaller fish will pass right through it, no problem.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jul 2012

Larger fish/sea lions and such should have no problem avoiding it.

Any studies that show it is a problem for sea life in the field?

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
20. Aquatic creatures have survival instincts too and will surly avoid this thing.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jul 2012

It does not spin that fast either. Why not surround it with something?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
23. since Maine is also a fishery, yes, they care
Reply to RC (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:41 PM
Jul 2012

I read a few years back about the research going into this. Potential impact on fish was definitely a concern.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. I've been fascinated with that place since I first learned about it.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jul 2012

45 foot tides, or something like that.

Imagine the potential for generation.



ETA link to book where I read about it years ago: http://www.amazon.com/Waves-wind-weather-practical-navigator/dp/0679507531/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1343231113&sr=1-4&keywords=wind+waves+and+weather

Also in that book, and fascinating:

Where the weather, air temps and water temps are below freezing, snow drifts can build up on the high seas.

The snow doesn't melt because of the high temps, and the salt water doesn't freeze because of the high salinity.

I would love to see big snow drifts on the high seas!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
26. Same here!
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

I envisioned a whole town growing up around it, with the cheap electricity used to power everything from heaters to industrial plants (Eastport is also a deep-water port!) to buses.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. Lots of people think these projects are HARMFUL to sea life....
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jul 2012

And these people are invariably ignorant about the big picture around energy production.

On April 16th, 2009, I attended a hearing in SF with Ken Salazar, Barbara Boxer, Lynn Woolsey, and others.

The question related to whether or not to STUDY development of RENEWABLES on the OCS, (Outer Continental Shelf).

The ignorance and fear of Boxer and Woolsey was very apparent, and it made me sad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8389088&mesg_id=8389098

A lot of fear and misinformation on OUR side really impedes progress.

K/R

petronius

(26,602 posts)
10. Fascinating! That's great news...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jul 2012

Here's a picture of the thing:



http://bangordailynews.com/2012/07/24/news/down-east/nations-first-underwater-tidal-turbine-dedicated-in-eastport/

I'd be surprised if it was able to spin fast enough to 'chop' a fish - and fish are quite adept at dealing with surge and turbulence. If anything, that bottom support structure looks like it will provide some habitat (they ought to build in nooks for lobsters! )

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
13. I have similar concerns.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe they are not permanent installations but can be raised to the surface for periodic maintenance.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
15. No generator is maintenance-free.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:00 PM
Jul 2012

Presumably, this thing was designed to withstand a saltwater environment, but it will require regular inspection, cleaning and repair.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
16. Obviously.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:07 PM
Jul 2012

I think it's a pretty safe assumption that it was designed for a salt water environment. It would be much easier and safer if routine maintenance was done at the surface or on dry land, wouldn't it?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
25. Not the routine maintenance.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:44 PM
Jul 2012

Any veteran know that preventive maintenance starts in situ, and any auto mechanic knows that much can be done before a car need to be jacked up.

A lot of other repairs can be done pluck-'n'-chuck style, in which a module is replaced with a hot swap, and the faulty unit is taken back to a depot or simply discarded/recycled.

If all maintenance had to be done on dry land, that'd be a poor design or a prototype.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
21. Damn you had me excited for a minute. :(
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jul 2012

I was ready to go pick one up for my next camping trip to the OBX.

It is great news though, K&R

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