Trumps Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

[TygrBright]

Source: NY Times

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

...

Ms. Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer invited to the Trump Tower meeting, is best known for mounting a multipronged attack against the Magnitsky Act.

The adoption impasse is a frequently used talking point for opponents of the Magnitsky Act. Ms. Veselnitskaya’s campaign against the law has also included attempts to discredit the man after whom it was named, Sergei L. Magnitsky, a lawyer and auditor who died in mysterious circumstances in a Russian prison in 2009 after exposing one of the biggest corruption scandals during Mr. Putin’s rule.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

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::ahem::

noncommitally,
Bright

[riversedge]

1. well, well, this gets more interesting as time goes by.

[mercuryblues]

2. Let me guess

I don't remember
Oh, yeah. that meeting, I don't remember what we talked about.
I didn't say that
Even if I did, it's not illegal if the president's family does it.

[Lindsay]

5. I heard the Democrats

set up the meeting to trap the Repubs.

[mercuryblues]

12. Ha

they never listen to themselves. Dems set up the meeting, so trump can get info on Clinton to beat her. I don't know what is worse, their logic or the republicans who believe it

[NCjack]

23. It's Obama's fault -- made us do it! n/t

[Wellstone ruled]

3. And the Electronic Media could give a rat's

ass about this. Forgot,they have a 5 Bilion dollar in kind investment in this Pile of Grifter's.

[Leghorn21]

4. Oh hot damn! Thanks for posting, Bright! My, my, my... eom

[unblock]

6. gosh, this is a surprise!

- donnie publicly asks russia to commit espionage on clinton for negative info

- russia commits espionage and gains negative info on clinton

- donnie uses negative info on clinton


and now we find out, shocker of all shockers, donnie might have gotten that negative info from russia.



who coulda seen that one coming?!

what crazy twists and turns are we in for next?

[livetohike]

7. Liars. They lie as easily as people breathe. I wonder

what the truth is? It must be awful if they have to throw all this b.s. out there.

[bora13]

10. I'll have the M.A.L.A. Chicken

extra spicy

[pangaia]

52. You know MALA???

As in Mapo Dofu, etc???

[Iliyah]

8. Reise Priebus blames the Dems because they set the meeting

Yeah right. That's all the GOPers do is blame blame blame

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. He claims Fusion GPS set it up, a group supposedly behind the oppo research that got the dossier.

His statement has the fingerprints of Republican Trump's legal team defending his role in that thing that does not exist, supposedly.

{excerpt}

He pointed to an article on Circa, the news site owned by the right-wing media giant Sinclair Broadcast Group, which cited a spokesman for Trump’s legal team.

{/excerpt}

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-russia-lawyer_us_59624746e4b0615b9e922779

[vrguy]

9. Sunday news drop?

....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Probably reaction, by some people in the know, to Republican tRump's kowtowing to Putin.

Republican President Trump accepted Putin's denials and did not get anything substantive from him on the issue. Quite the opposite. He agreed to setting up a cyber security channel with the Russians.

They met Friday. That gives Saturday for the source(s) of this article to give the go-ahead or fill the last points needed by NYT to satisfy their journalistic criteria. Articles are often in development for a few days or weeks before they are published.

That would explain the timing of this information.

[DetlefK]

11. Do you want to know why Putin is so desperate to bury the Magnitsky-case?

Because the corruption-scheme Sergej Magnitsky uncovered involved corrupt cops, documents stolen by corrupt agents of the Ministry of the Interior and corrupt judges awarding damages for claims based on falsified documents.

It would be pretty embarassing if Putin had to admit that the russian government is corrupt to the highest levels and that there is nobody you can trust.
Not the russian cops.
Not the russian Ministry of the Interior.
Not the russian judges.
This would reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally clash with Putin's law-and-order propaganda.



Do you want to know HOW desperate Putin is to bury this case?

Magnitsky died in jail during the trial. He was found guilty posthumously.


EDIT:
The offices of the opposition-politician Navalny were raided this week for the flimsiest possible reasons, and documents confiscated. I wouldn't be surprised if the russian cops will pull some shit with Navalny's documents.

[H2O Man]

14. Thank you.

[Leghorn21]

20. Thank you, DetlefK. Inch by inch, I may be gaining some understanding of this..."situation",

thanks to posts like this.

And - all power to Aleksei A. Navalny and his supporters!!! The courage, the nerve, the determination he manifests, knowing full frickin well what he's up against - it just boggles the mind...

