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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:53 PM Jun 2017

Trump to announce plan to privatize air traffic control: reports

Source: The Hill

President Trump will reportedly introduce a plan on Monday to privatize the air traffic control functions of the Federal Aviation Administration this week as part of a broader push for infrastructure reform.

The Washington Post reports that Trump will instruct Congress to pursue privatizing air traffic control and spin it off into a nonprofit corporation. Trump could send principles for the plan to Congress as early as this week, according to the report.

Trump will be joined by the CEOs of several major airlines as he makes his air traffic control announcement, ABC News reported Sunday evening.

The proposal will come as part of a string of events aimed at getting the Trump administration back on track of fulfilling his campaign promises, especially those related to his $1 trillion infrastructure plan. While Trump’s plan likely won’t come together in a legislative package until later this summer, the administration is expected to unveil details about the plan this week.


Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/336315-trump-to-announce-plan-to-privatize-air-traffic-control-reports

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Trump to announce plan to privatize air traffic control: reports (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2017 OP
How is it that everything he does, or wants to do... dchill Jun 2017 #1
It sounds like a great way of fixing a completely invented problem christx30 Jun 2017 #35
Didn't Saint Ronnie do that one? nt doc03 Jun 2017 #2
Donny attempting to be Ronnie. democratisphere Jun 2017 #3
No, he broke the air traffic controllers' (PATCO) strike in 1981 The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #5
He busted their union, fired them, and banned from civil service for life IronLionZion Jun 2017 #27
Privatize the basic right of free movement through randr Jun 2017 #4
What could go wrong? sharedvalues Jun 2017 #6
Yeah, those jobs go to the lowest bidder! Ilsa Jun 2017 #7
Well, there was a private corporation in Switzerland called Skyguide The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #8
Lower wages, less benefits, a race to the bottom IronLionZion Jun 2017 #28
Heck, privatize airspace itself and charge people for the air they breathe dalton99a Jun 2017 #9
Like this BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #20
spin it off into a nonprofit corporation. airplaneman Jun 2017 #10
The term "non profit" is misleading PSPS Jun 2017 #13
Wtf uppityperson Jun 2017 #11
My RW commercial pilot brother will love this LeftInTX Jun 2017 #12
Well, I've taken my last flight ghostsinthemachine Jun 2017 #14
Same Here Doug the Dem Jun 2017 #17
If Trump has his way, there won't be Amtrak LeftInTX Jun 2017 #19
They will get rid of trains IronLionZion Jun 2017 #29
Then I'll drive ghostsinthemachine Jun 2017 #31
Amtrak is great for the Northeast, especially going to NYC IronLionZion Jun 2017 #32
let airlines save money by using "mostly exclusive" flight paths"! unblock Jun 2017 #15
I'll wait for an objective analysis of this before commenting truthisfreedom Jun 2017 #16
Controllers Union supports it, other Unions don't bluevoter4life Jun 2017 #24
Boy, is that the truth. pangaia Jun 2017 #26
My favorite "Air Traffic Control" delays bluevoter4life Jun 2017 #30
Why not? He's already privatized the presidency. n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2017 #18
"won't come together in a legislative package until later this summer" BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #21
Disaster in the skies Blue Idaho Jun 2017 #22
Why? How does creating a private company improve infrastructure? How sinkingfeeling Jun 2017 #23
Read my response upthread. In short, it doesn't. eom bluevoter4life Jun 2017 #25
It doesn't. This is where the Movement Conservatives and Bannonites agree... JHB Jun 2017 #36
Can Anyone Explain??? cisco man Jun 2017 #33
Republicans claim to love the country, but they can't wait to sell it off to the highest bidder. Vinca Jun 2017 #34
hmmmm "Flight 195, your landing is very important to us. Press 1 for Billing, still_one Jun 2017 #37
Can we ever recover from the diseases he has given this country? n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2017 #38

christx30

(6,241 posts)
35. It sounds like a great way of fixing a completely invented problem
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jun 2017

in a way that could be totally disastrous.
Pretty much par for the course for this guy. America's first 5 year old president.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
5. No, he broke the air traffic controllers' (PATCO) strike in 1981
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:23 PM
Jun 2017

by firing all the controllers. It took ATC about 20 years to recover. But he didn't privatize it.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
27. He busted their union, fired them, and banned from civil service for life
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jun 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#August_1981_strike

and replaced them. They had a secret program to prepare for this by training up new ATCs and bringing in military controllers temporarily.

