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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:38 AM May 2017

Macron says long Trump handshake 'not innocent'

Source: Politico



Holding onto U.S. president’s hand showed he won’t make even small concessions, French leader explains.

By KAIT BOLONGARO 5/28/17, 11:30 AM CET Updated 5/28/17, 12:43 PM CET

French President Emmanuel Macron said his extended handshake with Donald Trump before a NATO summit was “not innocent” and intended to show he did not make even small concessions.

In an interview with the Journal du Dimanche published on Sunday, the French leader said his interaction with the American head of state was “a moment of truth.”

“My handshake with him was not innocent,” Macron said. “We need to show that we won’t make small concessions, even symbolic ones, while not overhyping things either.”

In the interview, Macron went on to compare Trump’s attitude to power with that of Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. “Donald Trump, the Turkish president or the Russian president believe in the logic of the trial of strength, which doesn’t bother me. I don’t believe in the diplomacy of public invective, but in my bilateral dialogues, I don’t let anything pass, that is how we are respected,” he said.

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Read more: http://www.politico.eu/article/macron-says-long-trump-handshake-not-innocent/

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Macron says long Trump handshake 'not innocent' (Original Post) DonViejo May 2017 OP
His IQ is double 45's. truthisfreedom May 2017 #1
Only 120? George II May 2017 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author LOL Lib May 2017 #6
Nice! LOL Lib May 2017 #8
Heehee MFM008 May 2017 #13
That would be 90 Bucky May 2017 #12
I had to google Trump's IQ.....he is at 156 (genius) while Barrack Obama is only a 102. LOL putitinD May 2017 #21
i doubt trump has that high of an IQ..and we know how he likes to reverse numbers. samnsara May 2017 #22
I doubt Trump's IQ is higher than 90. And I know Obama's IQ is at least 140. putitinD May 2017 #24
IQ is irrelevant. Trumpy can't out-think his crazy. Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #27
+++++++++ AGREE iluvtennis May 2017 #53
my daughter is severely retarded and she is smarter than trump demigoddess May 2017 #55
My 3 yr old granddaughter is more articulate (larger vocabulary) and empathetic. Truly. Alice11111 May 2017 #57
Hard to believe Obama's I.Q. is only average (and only in mid range average at that). maddiemom May 2017 #25
Alternative facts. putitinD May 2017 #26
Woops. Missed your irony. maddiemom May 2017 #40
P.S. There is also E.Q. (emotional quotient) to consider in someones' ability and potential maddiemom May 2017 #29
Trump's EQ must be... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #41
Ha ha! Even if true, it's obvious that what you DO with your IQ... Beartracks May 2017 #28
From what I've heard, size really DOES matter ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #48
How would anyone know this? Mz Pip May 2017 #32
Isn't it amazing what you can find on the internet--and how much of it is pure BS Hekate May 2017 #33
That number refers only to the murielm99 May 2017 #46
Ummm ... there's something very ironic going on right here ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #49
... tavernier May 2017 #59
That does strike me as an alternative fact. IQ is kind of a strange thing to measure, PatrickforO May 2017 #35
A couple of points kristopher May 2017 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author PatrickforO May 2017 #43
I deleted my old post because I didn't read your message correctly. PatrickforO May 2017 #44
I found it worth pondering,but its 3am,I can't sleep, so I had 3 oz wine& a Colo Turtle Brownie I Alice11111 May 2017 #58
Trump could have a 156 IQ and still be like he is. A person has to apply themselves. LiberalArkie May 2017 #37
Snopes.com busted that fake news about Trump's IQ MrPurple May 2017 #45
Trump is an idiot Gothmog May 2017 #3
"Bilateral", "dialogue", "invective" - that will confuse the don DrDan May 2017 #4
Oh, there's no f***ing way Trump would've even read through the entire quote ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #50
Macron speaks better English than our native born a** Pres eom LittleGirl May 2017 #5
That could likely be said... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #11
true. eom LittleGirl May 2017 #14
He probably does, but this was a French interview and Politico translated the answer to English karynnj May 2017 #16
I have a crush on Macron, and Trudeau! northoftheborder May 2017 #7
So do I. They are the future. roamer65 May 2017 #9
And zentrum May 2017 #17
Me too. HelenWheels May 2017 #19
Macaron is my idol!!!!! It's nice to see a man in charge of a country onecent May 2017 #10
"the diplomacy of public invective" unblock May 2017 #15
Loved that too! BlueMTexpat May 2017 #31
It was a small thing but he he really did bully Trump the way Trump bullies Maraya1969 May 2017 #18
Macron stood up to the bully. There's a difference. Hekate May 2017 #34
While I admire the show of strength, there is also a concern of increasing isolation from the more JudyM May 2017 #20
No one seems to have recognized that trump, once again operating from Enoki33 May 2017 #23
Yes, dictatorship is what he wants american_ideals May 2017 #30
Yes but he is also influenced/motivated by approval behaviors. So it may only be a matter of scope JudyM May 2017 #39
Impressive. He's eloquent, too. A leader with a brain and decorum? I've forgotten already. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #36
And here I thought the overly long hand hold meant they were going steady... Rollo May 2017 #38
Vive la France! BigmanPigman May 2017 #47
Macron just Out-Trolled the Troll King himself ... the torch is clearly passed ... mr_lebowski May 2017 #51
Did anyone else run over to the Mensa IQ page? YOHABLO May 2017 #52
"At 15, Macron had the maturity of a 25-year-old" dalton99a May 2017 #54
So "talking with the teachers" is what the kids are calling it these days. Heh. WinkyDink May 2017 #60
Love that Macron did it; ADORE he verified it in the press! Eom Lyricalinklines May 2017 #56

