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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:02 PM Jun 2017

Palin suing New York Times over editorial on mass shooting

Source: The Hill

Sarah Palin on Tuesday filed a lawsuit against The New York Times alleging defamation over an editorial that linked the 2011 shooting of Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.) to an ad circulated by the former Alaska governor that put Democratic districts in crosshairs.

A court filing reported Tuesday by the New York Post and CNN shows that Palin is alleging that the newspaper falsely accused her of "inciting a mass shooting at a political event in January 2011." The former GOP vice presidential nominee accuses the paper of printing a claim that it "knew to be false."

In an editorial published June 14, the Times said that Palin's political action committee (PAC) released an ad that depicted Democratic lawmakers's faces under crosshairs. In reality, the ad depicted the lawmakers's districts, not their faces, under crosshairs.

The original editorial centered on the shooting earlier this month of Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) and three others at a GOP baseball practice in suburban Washington. It noted the Palin map in arguing that there was a link between political incitement and the Giffords shooting.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/news/339774-palin-suing-new-york-times-over-editorial-on-mass-shooting



The legal issue is, in the unlikely event that Palin won, how would damages be calculated? I would argue that damages should be zero, since in the opinion of many, has a reputation that is so poor her reputation can't be damage.
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Palin suing New York Times over editorial on mass shooting (Original Post) Julian Englis Jun 2017 OP
The case has no merit still_one Jun 2017 #1
Go away Sara! Auntie Bush Jun 2017 #2
Sarah Palin is like a bad rash. madaboutharry Jun 2017 #3
More like a case of the piles Major Nikon Jun 2017 #10
She just wants to be back in the spotlight again Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #4
Snowflake. Frivolous lawsuit. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #5
They hate the "damn trial lawyers," except when they don't. deurbano Jun 2017 #28
I wonder who is bankrolling Palin's suit because she sure as shit 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #6
That's when she encouraged the targeting of Democrats with cross hairs and guns. The Wielding Truth Jun 2017 #7
Still a grifter SummerSnow Jun 2017 #8
C'mon Sarah, it's just alternative facts... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #9
What a nut case Matthew28 Jun 2017 #11
Frivolous lawsuit! marybourg Jun 2017 #12
Gonorrhea in Human form morphs into Herpes in Human form...news at 11. (n/t) Moostache Jun 2017 #13
Talk about people who need to get a fucking job. Good god woman stfu and go to work. onecaliberal Jun 2017 #14
The Princess of Proper English bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #15
This is a serious lawsuit Gymbo Jun 2017 #16
Statute of limitation? LeftInTX Jun 2017 #17
The editorial just came out two weeks ago. Dr. Strange Jun 2017 #19
Then she has a case LeftInTX Jun 2017 #25
Really? When writing an editorial on politicians supporting violence, you can't use a former VP FSogol Jun 2017 #44
She has very little of a case. broadcaster90210 Jun 2017 #45
Payday for Palin FakeNoose Jun 2017 #18
What is the Statute of Limitations for defamation in NY? Gothmog Jun 2017 #20
The editorial was on June 14th of this year LeftInTX Jun 2017 #27
I agree with you. Unnecessary mention. I think she will win this one but few dollars awarded. nikibatts Jun 2017 #39
I see she has opted for the xxqqqzme Jun 2017 #21
Statute of Limitations for Defamation Gothmog Jun 2017 #22
The editorial was on June 14th of this year Ptah Jun 2017 #31
Guess serapalin in skeered UpInArms Jun 2017 #23
For the love of god - don't settle... Blue Idaho Jun 2017 #24
Did she blow her MontanaMama Jun 2017 #26
This works within her ability The Wizard Jun 2017 #29
Gabby Giffords, not her district name, was actually listed on one poster with Doodley Jun 2017 #30
Thanks for the reminder/info. Deuce Jun 2017 #32
Specificity bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #33
Donations must have dried up so on to Plan B. Always a grifter. Vinca Jun 2017 #34
Lots luck, Griftarella . . . you'll need it with a POS case like this hatrack Jun 2017 #35
When I saw the headline DFW Jun 2017 #36
grifters gotta grift. nt Javaman Jun 2017 #37
Has anyone seen "Nobody Speaks" on Netflix? Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #38
This a thousand times Hong Kong Cavalier Jun 2017 #41
Is he? Or speculation? Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #42
She has the lawyer for the Hogan case. And he's bankrolled by Thiel. Hong Kong Cavalier Jun 2017 #43
Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks. Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #46
Just added "Nobody Speaks" to "My list" LeftInTX Jun 2017 #47
Marshal Kim Jong-Un to file suit against New York Times for bigoted and slanderous statements mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #40
Wouldn't Giffords own words hurt Palin's case? Lady_Chat Jun 2017 #48

