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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:02 PM Jun 2017

Putin Vows Military Response To 'Eliminate NATO Threat' If Sweden Joins U.S.-Led Alliance

Source: Newsweek



BY DAMIEN SHARKOV ON 6/2/17 AT 5:25 AM

Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed deep opposition to the idea of Sweden joining NATO, calling its potential membership of the U.S.-led alliance a “threat” that would need to be “eliminated.”

“If Sweden joins NATO this will affect our relations in a negative way because we will consider that the infrastructure of the military bloc now approaches us from the Swedish side,” Putin told state news agency Itar-Tass. “We will interpret that as an additional threat for Russia and we will think about how to eliminate this threat.”

Russian officials have repeatedly treated NATO expansion near or at its borders as encroachment, rather than a desire by their smaller neighbors to deter Russian military incursion as sustained by Ukraine in 2014. Currently only Montenegro is on the list of countries to be inducted into NATO, as Sweden and neighbor Finland opt to stay non-aligned. Currently, three Baltic states and Poland are members of NATO on Russia's borders.

Last year Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in Stockholm that Russia would take a military response to potential Swedish entry into NATO and on Thursday Putin elaborated on the extent of such a response. “This does not quite mean that we will become hysterical and we will aim our nuclear missiles at Sweden,” Putin said. “But we will be obliged to undertake something because we see this as an additional threat to Russia.”



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Putin Vows Military Response To 'Eliminate NATO Threat' If Sweden Joins U.S.-Led Alliance (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2017 OP
What a time to be saddled with Trump. Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn hlthe2b Jun 2017 #1
And atreides1 Jun 2017 #3
Jesus. Here we go. Kittycow Jun 2017 #5
Surely gibraltar72 Jun 2017 #2
Don't count on Nicaragua awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #8
You are correct. Mr. Trump's lawyer needs to send Putin a letter demanding that he NCjack Jun 2017 #12
Expect Trump to denounce Sweden DBoon Jun 2017 #4
Does anyone believe that Trump making shit up about Sweden last month was an accident? Moostache Jun 2017 #9
No, I didn't, and worse... LisaM Jun 2017 #11
Wait. What? I have no clue what Control-Z Jun 2017 #14
He literally made up a terrorist attack in "Sweden" and talked about it in a speech Moostache Jun 2017 #16
Thank you. Control-Z Jun 2017 #19
Ooooogaa Booogaaa Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #6
Really Pootie Poo? You're afraid of Sweden now? awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #7
Well, the Russians couldnt defeat Finland in WW2, so maybe he is afraid! nt 7962 Jun 2017 #18
Putin couches his language often in the past. Igel Jun 2017 #23
Sweden needs to join ASAP Scalded Nun Jun 2017 #10
+1 on all three sentences Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #24
Trump will not respond to Russian aggresssion. Turbineguy Jun 2017 #13
Trump will go golfing left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #17
Where's President Orangestain? C_U_L8R Jun 2017 #15
Hey, Vlad, it's a great deal. Sweden joins NATO and the US exits sinkingfeeling Jun 2017 #20
Trump would like the US to join Russia and make the "Supreme Oligarch Union". harun Jun 2017 #22
Vlad is turning up the heat on *45...trying to wring as much from his orange sponge as he can before MedusaX Jun 2017 #21
This is a test of tRump's quid pro quo payback to Putin. 3 options for tRump. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #25
Fuck it angrychair Jun 2017 #26
Since fucking when is the US aligned with Russia against the UK, France, Sweeden and Germany? world wide wally Jun 2017 #27

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
3. And
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jun 2017

It looks as if Putin was the one who assisted in the US being saddled with Trump! The breaking up of NATO has been a Russian wet dream for, first the Soviet Union and now the Russian Federation!

All the Russians had to was to find the people who could be bought...and they found the dupes they were looking for...people who were more then willing to put their lust for power and money, over their love of country...Trump, McConnell, Ryan and probably every Republican in Congress and the executives of the RNC!!!

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
8. Don't count on Nicaragua
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:19 PM
Jun 2017

Apparently they may decide to sign in to the Accord because they don't wanna be on cheeto's side on this one.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
12. You are correct. Mr. Trump's lawyer needs to send Putin a letter demanding that he
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jun 2017

stop up-grading Mr. Trump's importance by referring to him as a leader. And, if he persists, he will be sued by Mr. Trump. The judgments will be so bigly that Putin will live the rest of life in poverty.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
9. Does anyone believe that Trump making shit up about Sweden last month was an accident?
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:19 PM
Jun 2017

If you do, then I have some wonderful property in the Everglades to sell you...

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
11. No, I didn't, and worse...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jun 2017

I feel as if he had some advance notice of the incidents that did take place (or, more probably, someone put a bug in his ear). I thought it was really disturbing.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
14. Wait. What? I have no clue what
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jun 2017

this is about. Or I don't remember. Maybe I'm just no longer able keep up with all the lies.

What did the maggot say about Sweden last month?