Ironically the union had endorsed Reagan over Carter in the election and thought he would make America great again.

randr

(12,409 posts)
4. Privatize the basic right of free movement through
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:21 PM
Jun 2017

corporate ownership of travel infrastructure. Most of which were financed by tax payers dollars. The lsos' cronies will move onto our properties and profit from making us less secure.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
7. Yeah, those jobs go to the lowest bidder!
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:32 PM
Jun 2017

And we all know that a percentage of loss (equipment, highly trained employees, and customers) is factored in by risk managers.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
8. Well, there was a private corporation in Switzerland called Skyguide
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 11:32 PM
Jun 2017

that controlled enroute flights in Europe, and their cost-cutting and poor management contributed to a midair collision over Germany that killed some 70 people, many of them children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cberlingen_mid-air_collision

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
28. Lower wages, less benefits, a race to the bottom
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:05 AM
Jun 2017

a widening of the wealth gap as they make American workers suffer again. Fewer people wanting to join the profession.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
10. spin it off into a nonprofit corporation.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:06 AM
Jun 2017

Even nonprofit corporations are know for paying their CEO exorbitant salaries why paying shit wages to the employees.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/10-insanely-overpaid-nonp_n_3038162.html

-Airplane

PSPS

(13,591 posts)
13. The term "non profit" is misleading
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:23 AM
Jun 2017

All it really means is that there are no "profits" to distribute to shareholders and, if it's liquidated, the proceeds must go to another "non profit." The executives of a non-profit can still be paid billions of dollars of course and, in this case, it would become just another off-the-shelf money laundering machine that dutifully recycles a portion of the billionaire CEO's pay back to the corrupt GOP politicians to keep them in office.

By the way, this is how Trump plans to implement any "infrastructure plan." It will just be more of this wild selloff of the public's property to his corrupt cronies.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
12. My RW commercial pilot brother will love this
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:22 AM
Jun 2017

He likes to complain about "illegals" and "gangsters" in Chicago, but boy if someone screws with working conditions in his high paying union job, forget it.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
14. Well, I've taken my last flight
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:39 AM
Jun 2017

I prefer to travel by train anyways, but oft times fly to multi day travel destinations by train.
Flying I hate anyway. But now, no way if this goes through. Low wages, high CEO and officer compensation are a recipe for disaster.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
31. Then I'll drive
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:25 AM
Jun 2017

I find air travel distasteful anyway. The getting there early, the search, metal detectors, being crammed into the seats, hit or miss on board entertainment, laptop, tablet band, all the unpleasant stuff involved in flying. Renting a car........

Driving domestically wouldn't bother me. But I really like AMTRAK and the stations are all right in the center of town, and that is so cool.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
32. Amtrak is great for the Northeast, especially going to NYC
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:39 AM
Jun 2017

as I can go from downtown DC to downtown NY in relative comfort quickly.

It's not as great out west from what I hear.

bluevoter4life

(787 posts)
24. Controllers Union supports it, other Unions don't
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 09:44 AM
Jun 2017

I am part of the controllers union and I think, of all the bad ideas floating around right now, this is the worst of the worst. NATCA is the only federal union to support it, NATCA is the only aviation union to support it. Why? I have no idea. They will lose a large number of members if they continue to support it. In essence, it split air traffic control off from the FAA and places it into a "not-for-profit" government corporation. Within this corporation is an 11-member Board of Directors, in which the airlines hold 4 seats, with the potential to own up to 7 seats, with the others rounded out with AOPA, NBAA, ALPA and NATCA.

