Israeli intelligence 'boiling mad' over Trump disclosure: report

[orangecrush]

Last edited Tue May 16, 2017, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Washington Post

Israeli intelligence officers are "boiling mad and demanding answers" after President Trump reportedly shared classified information from Israel with Russia, according to a new report.

Two Israeli intelligence officers confirmed to BuzzFeed Tuesday that Israel had shared specific intelligence with the U.S. about Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) plots to smuggle explosive laptops onto planes.

"We have an arrangement with America which is unique to the world of intelligence sharing," one intelligence officer told BuzzFeed. "We do not have this relationship with any other country."

"To know that this intelligence is shared with others, without our prior knowledge? That is, for us, our worst fears confirmed," the officer added.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/333670-israeli-intelligence-boiling-mad-at-trump-report%3Famp

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Damage to our interests incalculable.

[nycbos]

1. Of course they are.

Mossad has worked with us hand in hand for decades.

I am sure we have shared information with them that has prevented terrorist attacks in Israel and they have shared information with us that has prevented terrorism here.

And now they can't trust their close ally.

[orangecrush]

6. This creates a real problem

Will Mossad look for people they can trust in the intelligence community who can work around 45?

[nycbos]

9. I hope so.

Israel is essential for our counter-terrorism strategy.

And it is not just Israel. Our other allies might not want to share information either.


We have an intelligence gathering agreement with the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand called Five Eyes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

What do you think their intelligence officials are thinking now?

[orangecrush]

11. They are probably thinking

That America is totally screwed, and they need to start worrying about themselves without our help.

[jmowreader]

34. It can be either Four Eyes or Five Eyes

New Zealand doesn't allow any nuclear materials into its territory, extending out to their statutory maritime boundaries. The US refuses to confirm or deny the presence of nuclear materials on its warships. So...every few years the New Zealanders get pissy about it and refuse to let our ships dock in their ports, and in return we refuse to share information with them.

[onit2day]

52. The world will not hold us in good light till

We stop trump and dump Trump, the child president and pathological liar.

[Doodley]

2. "We HAD an arrangement with America which WAS unique to the world of intelligence sharing."

[orangecrush]

3. I believe

Your tense is correct.

[irisblue]

35. Uh yeah ,would seem so

[Scarsdale]

59. Halt any intelligence briefings

to the orange menace, until we have the impeachment proceedings started. Is he still taking the grand tour of the Middle East, and other places? He will not be well received. This will make the Romney fiasco fade in comparison. I know for a fact, the British HATE the guy, even more than Dubya.

[erronis]

61. Time for other foreign intelligence agencies to start feeding false/traceable items

We all know that everyone does it when you are looking for the mole. Now it can be done to the "biggest", "best", "most terrific", "fattest" mole of all!

Hell, even the US agencies could start playing with this clown. Maybe they already are.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. Almost as if done by design.

[yardwork]

36. If so, Trump was duped. This will infuriate some big donors.

I can see Putin setting him up by having one of the visitors raise the topic. The Russians know that Trump would inevitably brag.

[orangecrush]

8. So no one gives a crap

About recieving warnings of possible terror attacks on U.S. soil from the intelligence agency with the most resources in the Middle East (friendly to us.)

See ya.

[Dopers_Greed]

7. Chump pissed off Israel?

Now the far right will finally abandon him.

[nycbos]

15. It was only a matter of time.

He seems to piss of an ally every week.



We can now add Israel to the list that includes Germany, Australia, United Kingdom, Canada and Mexico.


Other folks should feel free to add countries I have missed.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Turkey

but only recently (re: Kurds).

[denverbill]

17. Fat chance. Being in bed with Russia didn't phase them.

They are more likely to become anti-Israel than anti-Trump at this point. After all, they are now pro-Russia, and Russia is pro-Assad and pro-Iran. They are about one crazy Tweet from hating Israel as well.

[Doodley]

18. That should be comedy gold, if it wasn't true!

[IronLionZion]

28. It should at least split the RWers

since the pro-Israel crowd won't like this.

[yardwork]

37. Not Sheldon Adelson and others. I wonder if the Russians did this on purpose.

See upthread for Eliot Rosewater's thought.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Much of the far right is anti-semitic, eg David Duke (and possibly Bannon)

and Richard Spencer: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/361618/richard-spencer-by-my-definition-jews-arent-european-or-white/

[Dopers_Greed]

31. They are anti-Semitic, but also anti-Islam

Their heads are probably spinning now.

[SpankMe]

10. Oh, holy crap!

You mean it was Israel's intel that First Asshole was sharing with the Russians??!! I didn't know that 'til just now.

That's bad. Way bad. Israel is our most important ally in terms of middle east intel. They've got in-roads.

If Dems were in the majority and were 1/100th this careless and corrupt, the Cons would be all over this and looking for sedition charges.

I can't believe what's going on. I just can't believe that 75% of the country isn't asking for his head loudly right now. People have forgotten what betrayal looks like. And the Repubs aren't going to remind them - like they would if things were the other way around.

I hear ex-POTUSes get to have some insight into classified intel even after they're out of office. I wonder what Obama's getting and what he thinks?

On edit:

I almost forgot - Republicans are motherfuckers.

[orangecrush]

12. People in OUR intelligence agencies

Are probably hitting the roof over this.

[bora13]

22. what do you want

for fake news? this is all an attempt by t-rump and Inc. to
force his anti-press agenda on the world by ultimately trolling then striking.

