GOP senators warming to repeal then replace on ObamaCare
Source: The Hill
Republican senators on Sunday mulled over the possibility of first repealing and then replacing ObamaCare, an idea that the GOP originally rejected but seems to be warming to reluctantly.
President Trump last week floated the idea. He tweeted that Republicans should repeal and then replace ObamaCare at a later date if they are not able to come to a consensus on their bill.
As the Senate majority leadership struggles to obtain enough support to pass healthcare legislation, some senators on Sunday argued it might streamline the process to split the bill into two.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has been a vocal critic of the Senate GOP's healthcare bill largely because he does not believe it's a full repeal of former President Obama's signature healthcare law suggested Sunday the ObamaCare repeal and replace bills be separated. "Let's do clean repeal like we've promised," he said on "Fox News Sunday."
Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/340437-gop-sens-push-possibility-of-repealing-then-replacing-obamacare
Should we be surprised that despite the lip service given to GOP moderates being concerned about the 20+ million losing healthcare under the GOP bills that a full repeal which would cause 32 million people to lose their coverage is gaining momentum. Perhaps the idea is to push the genocide bill, then fall back to the mere killer bill as a "compromise" in order to fund tax cuts to the rich.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Ligyron
(7,592 posts)Then it's, "you Dems better pass our bill by ....or else ...".
But then can they do a replace under the reconciliation process?
BadgerKid
(4,541 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Repeal would mean it's all gone -- pre-existing conditions, "free" preventive testing even under Medicare, closing Medicare drug donut hole, basic benefits, caps on premiums vs expenditures on medical care, etc.
They can delay the repeal to start in say 2019, but what happens if the jerks screw around and do nothing. That just leaves people scared for years and businesses unsure of future of health insurance. All the remaining ACA insurance companies would just just say screw this and drop out too.
mucifer
(23,374 posts)But, they are too evil for that.
underpants
(182,281 posts)and then they can move on to their disaster of a tax cut.
3catwoman3
(23,820 posts)Which would be when, precisely? Let's guess - the 12th of never.
bucolic_frolic
(42,679 posts)Free Speech, voting rights are next
Doug the Dem
(1,297 posts)A vomitous green and yellow. Anything but BLACK!!!
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)Doesn't that put it square in the headlight for the 2018 midterms???
chowder66
(9,011 posts)as they deliberate on how to make healthcare even worse than their previous fuck-off-and-die bills.
They are jacking up the confidence of the health industry by their game playing and the confidence or hope of those who are sick and dying. Imagine what people must be going through right now that are in care, getting treatment, facing so much uncertainty.
The Republican Party is a viper.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)they will never replace... but replace - that ship will be long gone.
Repeal and replace gives the moderates a place to hide behind....
And, I think that this is a done deal...the excuse the GOP needs to repeal, get the money and pass their tax cut...
This is what it was all about anyway, a tax cut for the wealthy...
my thoughts
CozyMystery
(652 posts)My son has had treatment-resistant depression for 10 years. He has been on over 18 drugs, none of which worked. He's had many types of therapy. He's been getting electroconvulsive therapy for 1.5 years. He is on Medicaid. He would already be dead without it.
He is a very smart person, Democrat, and wants so much to have a future.
Last night, for the first time since 2011, he was admitted to the psych ward at the local hospital -- suicide risk with a scary plan that would work. He is only 23.
And what has set him over the edge? Trump and Congress. He is terrified of what will happen to this country. He is terrified that mental health care will be even worse than it is now. He thinks the government will kill him and tens of thousands (minimum) of people by withholding healthcare.
I loathed Donald Trump and the Republicans until last night. Then I began hating them.
The only good thing is that the entire family (2 parents, 4 kids) voted for Hillary.
DallasNE
(7,392 posts)The repeal bill still has to go to the CBO for a score. That score will be an even worse disaster. Or are they planning on a vote before the CBO score comes back. Can't they think critically? And don't they realize that each time they come up with a proposal that is actually worse than their last proposal they are showing the American people they simply do not know how to lead.
cstanleytech
(26,082 posts)voting base and they feel like they have to repeal it to survive and remain in office.