Response to George II (Reply #2)

putitinD

(1,551 posts)
21. I had to google Trump's IQ.....he is at 156 (genius) while Barrack Obama is only a 102. LOL
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:35 AM
May 2017

more alternative facts, even from google.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
27. IQ is irrelevant. Trumpy can't out-think his crazy.
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:05 AM
May 2017

He's a malevolent narcissist FIRST. No one can get past that. Whether he's got an IQ of 60 or 160, his capacity to inflict evil knows no bounds.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
55. my daughter is severely retarded and she is smarter than trump
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:24 PM
May 2017

She knows babies are precious and you take good care of them.
she knows she can hurt a dog or cat and is very careful with them.
doubt if he ever had those thoughts.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
25. Hard to believe Obama's I.Q. is only average (and only in mid range average at that).
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:55 AM
May 2017

110 is high end point of average. If so, Obama is a super over-achiever. As for Trump's I.Q. being 46 points over average and into genius, he is either the world's worst under achiever, has lost a lot of points to senility, or it just is NOT that high. It's pretty hard to get anyone's valid I.Q., even if that person is close to you.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
29. P.S. There is also E.Q. (emotional quotient) to consider in someones' ability and potential
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:06 AM
May 2017

achievement. I doubt the Donald' s is anywhere near the top there, which could explain a lot.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
28. Ha ha! Even if true, it's obvious that what you DO with your IQ...
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:05 AM
May 2017

... is far important than how big it is.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
48. From what I've heard, size really DOES matter ...
Sun May 28, 2017, 04:58 PM
May 2017

I mean, ladies have endeavored to be nice/tactful throughout history ... but word on the street is that their REAL feeling is: it's tough for men to accomplish anything of real merit when they have tiny ...

You know ...

HANDS.

Mz Pip

(27,430 posts)
32. How would anyone know this?
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:26 AM
May 2017

Who does these IQ tests? How are they administered? How are they even made public?

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
46. That number refers only to the
Sun May 28, 2017, 04:08 PM
May 2017

Stanford-Binet tests, if he actually had one of those tests. The results can vary from year to year in the same person. And, as someone here said, there are other ways of testing intelligence that do not use that system of numbering.