[kentuck]

35. Very interesting!

Thanks!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

47. Putin thickens burial plots. . . . . nt

[3_Limes]

86. I'm not sure this makes sense.

What independent judiciary will be prosecuting Putin for this? Certainly not one in Russia, as no such thing exists there. So who is it that he would be afraid of?

[DetlefK]

88. Not whom. The scandal would destroy the reputation of his government.

Putin is the tough law&order-guy, the defender of all that is good, the protector of the orthodox church, the bane of the homosexuals and the death of drug-addicts.

Putin is stability and security.

Every Russian knows that Russia is corrupt, except that it can be "explained away". Now imagine the horror if the very government that is fighting corruption turns out to be corrupt.
There are regular protests against the russian government. And it's well-known that the russian elections are tampered with with bribed voters and "carousel voting" where the same voters are bused from polling-station to polling-station. I remember a case from a few years ago, when russian soldiers had to hand in their passports to their officers and the officers voted in stead of the soldiers.



Russia likes to portray itself as a bastion of civilization even though it's rotten to the core. That is all they have left: nationalism.
"We are better than you."
Imagine the horror of having to admit that you are in no way better than other countries.

[H2O Man]

13. Recommended.

[Julian Englis]

15. Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

"Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason." John Harington

Or a plank in the Republican party platform.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

58. Trump gang, Republicans don't dare; too complicit. Their RWAFs follow their lead; they believe RWAs.

[d_r]

16. I have seen too many movies

Because this attorney looks like a Russian spy out of central casting

[NastyRiffraff]

31. That's Ms. Veselnitskaya?

You're right. Central casting.

[d_r]

36. I saw it on guardian

Apparently it's her facebook photo.

[flibbitygiblets]

32. I think I saw her on an episode of Law and Order, about Russian mail-order brides?

[ThoughtCriminal]

43. Central casting

Also has excellent dirt on both Moose and Squirrel.

[Solly Mack]

17. K&R

[Arkansas Granny]

18. Another meeting that they "forgot" to disclose when Kushner and

Manafort filled out applications so security clearance.

This is just bizarre. How are Republicans going to spin this one?

[riversedge]

38. Oh, just wait. It will be a doozy!

[not fooled]

60. Never fear

somehow they will claim it's Obama's fault. And Hillary's.

[Achilleaze]

19. republican traitors to America all deserve jail

lock them up

[janx]

21. Yesterday, he responded with a canned statement

(probably from his lawyer) to the NYT and CNN.

Today, it seems he is coming out with the real reason for the meeting. What changed?

[rzemanfl]

51. Maybe his lawyer charges doubletime on Sundays? n/t

[Hekate]

22. KnR

[pnwmom]

24. Hah! So Jr's best defense is that he was duped. That he thought he was at the meeting only

to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton.

But the Kremlin lawyer actually wanted to talk to him about sanctions and the Magnitsky act.

Sorry, Jr., you're screwed either way.

[janx]

25. Why did he change his story from yesterday?

?

[riversedge]

42. Did these WH advisors lead the information about Clinton?? There is no time given as to

when donny Jr released his statement. I do not know. But if so, then Jr was forced to make the statement today IMHO




https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share


nytimes.com
Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton
Jo Becker, Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman
13-17 minutes

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it..............


http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/09/ny-times-just-revealed-reason-trumps-son-met-kremlin-lawyer/

...........Curiously enough, Trump Jr. failed to mention this when he was first asked about the meeting yesterday, instead saying that it was in regards to US-Russian adoption policies and the Magnitsky Act, a blacklist of Russian human rights abusers..................

[janx]

44. Yep, I think he had to for some reason.

And the sources of the new information may have ratted him out.

[riversedge]

48. sure seems like it. But I would like a more concrete timeline.

[pnwmom]

67. It's unclear. Possibly the WH people acted on his behalf because the truth

was even worse, and this is the story they're all going with:

That he was TRICKED into meeting to talk with this Kremlin lawyer about sanctions.

[WinkyDink]

61. Native stupidity. The Big City playahs can't handle anything but abject surrender

to Putin.

[George II]

26. Not only that but he all but swore he had no contact with any Russians during the campaign.

[flibbitygiblets]

29. Then he said he DID meet with them, but they definitely didn't discuss foreign policy "100% not"...

...they only discussed the ban on adopting Russian children due to the Magnitsky act, and ...uh oh...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. But the ban on adoption IS a foreign policy issue. Was reaction to US sanction on Russia. . . nt

[janx]

49. Yes indeed it is.

And I'm sure we'll learn more about sanctions talk as time goes by. The Russians really want those luxury compounds back.