Most likely without any resistance in Congress or courts, he will come down
brutally on M$M (especially WaPo, CNN, NYT, etc.)

After that Martial Law.

[riversedge]

13. Once again, Trumps big ego took over and blabber-mouthed what he knew to show off!

[oberliner]

14. Another moment to imagine the RW response if HRC had done this

Just imagine.

[Mr. Ected]

16. If the Republicans in Congress don't take prompt action on this

The Secret Service may have its hands full protecting Trump. He poses a direct threat to millions and millions of people around the world, and the IC don't mess around.

[left-of-center2012]

19. Isn't Trump going to Israel soon?

Might not be 'good times'.

[dchill]

20. Maybe he shouldn't even go there.

I've heard that they know how to get even.

[orangecrush]

21. ...

[C_U_L8R]

23. They aren't going to let this go.

Neither is the Israel lobby.
They should give Republicans the bum's rush.

[orangecrush]

24. The Mossad has

"methods"

[Raster]

32. Hopefully Addelson is strongly reconsidering his support for tRump* and the GOP

[IronLionZion]

27. Is this the straw that breaks the camel's back?

He's done so many outrageous things that should have finished him off. This may finally be the one.

[MBS]

29. My thoughts as well. n/t

[Coventina]

44. I've given up hope.

[red dog 1]

30. I wonder how this will affect Trump's visit to Israel next week?

The Israelis already have plans to deploy 10,000 police officers to protect him.
(Now, they may need to deploy 10,000 more)

K&R

[Virtual Burlesque]

51. How this will affect Trump's visit to Israel next week?

The Israelis already have plans to deploy 10,000 police officers to protect him.
(Now, they may not need to deploy more than 10.)



FIFY

[red dog 1]

58. Now, they way not WANT to deploy more than 10

Welcome to DU!

[Jane Austin]

33. Good. n/t

[genxlib]

38. Is it wrong that I have little sympathy for them

They have their own asshole in charge who has done a lot of damage to Obama/Hillary and helped get us to this point.

Maybe we can have a twofer impeachment and set the relationship back on the right course.

[northoftheborder]

42. !!!

[dawn frenzy adams]

45. Agree.

I think Netanyahu and the Likuds loved the idea of a Trump presidency. American presidents have been the useful idiots of Israel for 50 years. But Trump, would be the king of useful idiots. Frankly, I'd like to see the friendship with Israel end. It is a friendship that has cost us dearly.

[Virtual Burlesque]

54. If Trump gets to publically shake hands with Netanyahu

That will make for an awfully dense concentration of stupid and evil all in one place.

[SCVDem]

62. Are you calling Obama a useful idiot?

I don't think so!

[BlueMTexpat]

49. +1! eom

[NewRedDawn]

39. Well this was crooked BiBis boy.

Trump was Bibis chosen one for President.

[Cary]

40. I have experienced Israelies and classified information

They take this very, very seriously--as they should.

[Honeycombe8]

41. But they looooooove the Orange Clown.

[Achilleaze]

43. Republicans are pissing away America's security

As if they didn't give a shit about it at all. Deplorable

[tammywammy]

46. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[orangecrush]

47. Bad move

On 45s part.

[NCjack]

48. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[lark]

50. Hey little murderer, how do you like your BFF drumpf now.

Lie down with dogs and you get fleas, asshole. You should have believed the former, adult, president, Obama and not shared really sensitive information with Russia, err Russia's puppet.

[NastyRiffraff]

53. Ye gods. He pissed off Mossad

I hope somebody tells him just how dangerous that is. I DON'T want him assassinated so he can be a martyr; I want him out of office and in prison, completely humiliated.

Meanwhile, former Massad officials speak out:

Shabtai Shavit, who led the Mossad in the 1990s, said that were he in charge of the intelligence organization today, he would not be inclined to share more information with his American counterparts.

“If tomorrow I were asked to pass information to the CIA, I would do everything I could to not pass it to them. Or I would first protect myself and only then give it, and what I’d give would be totally neutered,” Shavit told The Times of Israel in a phone interview.
(snip)
Another former head of the Mossad, Danny Yatom, said Israel should penalize the US over Trump’s leak because his acts could endanger Israeli sources.

“We need to punish the Americans, it’s possible, so that we don’t put Trump in a position where he is again tempted, we need to abstain from transferring information to him, or to only give him partial information so that he can’t endanger any source,” said Yatom, who headed the spy agency between 1999 and 2001.The Times of Israel

[orangecrush]

55. Our intelligence services

Could have
prevented all of this by exposing 45 pre election.

But, I might be mistaken...

[Sunlei]

56. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[karynnj]

57. My concern is what can Israel demand from Trump in private for him to get back in Bibi's good graces

and what could that mean for US policy. The only three things I can think of are:

1) For Trump not to make the decision to keep the capital in Tel Aviv. In the next two weeks, he has to make that determination because of legislation that Congress passed back in the 1990s that called for moving the capital to Jerusalem, unless US national security was better leaving it where it is. This will further inflame the middle east and Trump actually thinks he can make middle eastern peace.

2) For the US to add back sanctions removed in the Iran Deal - pulling the US out of it. Note that where this may sound like a Republican goal anyway, Israeli intelligence is said to prefer that deal stay in place.

3) The US drops any discussion of the settlements - other than apologizing for Obama's UN abstention and Kerry's speech. Maybe throw in threatening sanctions on any country that has any type of BDS policy. Again, this will anger the Arab world.

[roscoeroscoe]

60. Good point

Stupid decisions following stupid acts.

Naturally.