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TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 08:54 PM Jul 2017

GOP senators warming to repeal then replace on ObamaCare

Source: The Hill

Republican senators on Sunday mulled over the possibility of first repealing and then replacing ObamaCare, an idea that the GOP originally rejected but seems to be warming to reluctantly.

President Trump last week floated the idea. He tweeted that Republicans should repeal and then replace ObamaCare at a later date if they are not able to come to a consensus on their bill.

As the Senate majority leadership struggles to obtain enough support to pass healthcare legislation, some senators on Sunday argued it might streamline the process to split the bill into two.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has been a vocal critic of the Senate GOP's healthcare bill — largely because he does not believe it's a full repeal of former President Obama's signature healthcare law — suggested Sunday the ObamaCare repeal and replace bills be separated. "Let's do clean repeal like we've promised," he said on "Fox News Sunday."

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/340437-gop-sens-push-possibility-of-repealing-then-replacing-obamacare



Should we be surprised that despite the lip service given to GOP moderates being concerned about the 20+ million losing healthcare under the GOP bills that a full repeal which would cause 32 million people to lose their coverage is gaining momentum. Perhaps the idea is to push the genocide bill, then fall back to the mere killer bill as a "compromise" in order to fund tax cuts to the rich.
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GOP senators warming to repeal then replace on ObamaCare (Original Post) TomCADem Jul 2017 OP
Kiss my arse Iliyah Jul 2017 #1
Simple repeal sets up a debt limit, fiscal cliff type situation. Ligyron Jul 2017 #2
*if* they can decide on a replacement. Nt BadgerKid Jul 2017 #4
That might actually be worse than the Senate Bill. The Senate Bill at least left some of ACA. Hoyt Jul 2017 #3
In theory they can replace it with pre existing conditions and call it trumpcare and not Obamacare mucifer Jul 2017 #9
BUT it would end the taxes for those 400 families underpants Jul 2017 #32
"A later date." 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #5
Trump is wrecking anything America ever did bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #6
Showing Their True Colors Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #7
Okay, let's say these sc*mbags do this... bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #8
I'm sick of their shit. They are fucking with sick people who are fighting for their health chowder66 Jul 2017 #10
Exactly. Think things will work out in end, but they're scaring sick and poor people unnecessarily. Hoyt Jul 2017 #11
if they repeal Dan Jul 2017 #23
Exactly. CozyMystery Jul 2017 #37
Are The Republicans Brain Dead? DallasNE Jul 2017 #12
No they arent brain dead they are just terrified of the backlash from their cstanleytech Jul 2017 #15
And the irony not fooled Jul 2017 #19
I think they would need 60 votes to do just repeal since it would increase the deficit Jersey Devil Jul 2017 #13
How would it increase the deficit? moonscape Jul 2017 #27
An immediate "repeal" will eliminate all the taxes generated to fund ACA BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #33
Thanks! And for the link. Appreciate it! n/t moonscape Jul 2017 #34
Meant to also include the direct IRS link for that "additional Medicare Tax" BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #35
I don't think they'll do a 'full repeal,' elleng Jul 2017 #14
It would fuck over the most people so of course the GOP is for it. nt TeamPooka Jul 2017 #16
Typical dump tactics not fooled Jul 2017 #17
Agreed the person occupying our WH is a thug. iluvtennis Jul 2017 #28
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are not moderates. However, there are republicans, still_one Jul 2017 #18
It's not going to happen. The only thing that'll happen is their poll numbers continue to head south Doodley Jul 2017 #20
I'm surprised after the nasty reception many got at home. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #21
They seem to think they have enough power to pull off their crime against humanity. Judi Lynn Jul 2017 #22
Truly conservatives without conscience .. sociopaths. Hieronymus Jul 2017 #24
If they repeal it, they will not replace it. It would be a total reversal to the free market system. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #25
Uh-huh. It's what they've been wanting all along. calimary Jul 2017 #26
If the fascist pigs vote to murder tens of thousands of Americans elmac Jul 2017 #29
Now where have I heard this before? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2017 #30
Wrong. It's a repeal and forget bill. Kablooie Jul 2017 #31
Or repeal and not replace because replace is too hard jmowreader Jul 2017 #36
If they repeal it, that will be that. They are unable to govern and will never create a viable plan. Vinca Jul 2017 #38

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
2. Simple repeal sets up a debt limit, fiscal cliff type situation.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:06 PM
Jul 2017

Then it's, "you Dems better pass our bill by ....or else ...".