[Shell_Seas]

81. That's not the whole story.

I'm sure it was discussions about an even trade. Info for lifting sanctions after election. But we can't expect them to be honest.

[Gothmog]

27. WOW

Link to tweet

[wishstar]

77. Trying to divert attention away toward another rabbit hole-hey look over there at Dems

Next thing, we'll be hearing Repubs call for investigations into Russians funding DNC to help Hillary (and a Trump tweet to that effect) based on Jr's allegation.

[winstars]

28. Sorry, not more to say than this:

Is Donnie's mob name:

Little Two Scoops???

[flibbitygiblets]

30. Dear God, that boy is dumber than a bag of hammers

he can't be sent to prison fast enough IMO. Then the arrogant little twerp will sing like a bird.

[GeorgeGist]

33. Uday or Jared indicted first?

[L. Coyote]

34. Is Ms. Veselnitskaya a 400 pound guy on a couch?

Didn't think so

[red dog 1]

39. Rep, Adam Schiff (D-CA), said he wanted to question "everyone who was at that meeting"

(From the NYT article)
Schiff is the leading Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

"There's no reason for this Russian government advocate to be meeting with Paul Manafort or with Mr. Kushner or the president's son if it wasn't about the campaign and Russia policy,"
Mr. Schiff said after the initial Times report.


How do these Trump Crime Family gangsters & criminals get away with this type of shit?

Will Trump, Manafort, Kushner & the others EVER be questioned, under penalty of perjury, about this and other illegal meetings with Putin's Russian agents SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF DAMAGING HILLARY CLINTON & THE DEMOCRATS?

Trump is on record saying, many times, I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT!
(So far, he's absolutely right)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. Three people in the meeting will have three stories & three avenues for Mueller.

They won't be able to maintain the cover story in the same detail and one will crack and squeal on the others.

Maybe Kushner since he is quasi-independent despite marriage to Ivanka. He also has his own financial troubles that he might think will be solved by distancing his brand from the Republican-Trump brand.

{excerpt}Kushner has been under investigation after failing to disclose his own meetings with Russian officials during Trump’s transition in December, and the Times found this new revelation through a revised version of a form that Kushner filled out to receive a government security clearance.{/excerpt} http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/donald-trump-jr-met-with-russian-lawyer-after-being-promised-damaging-intel-on-hillary-clinton-report_us_59629482e4b0615b9e926ea0

Mini-Trump is family and presumably wants to inherit, so he's unlikely to shit on the family business.

Manafort has probably decided his business interests lie with right wing Eastern European & Russian politics. But he might break if the option for standing pat is jail time. On the other hand he might bolt to Russia and burn his bridge to the USA.

[ancianita]

72. Confessions are always welcome at the Bureau, which already has evidence, anyway.

The roll out continues, and is keeping this administration on the bleeding edge.

[riversedge]

46. Cnn (just now) saying that the WH is referring questions to Trumps outside legal lawyer and

that this lawyer is just saying what Jr. said--that Donald was not invited to the meeting and did not know about it.

So, the narrative is that Donald Dr was out of the loop.


http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/09/ny-times-just-revealed-reason-trumps-son-met-kremlin-lawyer/

......Curiously enough, Trump Jr. failed to mention this when he was first asked about the meeting yesterday, instead saying that it was in regards to US-Russian adoption policies and the Magnitsky Act, a blacklist of Russian human rights abusers.

This is the closest thing to evidence of Trump-Russian collusion that has been revealed to this date, and heavily indicates that the knowledge of the conspiracy does in fact go all the way to the top – two members of Trump’s family would not attend such a meeting without knowledge of the patriarch..............

[Iliyah]

55. t-rump sr. knew and he knows that Russia in fact messed with the USA's election

in favor of him. t-rump also knows the election was rigged.

[riversedge]

50. "Coordination, collusion, treason. Whatever you want to call it, the gun just started to smoke"...

Rob Reiner?Verified account @robreiner 22m22 minutes ago

Coordination, collusion, treason. Whatever you want to call it, the gun just started to smoke. #LockThemUp

Link to tweet

One reply:

Link to tweet

[riversedge]

53. BREAKING: it's beginning to look a lot like Trump-Russia collusion, everywhere you look 😳.

#ResistanceFighter liked
Amy Siskind?Verified account @Amy_Siskind 2h2 hours ago

BREAKING: it's beginning to look a lot like Trump-Russia collusion, everywhere you look 😳.