The Corporation will impose user fees for all users of the system, which will essentially kick GA out of the system entirely. As management of all major airlines support this legislation (exception being Delta), it is nothing more than a gift to them. They are looking to kick GA out ("Why should I have to wait 6 minutes for this Cessna to get out of the way when I only need to wait 2 minutes for the Boeing to move?&quot

NATCA supports this because it does protect our collective bargaining rights, pay, and benefits, but only for 6 years, after which all parties are supposed to come together and analyze how the set-up is working. By that time however, we will be too deep into it to move ATC back into the FAA fold. They took a very short-sighted and myopic approach to their support for this trash heap of a bill. Why? Because in addition to allowing the airlines almost total control of how I do my job, there is also language in the bill that allows this Corporation to "shut down and/or consolidate facilities to meet the needs of the organization". That means that the lower activity towers will be shut down, and the controllers there will be out of a job. NATCA has never explained how they will protect the members that are suddenly in the unemployment line. The leaders at NATCA have never worked at the small facilities, and have no idea the dynamics of how they work. They come from the busier towers and Centers, so their job is safe. Mine on the other hand, would be on the chopping block.

I urge EVERYONE to call their Senator and Congresscritter to voice their opposition to this bill. As of right now, NATCA national leadership does not believe there is enough support in either chamber to get it to pass, but we cannot take that chance.

Rep. Schuster from PA fronted this bill last year. He has admitted to a personal relationship with the head lobbyist of Airlines For America, the lobbying arm of the airline industry. It did not pass last year, but it is expected to be introduced again this year. Go to the House website and search for "H.R. 4441" to get the full details.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. Boy, is that the truth.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jun 2017

Nobody not involved in the 'airline industry' has or ever will have any idea of what this would mean.
It's basically the same thing is doing away with net neutrality.
Airlines have been after GA for years..

And people will actually believe that some A-330 actually has to wait for a Piper Cherokee.. LOL...Well, I suppose it does happen.... prop wash and all...








bluevoter4life

(787 posts)
30. My favorite "Air Traffic Control" delays
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 11:12 AM
Jun 2017

Which are, 98% of the time, complete BS. We actually called out a Delta flight attendant one day for it.

BumRushDaShow

(128,847 posts)
21. "won't come together in a legislative package until later this summer"
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 06:10 AM
Jun 2017

If anyone thinks that Congress is going to forgo their "summer recess" from early August until just after Labor Day, is in for a rude awakening. Meaning that they have about 3 weeks this month and 3 weeks in July ('cause they are sure to take a week for July 4th) to get 'er done.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
36. It doesn't. This is where the Movement Conservatives and Bannonites agree...
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:39 PM
Jun 2017

...where government "small enough to drown in a bathtub" is on the same page as "deconstructing the administrative state."

It's not about improving anything, it's about ideology, and people will die because of it.

cisco man

(26 posts)
33. Can Anyone Explain???
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 12:13 PM
Jun 2017

Is there any single piece of legislation or any one executive order that republicans have (in the last 8 years or so) put forward that EVER helped anyone except the top 1%??? Really, republicans simply aren't able to legislate a large, diverse country (prolly a large diverse company for that matter). We truly need to crush this party & make them even more insignificant than they already are. They need to rename their party & just call ALL their members libertarian (stupid word tho). They just cannot let go of that trickle-down stupidity, can they?

still_one

(92,136 posts)
37. hmmmm "Flight 195, your landing is very important to us. Press 1 for Billing,
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 03:18 PM
Jun 2017

Press 2 for Technical Support, Press 3 for Sales, Press 4 for information about our company, Press 5 to leave a message, Press 6 to speak to a controller, press 7 to repeat these options."

Item 6 Pressed:

"Please stay on the line and our next available Flight Controller will assist you. Your safe landing is important to us. Thank you for your patience"

Music on hold

This is going to work out real well

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