Freethinker65

(10,010 posts)
4. She just wants to be back in the spotlight again
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jun 2017

The Times printed a timely retraction. It was an editorial which by definition is an opinion.

She will get to make the media rounds again and shill for $$. She got passed over so far in the current administration and misses the attention and limelight.

The Wielding Truth

(11,415 posts)
7. That's when she encouraged the targeting of Democrats with cross hairs and guns.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:18 PM
Jun 2017

Awfully graphic. I'd say.

It is reasonable to think that she meant for her followers to shoot them. She is a promoter of gun solutions. Especially reckless at that time when rouge shooters were acting out on the idea of the 2nd amendment right to own and use guns to shoot people.

It was as though she was giving her followers her permission to go after her opponents personally. I shuddered when I saw that map.

Now Gabby is hurt badly, but her spirit is amazingly strong.

Palin was reckless and careless about her actions.

bucolic_frolic

(43,133 posts)
15. The Princess of Proper English
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:52 PM
Jun 2017

seeking damages for the prose of the Old Gray Lady

It's WWF vs. The Metropolitan Opera

Gymbo

(133 posts)
16. This is a serious lawsuit
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:00 PM
Jun 2017

She hired the lawyer who got Hulk Hogan $140,000,000. The problem for her is she is no longer relevant. Trump wouldn't hire her, she can't run for office after quitting, media doesn't want her, this is her last stab at relevancy and I bet she crawls back into the cracks after this.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
17. Statute of limitation?
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:07 PM
Jun 2017

She could have sued years ago....why now?

I bet someone in the WH is bankrolling this

FSogol

(45,480 posts)
44. Really? When writing an editorial on politicians supporting violence, you can't use a former VP
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jun 2017

candidate and half term governor as an example?

broadcaster90210

(333 posts)
45. She has very little of a case.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:30 PM
Jun 2017

The report is factual and she is a public figure.

That's the short version.

She'll be lucky to not get stuck paying for Defendant's atty fees.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
27. The editorial was on June 14th of this year
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:14 AM
Jun 2017

The editorial had to do with Steven Scalise.

I think they messed up.
Why even mention Sarah Palin?

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
39. I agree with you. Unnecessary mention. I think she will win this one but few dollars awarded.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:39 AM
Jun 2017

It just makes attacks on the media more easy.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
22. Statute of Limitations for Defamation
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jun 2017

I checked and NY is like Texas http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/new-york-defamation-law


The statute of limitations for defamation in New York in one (1) year. See N.Y. C.P.L.R. 215(3).

New York has adopted the single publication rule. See Gregoire v. G.P. Putnam's Sons, 298 N.Y. 119 (1948). For a definition of the "single publication rule," see the Statute of Limitations for Defamation section.

The single publication rule applies to the Internet in New York, with the statute of limitations running from the time the defamatory content first appears online. "Republication" of the allegedly defamatory content will restart the statute of limitations. A "republication" occurs upon "a separate aggregate publication from the original, on a different occasion, which is not merely 'a delayed circulation of the original edition.'" Firth v. State, 775 N.E.2d 463, 466 (N.Y. 2002). The New York Court of appeals has indicated that altering the allegedly defamatory content may trigger republication, and a lower court has held that moving web content to a different web address triggered republication. See Firth v. State, 306 A.D.2d 666 (N.Y. App. Div. 2003).

