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Gabby Hayes

(289 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:04 AM Jul 2012

Romney aide loses cool, curses at press in Poland

Source: CNN.com

Warsaw, Poland (CNN) - The traveling press secretary for Mitt Romney lost his cool and cursed at reporters who attempted to ask questions of the Republican presidential candidate in a public plaza near the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Warsaw Tuesday.

After Romney paid his respects to Poland's war dead and shook hands with a small gathering of the nation's military veterans, the GOP contender walked approximately 100 yards away from the memorial as he chatted with Warsaw's mayor.




Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/31/romney-aide-loses-cool-curses-at-press-in-poland/

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Romney aide loses cool, curses at press in Poland (Original Post) Gabby Hayes Jul 2012 OP
Cursing. Yet another occult Republican "Family Value." Berlum Jul 2012 #1
"Kiss my ass" and "Shove it" Skinner Jul 2012 #2
How culturally insensitive are these guys? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #28
of course that's the way the aristocracy handles the rabble, you know wordpix Jul 2012 #48
why, that's extraordinarily respectful of him, on the holy site Voice for Peace Jul 2012 #50
How's that international tour going for you, Willard??? ohgeewhiz Jul 2012 #3
Let's hear it for the Rainbow Tour! tanyev Jul 2012 #22
Nit-Mitt's "Magical Misery Tour" n/t Earth Bound Misfit Jul 2012 #29
Nit-Mitt's "Magical Misery Tour" AlbertCat Jul 2012 #49
Ha I picked it up tanyev R0ckyRac00n Jul 2012 #47
We weren't quite sure, we had a few doubts... redwitch Jul 2012 #63
Gee, what a crackerjack staff!! Kiss my ass and call me yer valentine!! MADem Jul 2012 #4
playing devil's advocate.....it must be a very tough job to have -- having a client who refuses Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #21
It can't have been a surprise to the guy. No sympathy from me. MADem Jul 2012 #30
Oh, I agree, the more fuckups the better ! totally. wish there were more Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #37
You know what's even more difficult? GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #32
It's really an interesting subject to me -- how much influence/affect does a pool reporter have in Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #40
To many of them seem to be afraid of being "Dan Rathered". GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #56
just heard Jim Acosta of CNN on the phone...he said that they were 100 yds away and that Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #60
Greta Van Susteren, who went to Faux because they paid for her facelift, called the whole mess a MADem Jul 2012 #55
right...but thought that quote referred to the way all the people were surrounding them and looking Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #62
Go against their corporate masters? dawn frenzy adams Jul 2012 #72
How do you say Heather MC Jul 2012 #5
Great observation! ohgeewhiz Jul 2012 #9
Kiss my ass, this is a goddamn holy place, for Christ's sake. LuvNewcastle Jul 2012 #27
And the further irony . . . siligut Jul 2012 #38
Exactly'!!!! (response to post 5) Gin Jul 2012 #33
You Cannot Write Better Comedy Than That Yavin4 Jul 2012 #66
If the GOP had any sense DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #6
I'll bet it's not so quiet in their "quiet rooms" corkhead Jul 2012 #10
They would be in panic right now. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #54
In a related story....... Gabby Hayes Jul 2012 #7
The Poles stopped him by saying... jberryhill Jul 2012 #12
omg, now dat is funny! lonestarnot Jul 2012 #44
It reads like a line from Dr Strangelove KurtNYC Jul 2012 #8
Beat me to it! VWolf Jul 2012 #31
Really letting us know who they are. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #11
Looks like it's time to promote the assistant to the travelling secretary alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #13
The media can effect this election liberal N proud Jul 2012 #14
Looks like Mitt's going for a trifecta Godot51 Jul 2012 #15
I had no idea they could dig up a worse candidate than Palin - TBF Jul 2012 #16
And he can't even hire people with sense get the red out Jul 2012 #19
Just imagine the flack if President Obama's press secretary behaved like this. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #17
I have no doubt that Spirochete Jul 2012 #18
wtf? usregimechange Jul 2012 #20
If Romney and his crack staff don't start up WW III before they return home, it'll be a miracle. bulloney Jul 2012 #23
I see lost mittens has continued on his "fuck up then suck up" tour of stupidity. Javaman Jul 2012 #24
"Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect." ehrnst Jul 2012 #25
On paper it almost sounds like he is calling his "ass...a holy site" KurtNYC Jul 2012 #39
The Romney campaign has a history with pronoun trouble... ehrnst Jul 2012 #41
Should be the headline! lonestarnot Jul 2012 #46
SNL, Colbert and Jon S can make major laughs on this one wordpix Jul 2012 #52
These fuckers must think they are some kind of royalty. EnviroBat Jul 2012 #26
He Madmiddle Jul 2012 #34
What the guy really meant was... Hubert Flottz Jul 2012 #35
The whole Mitt experience just baffles me. For the LIFE of me, pnwest Jul 2012 #36
Palin handlers pretty much gave up on her and went with the "let's just make her Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #43
Joe Scab today admitted Rmoney has little political experience & is a businessman wordpix Jul 2012 #53
i think Romney IS Stupid , all of this is proof he got where he was JI7 Aug 2012 #74
3 for 3? SmittynMo Jul 2012 #42
re:Romney aide loses cool, curses at press in Poland allan01 Jul 2012 #45
Can't even take the pressure of a few pressers asking questions during a promotional/publicity tour suffragette Jul 2012 #51
That's just for asking reasonable questions. Can you imagine if he was really provoked . . . . . no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #57
obviously his handlers are keeping Rmoney from the press, just like Palin after the Couric interview wordpix Jul 2012 #58
Must not be going well for them. nt Cognitive_Resonance Jul 2012 #59
oh my, it's a 3fer!!!!! magical thyme Jul 2012 #61
If I were Romney's aide I would be swearing, too. Quantess Jul 2012 #64
It's going to get worse. I can see it now. randome Jul 2012 #67
That is one hell of an oxymoronic statement! askyeshua Jul 2012 #65
and the Romsters know what they can kiss... B Stieg Jul 2012 #68
Then again, in Polish, Jeb! is a swear word KamaAina Jul 2012 #69
Romney's people love to "demand" respect from the reporters.. not the first time. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #70
“Shove it...Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect.” rocktivity Jul 2012 #71
I'm loving this overseas trip. It's like Christmas in July! n/t Akoto Jul 2012 #73
Sounds like the Romney campaign tried to set the press up in a gotcha moment and fell .... marble falls Aug 2012 #75