Link to tweet

[Maeve]

78. I think we have the basis for a song there...

It's beginning to look a lot like treason,
Everywhere you go!
Take a look at the Trump hotel
At Manafort, as well,
And Flynn is in the greatest mess, you know!

It's beginning to look a lot like treason,
Soon the doom will fall,
And the prettiest sight to see
Is when Pence is up a tree
With Don the Con, Jared and all!

[riversedge]

54. Robby Mook on Cnn now--asking at what point do we stop giving Trump the benefit of the doubt??

Someone needs to step up and clean House. We can not be under Russian Influence he says.

[Iliyah]

56. The GOPs are just as guilty as t-rump and crew.

[onecent]

63. Good for you Robby....someone has to stop Trump from HIS benefits!!!!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

57. Uday (or is it Qusay?): I don't know any Russians.

I never met with any Russians.
I don't remember meeting with any Russians.
I might have gone to a meeting where there were Russians but I don't remember them.
Oh, that meeting? I don't remember why I was there. Was there a Russian at the meeting?
Oh, that Russian? I don't remember what she said. I don't remember what I said.
I don't remember what anybody said.
We didn't talk about policy.
The Democrats tricked me into going to the meeting.

[ancianita]

74. ...

[Still In Wisconsin]

59. So what? None of these stories matter.

None of this will ever matter until the rank and file Republicans see Donny Four Chins as a liability.

[riversedge]

62. VP Flashback.....

Link to tweet

[Not Ruth]

64. The reason for Junior taking the meeting matters

There were probably a thousand people looking to meet with Junior. Just in case Trump won, they would have a fast track to a meeting with Trump. That is what every lobbyist in DC does for their 7 figure salaries.

Junior had to have layers and layers of staff to filter out those people.

So why did he take the meeting?

For all we know, Junior could have initiated the meeting. Bigly problem for Junior.

Kushner could have pushed it. If so, he is gone.

Manafort? Did he do it for a fee. Meh. Did he do it with knowledge of how illegal it was? Just add it to the mountain of evidence against Manafort. Does not make a difference at this point.

Hopefully there are tapes, or else Manafort is taking one for the team.

[Doug the Dem]

65. Con getting Conned

Gotta love it!

[Stuart G]

66. Thanks for posting....k and r...nt

[riversedge]

68. DONNY Jr. Full statement today Sunday

Rob Reiner liked
Keith Olbermann?Verified account @KeithOlbermann 26m26 minutes ago

Keith Olbermann Retweeted NBC News

Confession: The confession of @DonaldJTrumpJr? I've now read this confession twice. I'll confess I don't think Don realizes he's confessed.



NBC News?Verified account @NBCNews

JUST IN: Donald Trump Jr. responds to reports that he met with Kremlin-linked lawyer during campaign

Link to tweet

[Not Ruth]

69. And now, right now, is when Team Patriot should release the tapes

There is no reason whatsoever to hold them back, just the opposite.

Tapes not transcript, because everything matters, especially tone. Was Junior thirsty?

[Not Ruth]

87. The meeting is on tape

Link to tweet

[madaboutharry]

70. What a load of bullshit.

This statement reads like a note written by a middle schooler after he was caught drawing graffiti in the boy's bathroom.

These people are idiots. They need better lawyers to tell them to shut up and say nothing. What is wrong with them that they feel they have to get the last word in before the first word is even spoken?

[Botany]

83. "There was no further contact .... "

Outside of the computer that was installed in Trump's HQ.

[riversedge]

84. Hopefully we will find out soon. Stay tuned.

[Biggles53]

71. Aren't we lucky that criminals

like this are so dumb...!?

[blue-wave]

73. Drip Drip Drip

Slowly the truth is leaking out. Soon it will turn into a torrent.

[moondust]

75. Wikileaks?

Is that where her "damaging information on Clinton" came from?

[trueblue2007]

76. ia this criminal activity ????

[RobinA]

79. That's My Question

So a candidate or somebody close to him sought negative info about an opposing candidate. Isn't this about as old as elections? This seems like a massive distraction. Trump fans don't care, and unless it's somehow illegal it's a nonissue.

[keithbvadu2]

80. It's just another Trump group lie about not meeting with the Russians.

[writes3000]

82. PLEASE, PLEASE READ THIS POST from pwnmom! Here's what you need to know about this meeting!

Pwnmom connects some serious, scary dots. I'd bet money Rachel Maddow reports on this tonight.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029306699

[riversedge]

85. Just read it. thanks for heads up.