But then can they do a replace under the reconciliation process?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. That might actually be worse than the Senate Bill. The Senate Bill at least left some of ACA.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:07 PM
Jul 2017

Repeal would mean it's all gone -- pre-existing conditions, "free" preventive testing even under Medicare, closing Medicare drug donut hole, basic benefits, caps on premiums vs expenditures on medical care, etc.

They can delay the repeal to start in say 2019, but what happens if the jerks screw around and do nothing. That just leaves people scared for years and businesses unsure of future of health insurance. All the remaining ACA insurance companies would just just say screw this and drop out too.

mucifer

(23,374 posts)
9. In theory they can replace it with pre existing conditions and call it trumpcare and not Obamacare
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jul 2017

But, they are too evil for that.

underpants

(182,281 posts)
32. BUT it would end the taxes for those 400 families
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 06:23 AM
Jul 2017

and then they can move on to their disaster of a tax cut.

 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
8. Okay, let's say these sc*mbags do this...
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:32 PM
Jul 2017

Doesn't that put it square in the headlight for the 2018 midterms???

chowder66

(9,011 posts)
10. I'm sick of their shit. They are fucking with sick people who are fighting for their health
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 09:44 PM
Jul 2017

as they deliberate on how to make healthcare even worse than their previous fuck-off-and-die bills.

They are jacking up the confidence of the health industry by their game playing and the confidence or hope of those who are sick and dying. Imagine what people must be going through right now that are in care, getting treatment, facing so much uncertainty.


The Republican Party is a viper.





 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Exactly. Think things will work out in end, but they're scaring sick and poor people unnecessarily.
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 10:25 PM
Jul 2017

Dan

(3,524 posts)
23. if they repeal
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:51 AM
Jul 2017

they will never replace... but replace - that ship will be long gone.

Repeal and replace gives the moderates a place to hide behind....

And, I think that this is a done deal...the excuse the GOP needs to repeal, get the money and pass their tax cut...

This is what it was all about anyway, a tax cut for the wealthy...

my thoughts

CozyMystery

(652 posts)
37. Exactly.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 04:51 PM
Jul 2017

My son has had treatment-resistant depression for 10 years. He has been on over 18 drugs, none of which worked. He's had many types of therapy. He's been getting electroconvulsive therapy for 1.5 years. He is on Medicaid. He would already be dead without it.

He is a very smart person, Democrat, and wants so much to have a future.

Last night, for the first time since 2011, he was admitted to the psych ward at the local hospital -- suicide risk with a scary plan that would work. He is only 23.

And what has set him over the edge? Trump and Congress. He is terrified of what will happen to this country. He is terrified that mental health care will be even worse than it is now. He thinks the government will kill him and tens of thousands (minimum) of people by withholding healthcare.

I loathed Donald Trump and the Republicans until last night. Then I began hating them.

The only good thing is that the entire family (2 parents, 4 kids) voted for Hillary.

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
12. Are The Republicans Brain Dead?
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jul 2017

The repeal bill still has to go to the CBO for a score. That score will be an even worse disaster. Or are they planning on a vote before the CBO score comes back. Can't they think critically? And don't they realize that each time they come up with a proposal that is actually worse than their last proposal they are showing the American people they simply do not know how to lead.

cstanleytech

(26,082 posts)
15. No they arent brain dead they are just terrified of the backlash from their
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 11:10 PM
Jul 2017

voting base and they feel like they have to repeal it to survive and remain in office.
What they forget though is doing this is liable to rouse millions of voters against them as they lose heath insurance and alot of them are bound to be kicked out anyway and then down the road when the Democrats regain control they can and should ram through single payer.

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
19. And the irony
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:03 AM
Jul 2017

is that most of the dumbasses against the ACA were only against it because of swallowing lies and propaganda from faux and flush. If they had been informed of what's actually in the legislation and what its benefits for them are, free of anti-Obama noise, most of them probably would have supported it all along.

Policy to cater to ignorant dumbasses. Great, just great.



Jersey Devil

(9,863 posts)
13. I think they would need 60 votes to do just repeal since it would increase the deficit
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 10:47 PM
Jul 2017

Reconciliation would be out.