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
2. "Kiss my ass" and "Shove it"
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:09 AM
Jul 2012
NYT: “We haven’t had another chance to ask a question…”

Gorka: “Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect.”

Moments later, Gorka told Jonathan Martin, a reporter for Politico, to “shove it.” About a half-hour later, the aide called reporters to apologize.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,323 posts)
28. How culturally insensitive are these guys?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:57 AM
Jul 2012

He should have said "Up your dupa" and "kiss my dupa"

geeze

 

ohgeewhiz

(193 posts)
3. How's that international tour going for you, Willard???
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:11 AM
Jul 2012

Making a mess out of visits to 3 out of 3 countries, that's got to be a worldwide record for any American politician, for sure, maybe a world record for international travelers.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
49. Nit-Mitt's "Magical Misery Tour"
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jul 2012

Without an good music...

though the fool, who'd like to be on the Hill, seems to be sitting there in 'blue jay way".... goo goo ga joob.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. Gee, what a crackerjack staff!! Kiss my ass and call me yer valentine!!
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:12 AM
Jul 2012


Let the flames begin!!!!


NYT: "We haven't had another chance to ask a question..."

Gorka: "Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect."

Moments later, Gorka told Jonathan Martin, a reporter for Politico, to "shove it." About a half-hour later, the aide called reporters to apologize.

Gorka's comments to the media came just hours before Romney's foreign policy speech in Warsaw.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/31/romney-aide-loses-cool-curses-at-press-in-poland/
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. playing devil's advocate.....it must be a very tough job to have -- having a client who refuses
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:35 AM
Jul 2012

to come clean and talk to the press. Having one who can't be trusted to speak off the cuff
without f'ing up.

And, based on his outrageous control freak personality...bet Romney blasts his staff
for not controlling the situation and keeping that image he wanted to portray (a solemn Romney who
actually gives a shit) from being tarnished.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. It can't have been a surprise to the guy. No sympathy from me.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:59 AM
Jul 2012

Either do the job professionally or don't do it at all. He's not getting paid to make his lousy candidate look worse, or make the news all about him.