There are Gardner's intelligences, emotional intelligence, and other tests that measure intelligence rather than achievement. Some people may be geniuses in one, and only one area!

Many of the standard tests like the SAT and ACT no longer measure intelligence. They measure achievement. The last time I checked, the Miller Analogy Test still measured intelligence.

156 is a very high number. Few people test that high. I don't believe for one minute that his IQ is that high. Snopes has debunked this, too.

I am a member of Mensa. I have had my IQ tested more than once. I am not going to do it again, because it gets tiresome. I do know that there are a large number of tests that Mensa accepts as prior evidence. The applicant has to provide proof, and the proof has to be less than five years old.

I get tired of this. People do not understand intelligence, how it is measured, and yet they feel free to comment. I have done some reading about intelligence, but I am not an expert either. People lie about their IQ all the time.

I don't care what 45's IQ is. He is a dangerous madman who has some sort of ongoing mental deterioration. In addition, he has an average intelligence.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
49. Ummm ... there's something very ironic going on right here ...
Sun May 28, 2017, 05:00 PM
May 2017

Can't quite put my finger on it though ...

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
35. That does strike me as an alternative fact. IQ is kind of a strange thing to measure,
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:53 AM
May 2017

and many people in the education and psychological communities feel current IQ testing is biased.

That cultural bias shouldn't have affected either Obama or Trump, per se, but there has always been a question in the tests, at least in my own mind, of content validity past a certain age. You see, I've always felt that life and work experience, particularly that real-life experience in problem solving, allows one to get a much higher score than one would have gotten had one taken the test at an earlier age.

In addition, I've never seen the IQ score of a sitting or past POTUS expressed as a result of taking any nationally normed IQ test.

What? Really? Yes, it is true. Virtually all of the IQ scores you'll encounter are 'estimates' based on that president's speeches and actions, and flavored with the bias of the person doing the estimating.

So, when we estimate the IQ of someone like Obama, we see a scale on the low end of 116 and the high end of 150. Now, admittedly I'm biased toward the high end of those estimates based on evidence cited in the linked article - the guy is obviously a genius. To me. In fact to anyone who reads this post, I'd imagine. But ask Rush Limbaugh and you'd get a much lower estimate.

As to Trump, he was a mediocre student at best, but went to good schools. He inherited money from his father, so wasn't smart enough to make his own fortune (if we're going to call that ability 'smart,' which I don't necessarily do). But, he was dumb enough to go bankrupt four times and screw thousands of people and firms to which he owed money, some of whom were forced out of business as a result.

Try for the life of me, I just don't think Trump is that intelligent, except in one area. He is a genius in effective branding and marketing of himself. But, when I consider the plethora of weaknesses in other areas of life, I'm inclined to be on the low end, estimate-wise - maybe 115 to 120.

However, and it is a big however, we have possible mental illness and equally possible early-stage dementia. We also have a habitual laziness in vocabulary that took decades to form - the guy habitually uses maybe 800 words and becomes less articulate as more words become necessary. And he does not read. Those two factors drive what may have a higher IQ in youth down in adulthood.

At 70, Trump has nearly run his course in terms of human life span. So any bright IQ he had as a child or youth is likely to have ratcheted down over decades of laziness, sloppiness and bad habits.

God, what a long post in response to a joke....geez! Sometimes I marvel at my own obtuseness and selective lack of humor.
so here's me waving,

... and here's you, my reader, having an out of body experience if you even made it this far!


kristopher

(29,798 posts)
42. A couple of points
Sun May 28, 2017, 01:51 PM
May 2017

There is a culture/language neutral IQ test using diagrammatic patterns.

Standard IQ tests are evaluated with age as part of the formula so your reasoning on this is correct and incorporated into the testing. The same percentage of correct answers when you are 8 will give you a higher score than when you are 28.

