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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:29 PM May 2017

Brown: 'The rest of the world is against' Trump

Source: Politico



By DAVID SIDERS 05/31/2017 04:10 PM EDT


LOS ANGELES — California Gov. Jerry Brown, one of the nation’s foremost proponents of efforts to address climate change, on Wednesday called President Donald Trump’s planned withdrawal from the Paris climate accord “outrageous,” while predicting the effect of the move will be short-lived.

“This current departure from reality in Washington will be very short-lived, that I promise you,” Brown told POLITICO in an interview. “I’ve spoken with Republicans here in the Legislature, and they’re beginning to get very serious about climate action, so the momentum is all the other way. And I think Trump, paradoxically, is giving climate denial such a bad name that he’s actually building the very movement that he is (purporting) to undermine.” Brown added, “You can’t fight reality with a tweet.”

News of the president’s decision drew ire from Democrats and environmental groups across the country, nowhere more so than in California, where the state Senate hours later passed major climate legislation requiring utilities to obtain 100 percent of their electricity from renewable sources by 2045.

After the vote, state Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León told reporters that Trump’s decision is “distressing” but that California “will forge ahead.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/31/jerry-brown-donald-trump-paris-climate-change-deal-238993

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diva77

(7,629 posts)
1. Loooove Jerry Brown!! I've been hoping our great politicians' voices would be heard overseas!!
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:50 PM
May 2017

we need to let the world know that we don't back trump's threat to back out of Paris Climate Accord

dlk

(11,513 posts)
6. It's All About Undoing Whatever The Black Guy Did - No Matter the Cost to the Rest of Us
Wed May 31, 2017, 07:07 PM
May 2017

Trump's nonsensical climate agenda is purely about undoing whatever President Obama accomplished. Trump is a radical racist to his core.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
15. Trump is too blind to see that the biggest thing he destroys is his own ability to lead
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:58 AM
Jun 2017

the world on anything. The Paris Accord that Kerry and Obama were essential in getting will continue without us and as this thead and othere show, the US may still move, even in Trump's term, overall in the right direction in spite of Trump.

Maybe someone like Ivanka needs to explain that doing this means few countries will make deals with him. He will be the worst deal maker ever.

0rganism

(23,927 posts)
7. de-legitimizing climate denial could be the one decent thing Trump does
Wed May 31, 2017, 07:20 PM
May 2017

other nations will have to take the lead for a few years, but as Gov. Brown says, "the momentum is all the other way." someday we'll be back in the game, with far fewer idiots trying to undermine science in the name of profits and subsidies for outdated technologies.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
9. Trump promises so much winning
Wed May 31, 2017, 07:56 PM
May 2017

and showing up President Obama by "creating" jobs. Yeah...about that Donnie 2 Scoops, praising the resurgence of coal. BTW Donnie, coal is dying out. so much for that job thingy. Hey Donnie Rhea, did you know how many green jobs that could be treated for these out of work coalminers. Yeah....they could slap pay taxes again, sine none of your asshole pals ever do, then of course the a WPA style jobs program that would rebuild America. But you idiot Repukes have never seen the wisdom of actually putting out of work people to work and pay taxes.

Jerry Brown at least would fight for real Americans and not the douche nozzles Orange-oilni likes to call his friends.

magicarpet

(14,119 posts)
10. Coal Coal Coal
Wed May 31, 2017, 08:04 PM
May 2017

USA ~ USA ~ USA

Drill ~ Drill ~ Drill

USA ~ USA ~ USA

MAGA ~ Hug a Neanderthal today.

(snark/barf)

NNadir

(33,473 posts)
11. By 2045? This reminds me of when the CA legislature, in the 1990's voted for 5% ZEV by 2001.
Wed May 31, 2017, 08:38 PM
May 2017

Actually California will not be getting 100% of their electricity from so called "renewable energy" by 2045. No one will.

All of these "by such and such a year" nonsense is simply the effort of an irresponsible generation to dump the consequences of their selfishness and wishful thinking on future generations. This was true in 1990; it's true now.

We just spent on this planet, over 1 trillion dollars in the last ten years on solar energy, with the result that climate change is accelerating, not decelerating. The entire solar energy enterprise on this planet barely produces 1 of the 574 exajoules of energy that humanity is consuming each year. The entire industry can't even match the yearly increase in the dangerous natural gas industry's output.

The solar industry is, in fact, an expensive and toxic fig leaf for the gas industry, as California's prolifically increasing reliance on gas shows.

So called "renewable energy" did not work, is not working and will not work. If we want to get serious about climate change, nuclear energy is the only feasible solution. The reason is physics, the energy to mass ratio.



NNadir

(33,473 posts)
14. I follow the primary scientific literature, not "solar will save us" websites.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jun 2017

These websites have been around for decades, and I used to naively accept the wishful thinking they endorse. I changed my mind about ten years ago. I doubt the solar industry can even run the servers devoted to saying how great it is.

You can find papers by people like the gas bag Amory Lovins dating from 1976 saying that solar would be providing 1/4 of the US energy, which he defined as 25 "quads" (a quad being close to an exajoule) by the year 2000.

It doesn't even provide two exajoules on the whole planet.

It didn't work; it isn't working; it won't work.

It's 2017. We've reached 410 ppm of dangerous fossil fuel waste in the atmosphere (CO2), and in the last two years surpassed all previous records for yearly increases. We squandered a trillion dollars on solar in ten years.

To do this, toxic metals and other unsustainable stuff was dug out of the ground, and distributed all around the planet for no result.

The faith based belief in solar power is just that, faith based. Those of us who hype the tiresome "solar will save us" meme are doing great damage to all future generations.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
12. From May 22, 2017 - California breaks energy record with
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jun 2017

80% of state's power generated using renewable methods

The Golden State has soaked up enough rays to generate 67.2 per cent of its energy from renewable sources last month, smashing previous records.

When combining California’s largest grid with hydropower facilities, renewable energy rose even further to 80.7 per cent of total energy generation on 13 May. Thanks to ample sunshine, full water reservoirs and more solar facilities, the California Independent System Operator, the largest grid in the state, beat previous records. California also set a new record on 16 May for wind power, producing 4,985 megawatts on one day.

"It's going to be a dynamic year for records," CISO spokesperson Steven Greenlee told SF Gate. "The solar records in particular are falling like dominoes."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-renewable-energy-record-80-per-cent-state-power-green-methods-water-hydro-wind-solar-a7748956.html
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