That said, I am delighted at his fuckup!

RMoney hasn't been talking to the press for this entire trip. He never talks to the Press unless it's fauxsnooze, and he's not even talking to Greta, who is likening the clusterfuck trip to a petting zoo. The press has been crabbing since Britain--why did he pick Poland to decide to get shirty?

CNN is covering it in HEAVY rotation. "Kiss my (bleeeeeeep)" is the theme of the morning.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
37. Oh, I agree, the more fuckups the better ! totally. wish there were more
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:30 AM
Jul 2012

countries he could go to ! lol

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
32. You know what's even more difficult?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jul 2012

The press being forced to carry his water, despite him treating them like shit. I wonder how long it's going to be before some of them crack, go against their corporate masters, and let him have it. I suspect it may be soon. I understand even FoxNoise is starting to get pissed off.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
40. It's really an interesting subject to me -- how much influence/affect does a pool reporter have in
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jul 2012

the big scheme of things. I suspect, like you said, what they report is still subject to "corporate master" approval.
I suppose at the very least, they will tend to ignore anything good the candidate does?

Remember how the press loved McCain, cuz he's such a "good ole boy" on the bus? Maybe they ignored his
bad side because of this

I just pulled up Greta's blog....she speaks of the event (questions being thrown out)...but not the "kiss my ass" talk

++Note press loudly shouted qs to Romney at end but were ignored.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/31/gov-romney-press-pool-report-out-of-sequence/

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
56. To many of them seem to be afraid of being "Dan Rathered".
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jul 2012

Can't say I blame them. But, Romney has been acting like enough of a douchebag that I think he may just drive one of these people to snap. I suspect it will either be someone with little to lose, or someone big, who can afford lose his/her job. I'm betting on Shepherd Smith, myself.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
60. just heard Jim Acosta of CNN on the phone...he said that they were 100 yds away and that
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jul 2012

this was their last chance to ask a question..so they waited til MR walked away from the
memorial site. And they said the press guy walked over to them "out of the blue" and
cussed them out.

I think probably doing all that traveling, lugging all their camera and sound equipment from
country to country is probably VERY frustrating and you are right...some one will snap - sure do hope
you are right - would like to see Shep do it and have it broadcast on Faux news !

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. Greta Van Susteren, who went to Faux because they paid for her facelift, called the whole mess a
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jul 2012

"petting zoo."

Three questions answered in three countries visited (and all of the questions were answered in UK).

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
62. right...but thought that quote referred to the way all the people were surrounding them and looking
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:36 PM
Jul 2012

at them on the bus? Maybe I read it wrong

dawn frenzy adams

(429 posts)
72. Go against their corporate masters?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:16 PM
Jul 2012

Do you remember when President Obama tried to remove Fox News from the White House Press Corp? He viewed the network as not a legitimate news outlet. Jake Tapper, ABC's little jerk demanded that the president of the United States apologize to Fox News. As a matter of fact, he banded all of the Mainstream Media outlets together. They gave the president an ultimatum. Either he permit Fox News to remain in the White House Press Corps, or they would not cover his administration. Too bad Obama didn't take them up on it. After all, most of them are overpaid corporate hacks.

Romney has been given the press the finger since his campaign began. Where's that ass Jake Tapper now? I don't see CNN, NBC, ABC, or CBC giving Romney an ultimatum.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
38. And the further irony . . .
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:33 AM
Jul 2012

Since when is the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier a holy place? It is a monument and memorial, nothing holy or sacred there.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
66. You Cannot Write Better Comedy Than That
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:59 PM
Jul 2012

Stewart or Colbert, on their best days, cannot come up with a better line.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
6. If the GOP had any sense
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:15 AM
Jul 2012

They would be in panic right now. Mitt has shown himself to go beyond the point of mere awkwardness, to being outright clumsy. He is the singer that fights to get the main part, and then croaks. The difference being, as horrible as this will sound, W at least had enough charm to make some people overlook his incompetence, Mitt has none.