What they forget though is doing this is liable to rouse millions of voters against them as they lose heath insurance and alot of them are bound to be kicked out anyway and then down the road when the Democrats regain control they can and should ram through single payer.
not fooled
(5,791 posts)is that most of the dumbasses against the ACA were only against it because of swallowing lies and propaganda from faux and flush. If they had been informed of what's actually in the legislation and what its benefits for them are, free of anti-Obama noise, most of them probably would have supported it all along.
Policy to cater to ignorant dumbasses. Great, just great.
Jersey Devil
(9,863 posts)Reconciliation would be out.
moonscape
(4,664 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,322 posts)plus will revert the payments for Medicare-covered procedures back to the pre-ACA period (which means the government will have to pay more for that again to make up for a loss of the additional Medicare payroll tax (0.9%) being paid by wealthier Americans).
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This brief explores the implications for Medicare and beneficiaries of repealing Medicare provisions in the ACA. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated that full repeal of the ACA would increase Medicare spending by $802 billion from 2016 to 2025.(1) Full repeal would increase spending primarily by restoring higher payments to health care providers and Medicare Advantage plans. The increase in Medicare spending would likely lead to higher Medicare premiums, deductibles, and cost sharing for beneficiaries, and accelerate the insolvency of the Medicare Part A trust fund. Policymakers will confront decisions about the Medicare provisions in the ACA in their efforts to repeal and replace the law.
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http://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/what-are-the-implications-of-repealing-the-affordable-care-act-for-medicare-spending-and-beneficiaries/ ***|
moonscape
(4,664 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,322 posts)(that would go away with a repeal - i.e., wealthier citizens are currently paying 1.45% + 0.9% for Medicare and the 0.9% would drop)
elleng
(130,156 posts)I suspect if they have to they'll 'repeal' but not effective for a year (or more) after they (think they can) replace.
TeamPooka
(24,156 posts)not fooled
(5,791 posts)Scare the sh*t out of people, so they are "grateful" when something less catastrophic actually happens. Not saying they aren't capable of doing this, but all along he has been employing NY wheeler-dealer tactics, e.g.: remember when he scared everyone with the possibility of nuclear war with N Korea? Float the worst-case scenario to get people terrified. Then, when you propose something less evil (but still horrible), they think it's "good" by comparison. After all, you didn't do the worst.
Our country is being "run" by a thug.
iluvtennis
(19,758 posts)still_one
(91,965 posts)while not moderates, are still concerned about large segments of their respective states having large numbers lose their insurance, either through Medicaid cuts, or premiums that are unaffordable. While the article is entitled that the republicans are warming up, the actual article says nothing of the sort. What it does say is that they really don't know
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,219 posts)Hoping every rotten one of them will be returning home far, far earlier than he/she expected.
Hieronymus
(6,039 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I guess that would be a total reversal to a free market system, like we had before. I also suspect that this is the plan. Not to replace it, unless their elections depend on it.
The party that shut down the government a couple of years ago to protest Obamacare, knowing the shut down had no real purpose or goal, and watched the country lose $32 Billion dollars, and a lot of people lose income, would be more than happy watching to see how many people die or suffer with no health care, and if any are those that vote for them. They would try to replace only if THEIR voters are clamoring for it.
calimary
(80,700 posts)It'll be pretty sad to see how long they dawdle having to come up with a "replacement." I think that's one for the "yeah, SUUUUURE" file.
trumpsters, you've been HAD. On the end of a fork. Happy now? At least you didn't get that mean ol' crooked Hillary.
elmac
(4,642 posts)there will be hell to pay
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)The GOP plan for "Repeal Now, Replace Later" is like Wimpy saying,
"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
Kablooie
(18,572 posts)They've clearly demonstrated that they can never agree on a plan so the medical system will revert to the old, sick people must live in poverty, system.
jmowreader
(50,453 posts)Vinca
(50,172 posts)Back to insurance companies totally running the show and excluding whoever they want, not covering whatever they choose and cutting off coverage when you most need it.