Response to kristopher (Reply #42)

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
44. I deleted my old post because I didn't read your message correctly.
Sun May 28, 2017, 02:48 PM
May 2017

I'm glad to know that age is part of the eval formula.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
37. Trump could have a 156 IQ and still be like he is. A person has to apply themselves.
Sun May 28, 2017, 12:13 PM
May 2017

Trump applied himself to cheating and stealing. He only tried to achieve things that would benefit himself.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
50. Oh, there's no f***ing way Trump would've even read through the entire quote ...
Sun May 28, 2017, 05:06 PM
May 2017

He'd have been lost at the first poly-syllabic word and probably screamed "shut up u stupid surrender monkey!" ... into the cold abyss ...

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
16. He probably does, but this was a French interview and Politico translated the answer to English
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:21 AM
May 2017

What is interesting is that Macron saw Trump's strange handshake behavior for what it clearly is - a way to signal domination. His response clearly angered Trump enough that he apparently tried it twice - failing both times. It is great that both Justin Trudeau and Macron beat Trump at his own game. That both are diplomatic, handsome, younger leaders, who might be seen as their country's Barack Obamas makes it even better.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
10. Macaron is my idol!!!!! It's nice to see a man in charge of a country
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:03 AM
May 2017

that doesn't blink an eye to someone who is "not there" most of the time. I commend you President Macron...you are a man
that stands up to be a man.

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
20. While I admire the show of strength, there is also a concern of increasing isolation from the more
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:29 AM
May 2017

democratic world leaders. tRump is leaning against a citizen-centered political economy already, but being shunned/one-upped makes it more solidly so.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
23. No one seems to have recognized that trump, once again operating from
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:53 AM
May 2017

another page of Putin's playbook, has began trying to lay the groundwork for creating his own tight circle of oligarchs obligated to him with his recent tax reform budget. No one should be surprised by his contempt for our democratic allies and embrace of autocratic leaders. trump Wants nothing less than a dictatorship.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
30. Yes, dictatorship is what he wants
Sun May 28, 2017, 11:23 AM
May 2017

The other autocratic move in this budget is paying off the military. Autocrats always want to cozy up to the military.

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
39. Yes but he is also influenced/motivated by approval behaviors. So it may only be a matter of scope
Sun May 28, 2017, 01:18 PM
May 2017

and timing, but IMO as much as we can delay him, the better off we - and the planet - will be.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
51. Macron just Out-Trolled the Troll King himself ... the torch is clearly passed ...
Sun May 28, 2017, 05:10 PM
May 2017

Hopefully Macron will now do what upstart higher-primate males usually do when they defeat and usurp the previous 'leader' ...

dalton99a

(81,392 posts)
54. "At 15, Macron had the maturity of a 25-year-old"
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:01 PM
May 2017
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-04-19/france-election-2017-what-s-behind-emmanuel-macron-s-story

Teachers’ Pet Macron Wants to Rewrite French Script
Emmanuel Macron rarely speaks about Amiens, where he met his wife — then his high-school drama coach. Now he’s focusing anew on his roots.
by John Follain and Mark Deen
April 18, 2017, 10:00 PM CDT

The son of a neurologist and a pediatrician, Macron was born in Amiens on the River Somme, which was heavily bombed during both world wars. Its economy has been blighted by the closure of a Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. plant in 2014 and job losses at the Whirlpool Corp. appliance factory due next year.

Macron’s bedroom at his house on rue Gaulthier de Rumilly, where he grew up with a younger brother and sister, was dominated by a big bookcase. It was decorated not with posters of rock stars or Che Guevara but with photographs of leading French writers, according to his friend Dartevelle.

The house is in an affluent, southern neighborhood of the city. France’s possible next First Lady, Brigitte Auziere, from a chocolate-making family, lived around the corner. A short walk away is their elite Jesuit school, a sprawling complex where religious studies were optional and which boasts a 750-seat amphitheater and a swimming pool.

“At 15, Macron had the maturity of a 25-year-old,” echoed Daniel Leleu, his ex-sports teacher. “He preferred to spend his time talking with the teachers rather than his classmates.”

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