Of course, they do not. Mitt winning is meant to enshrine a specific point, that being rich and white are actually the two virtue America cares about; that the billionaires can enshrine an idiot BECAUSE he is incompetent, because he is no Jon Huntsman or even Newt Gingrich. They are paying a billion dollars just to smack down the rest of us for even thinking of putting a man in office who, for all his blackness, for all his attempts to make peace, is to them, a (insert racial expletive.)

Of course, they are also planning to cripple Mitt; if he dares even think about that etch a sketch, he will be impeached, with the same people that voted for him calling him a dirty Mormon.

Let's NOT give them the chance eh? VOTE!

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
10. I'll bet it's not so quiet in their "quiet rooms"
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:26 AM
Jul 2012

But they already know it's lost.

Just watch. A big chunk of the huge amounts of dark money they are collecting is going to go to congressional and senate races.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
54. They would be in panic right now.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:12 AM
Jul 2012

They weren't over Dubya.... who is just as inept.

But Dubya did as he was told. Like Reagan, he never even pretended to be in charge except to say things like "I'm the decider".... even if he wasn't. Willard acts like he's supposed to REALLY be in charge. And has no... whatever it is that passes for "charm" in GOP circles. Maybe Mittens should give everybody stupid prep-school nicknames.

Gabby Hayes

(289 posts)
7. In a related story.......
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:17 AM
Jul 2012

Former Vice-President Dan Quayle called for the arrest of the grave robbers and demanded the immediate return of the Unknown Soldier's remains to the United States.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
8. It reads like a line from Dr Strangelove
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:18 AM
Jul 2012
Gorka: "Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect."

Moments later, Gorka told Jonathan Martin, a reporter for Politico, to "shove it." About a half-hour later, the aide called reporters to apologize.




Reminds me of Kubrick's line "You can't fight HERE. This is the War Room!"
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
13. Looks like it's time to promote the assistant to the travelling secretary
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:35 AM
Jul 2012

Uh-oh...he has rage issues, too:

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
14. The media can effect this election
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:54 AM
Jul 2012

If the reporters embedded with this campaign choose, they can make a difference.

TBF

(32,039 posts)
16. I had no idea they could dig up a worse candidate than Palin -
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:12 AM
Jul 2012

this one can't even speak to the press without sticking his foot in his mouth, and his aides are openly hostile. Classy.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
19. And he can't even hire people with sense
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jul 2012

You can tell he has no experience being a "job creator" when he can't hire people any smarter than this.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
17. Just imagine the flack if President Obama's press secretary behaved like this.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:20 AM
Jul 2012

Fortunately, it will never happen.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
23. If Romney and his crack staff don't start up WW III before they return home, it'll be a miracle.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:41 AM
Jul 2012

They've visited 3 countries and managed to honk off officials at all 3 stops. It all boiled down to Romney and his staff's ignorance and arrogance.

But, back home, there will be a significant percentage of the voters who will love Romney for it. It will be for any one, or combination of 3 reasons:

1. Ole Mitt showed those furners that Amurka will dictate the dialog and say how things go if he's president.
2. Romney's not a Democrat.
3. Romney's not Black.

Javaman

(62,510 posts)
24. I see lost mittens has continued on his "fuck up then suck up" tour of stupidity.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:43 AM
Jul 2012

I love listening to repukes who twist themselves in to pretzels trying to explain away the incredibly obvious stupidity on display by lost mittens.

It's like listening to 3 year olds explaining away something they know they were caught doing.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. "Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect."
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:51 AM
Jul 2012

Did someone play this back for him on tape? I hope so.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
39. On paper it almost sounds like he is calling his "ass...a holy site"
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jul 2012

Like his ass is the Polish Blarney Stone.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. The Romney campaign has a history with pronoun trouble...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jul 2012

I'm seeing a campaign ad:

Mitt Romney's aide says that his rear end is a "Holy site" and that you should not only have 'respect' for it - you should "kiss it." (play sound bite).

Do you want a president that disrespects houses of worship here and abroad?

EnviroBat

(5,290 posts)
26. These fuckers must think they are some kind of royalty.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:52 AM
Jul 2012

I'd love to smash that smug asshole right in his face.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
35. What the guy really meant was...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:20 AM
Jul 2012

"You're either with us or against us!"

Same arrogant attitude as the BushCo crew!