BumRushDaShow

(127,322 posts)
33. An immediate "repeal" will eliminate all the taxes generated to fund ACA
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 07:06 AM
Jul 2017

plus will revert the payments for Medicare-covered procedures back to the pre-ACA period (which means the government will have to pay more for that again to make up for a loss of the additional Medicare payroll tax (0.9%) being paid by wealthier Americans).

|*** <...>

This brief explores the implications for Medicare and beneficiaries of repealing Medicare provisions in the ACA. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated that full repeal of the ACA would increase Medicare spending by $802 billion from 2016 to 2025.(1) Full repeal would increase spending primarily by restoring higher payments to health care providers and Medicare Advantage plans. The increase in Medicare spending would likely lead to higher Medicare premiums, deductibles, and cost sharing for beneficiaries, and accelerate the insolvency of the Medicare Part A trust fund. Policymakers will confront decisions about the Medicare provisions in the ACA in their efforts to repeal and replace the law.

<...>

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/what-are-the-implications-of-repealing-the-affordable-care-act-for-medicare-spending-and-beneficiaries/ ***|

BumRushDaShow

(127,322 posts)
35. Meant to also include the direct IRS link for that "additional Medicare Tax"
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jul 2017
https://www.irs.gov/uac/additional-medicare-tax-what-you-need-to-know

(that would go away with a repeal - i.e., wealthier citizens are currently paying 1.45% + 0.9% for Medicare and the 0.9% would drop)

elleng

(130,156 posts)
14. I don't think they'll do a 'full repeal,'
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 10:56 PM
Jul 2017

I suspect if they have to they'll 'repeal' but not effective for a year (or more) after they (think they can) replace.

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
17. Typical dump tactics
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:00 AM
Jul 2017

Scare the sh*t out of people, so they are "grateful" when something less catastrophic actually happens. Not saying they aren't capable of doing this, but all along he has been employing NY wheeler-dealer tactics, e.g.: remember when he scared everyone with the possibility of nuclear war with N Korea? Float the worst-case scenario to get people terrified. Then, when you propose something less evil (but still horrible), they think it's "good" by comparison. After all, you didn't do the worst.

Our country is being "run" by a thug.



still_one

(91,965 posts)
18. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are not moderates. However, there are republicans,
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:02 AM
Jul 2017

while not moderates, are still concerned about large segments of their respective states having large numbers lose their insurance, either through Medicaid cuts, or premiums that are unaffordable. While the article is entitled that the republicans are warming up, the actual article says nothing of the sort. What it does say is that they really don't know


Judi Lynn

(160,219 posts)
22. They seem to think they have enough power to pull off their crime against humanity.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 12:30 AM
Jul 2017

Hoping every rotten one of them will be returning home far, far earlier than he/she expected.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. If they repeal it, they will not replace it. It would be a total reversal to the free market system.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 01:18 AM
Jul 2017

I guess that would be a total reversal to a free market system, like we had before. I also suspect that this is the plan. Not to replace it, unless their elections depend on it.

The party that shut down the government a couple of years ago to protest Obamacare, knowing the shut down had no real purpose or goal, and watched the country lose $32 Billion dollars, and a lot of people lose income, would be more than happy watching to see how many people die or suffer with no health care, and if any are those that vote for them. They would try to replace only if THEIR voters are clamoring for it.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
26. Uh-huh. It's what they've been wanting all along.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 01:23 AM
Jul 2017

It'll be pretty sad to see how long they dawdle having to come up with a "replacement." I think that's one for the "yeah, SUUUUURE" file.

trumpsters, you've been HAD. On the end of a fork. Happy now? At least you didn't get that mean ol' crooked Hillary.

30. Now where have I heard this before?
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 03:24 AM
Jul 2017

The GOP plan for "Repeal Now, Replace Later" is like Wimpy saying,



"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."

Kablooie

(18,572 posts)
31. Wrong. It's a repeal and forget bill.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 05:09 AM
Jul 2017

They've clearly demonstrated that they can never agree on a plan so the medical system will revert to the old, sick people must live in poverty, system.

Vinca

(50,172 posts)
38. If they repeal it, that will be that. They are unable to govern and will never create a viable plan.
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jul 2017

Back to insurance companies totally running the show and excluding whoever they want, not covering whatever they choose and cutting off coverage when you most need it.

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