UpInArms

(51,281 posts)
23. Guess serapalin in skeered
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:34 PM
Jun 2017

That she did something that has now gained negative traction ... gun targets over a politician's district? Inciting violence against an elected official?

Rot in jail, Sara

MontanaMama

(23,307 posts)
26. Did she blow her
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:13 AM
Jun 2017

money already so now she's looking for a payday? Such a grifter. Can't she work? WTF is Todd doing with himself? JFC. Their probably raising grifters too.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
29. This works within her ability
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:33 AM
Jun 2017

to make money. It gets her back in the news and the Times may pay her to go away. The media will cover her every word because there are enough fools who want to see her in the pubic forum, that and look up her skirt.
Depraved Republican males living in their mom's basements have wild fantasies about bedding down Snow Drift Snookie, the Tundra Temptress.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
30. Gabby Giffords, not her district name, was actually listed on one poster with
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:35 AM
Jun 2017

crosshairs representing those politicians. Okay, it doesn't show faces, but it actually lists Democrats by name, including Giffords. Combine that with "Don't retreat. Reload."

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

bucolic_frolic

(43,133 posts)
33. Specificity
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 07:10 AM
Jun 2017

"In reality, the ad depicted the lawmakers's districts, not their faces, under crosshairs."

Is there doubt about the intended target of the ad? Targeting a district methaphorically? Or
literally? There's only one incumbent of a Congressional seat at any time. Did it mean everyone
in the district, a randomly selected person, a non-political person, shoot at the ground in the district?

With the loonies in our culture, the concept of incitement ought to be visited by the courts. I think
I read UK ended charges for incitement in the last decade or so. "Fire!" in a crowded theater is a bit
antiquated today.

DFW

(54,358 posts)
36. When I saw the headline
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 07:36 AM
Jun 2017

When I saw she was suing for defamation, I thought some quoted her again.........

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
38. Has anyone seen "Nobody Speaks" on Netflix?
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:50 AM
Jun 2017

They have an agenda of destroying the first amendment.

This is only another link in the chain.

If she has a cash cow backer like Peter Thiel, she might win. Which will only push us further to their Orwellian agenda.

I think this suit is very calculated and purposeful. Remember Trump during the election said he wanted to open up libel laws against the media? Think about it.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
41. This a thousand times
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jun 2017

Peter Thiel is bankrolling this, and the $75,000 is the minimum she had to sue for to file. The real amount is probably much, much larger.

This is Thiel trying to demolish the First Amendment.
Again.

And don't think for a second that he doesn't have the Tangeranus on speed dial.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
43. She has the lawyer for the Hogan case. And he's bankrolled by Thiel.
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 12:08 PM
Jun 2017

So it's pretty safe to reason that he's at least tangentially involved.

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
47. Just added "Nobody Speaks" to "My list"
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jun 2017

Will watch!!

Yes, Trump wants to open libel laws against the media. The NY Times is one of his targets.

However if that is the case, Hillary and Obama should sue the National Enquirer. They could make them go out of business.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,405 posts)
40. Marshal Kim Jong-Un to file suit against New York Times for bigoted and slanderous statements
Wed Jun 28, 2017, 09:40 AM
Jun 2017
Marshal Kim Jong-Un to file suit against New York Times for bigoted and slanderous statements, causing anxiety and extreme mental distress.



Lady_Chat

(561 posts)
48. Wouldn't Giffords own words hurt Palin's case?
Thu Jun 29, 2017, 02:07 AM
Jun 2017

"That did not stop Palin from declaring Giffords a "target." Giffords' district office was subsequently vandalized, and the congresswoman noted that
Palin had put "the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district."

"When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said."

I think that says it all.

Never understood how Palin wasn't responsible for this. Officials later said the shooter had no political motives, that he had been obsessed with Gabrielle Giffords for years. Yet, he never went after her, until Palin's map, "targeting" Giffords district was put up. Really hope Palin loses her case, think what she did was very irresponsible, almost like she egged the guy on.

"Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' blood is on Sarah Palin's hands after putting cross hair over district"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rep-gabrielle-giffords-blood-sarah-palin-hands-putting-cross-hair-district-article-1.149099

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