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
36. The whole Mitt experience just baffles me. For the LIFE of me,
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jul 2012

I just don't understand what they're about. Palin I wrote off as just plain stupid and inexperienced. But Mitt has been pursuing this for YEARS, and he's not stupid.

So, ok, in the beginning, you make a couple of mistakes, commit a couple gaffes...you learn from that, correct course and fly right. But Mitt and his crew look as though they are TRYING to find the wrong move in every situation. The train wreck is so mesmerizing, so hypnotic, one wonders what else is going on somewhere else that is masked by this distraction.

I just don't get why the whole group of people in that campaign can fuck up so consistently. Every. Single. Day.

Velly, velly suspicious.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. Palin handlers pretty much gave up on her and went with the "let's just make her
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:52 AM
Jul 2012

memorize answers and keep her away from ad lib situations" strategy.

Even handlers know, though, if you are running for president, this strategy is impossible to keep up. And, I am sure, even they, think at some point, out of general common sense, that the candidate should be able to handle simple basic questions with ease if he is going to be the freakin prez of the country.

Sure, Mitt may be "smart" - I think with numbers and money...but doesn't mean he has savvy

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
53. Joe Scab today admitted Rmoney has little political experience & is a businessman
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jul 2012

That explains some.

NB: Joe did not realize in saying this he was basically admitting Candidate Mittie is unqualified for the highest political job in the land since he doesn't know much about politics.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
74. i think Romney IS Stupid , all of this is proof he got where he was
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:12 AM
Aug 2012

because of name and money. he is just like Bush.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
42. 3 for 3?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:44 AM
Jul 2012

What is it with Rmoney and/or his staff. Any time they open their mouths, stupidity comes out. Everywhere they go, it seems to be a clusterf*&k. I hope America is observing the stupidity coming from the right. And he wants to be president? OMG!!! Such class these idiots have!!

allan01

(1,950 posts)
45. re:Romney aide loses cool, curses at press in Poland
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:56 AM
Jul 2012

@ skinner , et al. that really really shows no class on rmoneys part. at least my mother taught me how to behave better than that .i remember when bushco told a group of m.i.a families to sit down and shut up . how crude. i got to throw in my usual,


suffragette

(12,232 posts)
51. Can't even take the pressure of a few pressers asking questions during a promotional/publicity tour
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:06 AM
Jul 2012

Looks like Romney and his crew have found and stepped in every cowpie possible on their Grand European Tour.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
58. obviously his handlers are keeping Rmoney from the press, just like Palin after the Couric interview
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jul 2012

Poor widdle Willard, can't answer questions w/out putting his foot in his mouth.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
61. oh my, it's a 3fer!!!!!
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jul 2012

3 country's visited; all 3 eff ups.

I soooo can't wait for the debates. If he gets that far.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
67. It's going to get worse. I can see it now.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jul 2012

During a press conference, one of his aides loses it completely when he hears the verbal shitstorm that Romney is about to cause him (for the umpteenth time) and starts strangling Romney at the podium while screaming, "Shut the fuck up! Shut the fuck up!"

No one from the press corps will intervene and the story the next day will be that Romney died of 'friendly fire'.

Only Ralfalca will mourn.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
69. Then again, in Polish, Jeb! is a swear word
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jul 2012

it basically means "F--- off". A Polish-speaking Floridian DUer pointed this out when that state was festooned with signs reading "Jeb!"

So maybe he was announcing his VP pick?

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
70. Romney's people love to "demand" respect from the reporters.. not the first time.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:28 PM
Jul 2012

They really have this notion that Romney is some sort of King. I wonder if he has that "you can't LOOK at me" thing with his staff. Don't address him directly, etc.

Here is not only Mitt but his Aide going after Glen Johnson of AP for having the nerve to question Romney on one of his lies in a press event. They truly are doing the "he is untouchable" routine with Romney.

http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romney-glen-johnson-flashback.html

rocktivity

(44,573 posts)
71. “Shove it...Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect.”
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jul 2012

And the gaffes just keep on coming!


rocktivity

marble falls

(57,063 posts)
75. Sounds like the Romney campaign tried to set the press up in a gotcha moment and fell ....
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:38 AM
Aug 2012

into it themselves.

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