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
19. Thank you.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:15 PM
Jun 2017

Clearly I'm not keeping up. I didn't hear about this or didn't listen closely enough to recognize it as an entirely new accusation by the filthy maggot.

awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
7. Really Pootie Poo? You're afraid of Sweden now?
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:17 PM
Jun 2017

Bring out the Swedish bikini team!

Seriously though, What a scary and inappropriate thing to say about the nuclear missiles. WTF??

Igel

(35,300 posts)
23. Putin couches his language often in the past.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:48 PM
Jun 2017

He's the defender of the legacy of Kievan Rus', the heir to the numbered Ivans. In a way, the Horde bequeathed Russia with a special Eurasian identity and his kind preens over, but undoing the oppression of the Horde was a great thing.

Sweden was a historic foe of Russia.

So was Poland, because of the Times of Troubles and events afterwards, not to mention Polish independence from Russia after the Revolution and their battles with the likes of Budennyi (Lenin was a big one for keeping the Russian Empire, even as he was billed as anti-imperialist; his anti-imperialist rhetoric was reserved for everybody but his allies).

Lots in the US, mostly not on the right, decided to focus on the "fascist" Ukrainians back in 2013 and their historical antecedents, all of which were Banderovtsi according to many here, formed for the sole purpose of helping the Wehrmacht exterminate Jews. It fit the Russian narrative, used the buzz word "fascist" to trigger a knee-jerk response, and made non-hostility to Russia acceptable. Of course, that was before Russia became truly evil and it was still okay to speak of Ukrainian gays, Jews, atheists, and socialists as "fascists" if they liked NATO and the EU. (To their credit, many considered Russia a geopolitical foe back in 2008 and 2012, but only at the risk of being called a rethuglican or worse.) The situation in Ukraine was complex, with overtly fascist (in the sense of totalitarian ethnic-purist racist thugs) on both sides, but political views whitewashed those into "one side's fascist and Ukrainian, the others are Russian liberation fighters".

Make your theory as simple as possible, but not simpler than possible. When you need to add complications, you must add them.

Putin's been sabre-rattling for 10 years or more. Much has been ignored because it was convenient to do so. The mention of military opposition was deemed unwarranted Western sabre-rattling; response was provocation. Now we're oversensitized and see all things as new when they're not. This is more of the same. The only difference is that we now have a 25-year record of allowing ever-larger provocations to pass relatively unchallenged, instead of a 17-year record of ever-larger provocations to pass relatively unchallenged. Transdnistria, Abkhazia, Serbia, Ossetia/Georgia, constant provocations playing with Europe's gas supply and treating the Russian economy as a weapon.

I, for one, think that it was a serious mistake to give the USSR formerly German territory as part of war reparations at the end of WWII. Imagine the outcry if part of Germany had been given to Britain and all the Germans forced out.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
10. Sweden needs to join ASAP
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jun 2017

This bully needs to be called on his bullshit. If NATO blinks on this they will be blinking forever.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
24. +1 on all three sentences
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:48 PM
Jun 2017

{excerpt}
Sweden needs to join ASAP
This bully needs to be called on his bullshit. If NATO blinks on this they will be blinking forever.
{/excerpt}

sinkingfeeling

(51,448 posts)
20. Hey, Vlad, it's a great deal. Sweden joins NATO and the US exits
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jun 2017

the alliance. You used to have something to fear from US military might. Sweden, not so much.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
21. Vlad is turning up the heat on *45...trying to wring as much from his orange sponge as he can before
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jun 2017

Either
Shit hits the fan here or
Vlad decides to cut him loose....

Someone, hopefully, is keeping a very close watch for any EO's being signed in the wee hours ...
under cover of darkness and
With the guidance of unpaid advisors....

People are now conditioned to expect grand signing ceremonies for every EO... regardless of content.

Which means the most significant EO's will likely be signed while no one is around...

and then promptly misplaced
accidentally on purpose
until the "effects" of such EO's become apparent
Like
drilling in the Arctic
Loans signed with banks thought to be under sanction

When questions finally do arise, *45 will simply shrug & grin .......

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,000 posts)
25. This is a test of tRump's quid pro quo payback to Putin. 3 options for tRump.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:50 PM
Jun 2017

1) Support and encourage Sweden. Unlikely.

2) Denounce Sweden and NATO. More likely.

3) Punt and refuse to comment. Most likely and still it would be some payback to Putin for helping the RepubliCons steal the Electoral College.

angrychair

(8,697 posts)
26. Fuck it
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 04:52 PM
Jun 2017

It's about time...let's skip to trump/Putin love scene ending when the world gets blown up. Dragged this out to long anyway. It's worse than the remake of "Dirty Dancing". Do it already!

End of the World Party at my house, BYOB/BYOD and don't forget to tip your waiters and waitresses!



Donuts in the morning if we are still here:

world wide wally

(21,741 posts)
27. Since fucking when is the US aligned with Russia against the UK, France, Sweeden and Germany?
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 04:16 AM
Jun 2017

This is where your ancestors are from for the most part you fucking Trump Surrender Monkeys

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