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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:18 PM Jun 2017

As Trumps Tactics Fall Short, Pence Takes Lead on Health Bill

Source: New York Times

President Trump personally lobbied House Republicans to pass health care legislation this year, but the Trump team’s heavy-handed tactics have been ineffective in the Senate, leaving him on the sidelines while Vice President Mike Pence led the effort to salvage the foundering bill.

Mr. Trump became more engaged on Tuesday, summoning all 52 Republican senators to the White House for some last-ditch diplomacy, but only after it became clear Republican leaders were postponing the vote until after the Fourth of July recess.

“The White House has been very involved in these discussion,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, said in announcing the postponement. “They’re very anxious to help.”

But the Republican Senate leaders have made it known that they would much rather negotiate with Mr. Pence than the president, according to several White House and congressional officials. And some of the White House’s efforts have clearly been counterproductive.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html?



The kicker--McConnell called an ad by a pro Trump super pac attacking Republican Senator Heller "beyond stupid, which is also a good description of Trump.


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As Trumps Tactics Fall Short, Pence Takes Lead on Health Bill (Original Post) Julian Englis Jun 2017 OP
Please rec this to the front page! BootinUp Jun 2017 #1
How? You mean to just rec it? Done. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #11
Subtle / not-so-subtle signalling that McCONnell is done with tRump. Impeachment conviction coming? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #2
It feels important to me. Nt BootinUp Jun 2017 #4
There is no scenario that results in a Trump impeachment oberliner Jun 2017 #6
It's possible that the Special Counsel result.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #12
For now. Trump is getting more toxic to Republicons by the day. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #15
The Ayatollah of Indianastan is worse than Trump...by far! Moostache Jun 2017 #3
Yes. Nt BootinUp Jun 2017 #5
Unfortunately that's true.... groundloop Jun 2017 #19
Maybe SNL should start making jokes about Pence being "the real president" Dopers_Greed Jun 2017 #7
The President can't fire the V.P. The V.P. was elected. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #13
lol torius Jun 2017 #22
It's not a "health bill" n/t hibbing Jun 2017 #8
Is that supposed to make me feel better about it all? Solly Mack Jun 2017 #9
Not happening. It's laughable, no, tragic. nt babylonsister Jun 2017 #16
Agreed. Solly Mack Jun 2017 #17
Did he really say that? Nice to know that he's not so stupid that he doesn't know Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #10
Mconnell CAN have been on the fix, AND know that Trump is indeed, stupid. Volaris Jun 2017 #18
No one has taken the lead on anything. Pence babylonsister Jun 2017 #14
That article doesn't say that McConnell said that Trump can also be described as stupid. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #20
Hey, Repubs, why not craft a bill that improves on Obamacare spooky3 Jun 2017 #21

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. It's possible that the Special Counsel result....
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:03 PM
Jun 2017

will be so bad that it can't be ignored. Clamoring by the people.

And, it depends on how independent the DOJ will be at that point. As we have seen, Rosenstein didn't automatically fall in line for EVERYTHING. He appointed the Special Counsel soon after Comey was fired. Sessions is dirty.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
3. The Ayatollah of Indianastan is worse than Trump...by far!
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:24 PM
Jun 2017

I would rather have an incompetent boob like Trump keep self-sabotaging and raging on Twitter than face the wrath of the damage a true zealot like Pence would leave in his wake...

groundloop

(11,510 posts)
19. Unfortunately that's true....
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:27 PM
Jun 2017

We keep clamoring for impeachment of 45*, and I admit that will be a great show for awhile. But once that show is over we'll face the reality of a hard core right winger who's more competent at pushing his agenda.

HOWEVER, 45* has done plenty to hurt us already, one notable item has been his systematic dismantling of the EPA. I've no doubt that the kochs are directing the show on that though.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
7. Maybe SNL should start making jokes about Pence being "the real president"
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:30 PM
Jun 2017

Herrpiece Fuhrer might be coaxed into sacking him

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. The President can't fire the V.P. The V.P. was elected.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

But he can take away his duties, move his office to be away from the IN crowd, and isolate him, and be rude to him, yell at him.

I think JFK did that to LBJ.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
10. Did he really say that? Nice to know that he's not so stupid that he doesn't know
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jun 2017

that Trump is stupid.

But I thought McConnell was in on the Russian collusion to elect Trump.

babylonsister

(171,021 posts)
14. No one has taken the lead on anything. Pence
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

is useless, the rethugs are useless, I just hope we don't have a big war before everyone recognizes this.

spooky3

(34,387 posts)
21. Hey, Repubs, why not craft a bill that improves on Obamacare
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jun 2017

and pleases your constituents, rather than on arm twisting? Bet the revised bill would be much easier to pass.

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