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Doug the Dem

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Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:16 PM Jul 2017

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The more the Brits see of Trump, the better the EU will look to them. nt NCjack Jul 2017 #1
If BrExit vote were done today it would fail. I think the way out will be another vote despite Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #2
Seriously? Laffy Kat Jul 2017 #3
But you have a chance to vote the Unspeakable out within 4 years LeftishBrit Jul 2017 #8
They need a Brexit we need a Trexit bucolic_frolic Jul 2017 #4
The Brit's see the hand writting on the wall. Wellstone ruled Jul 2017 #5
Views from a Traitor weydowner Jul 2017 #6
I was in a taxi in Crawley a few weeks ago Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #10
It's the same kind of propaganda. I imagine it's being pinpointed through social media. yardwork Jul 2017 #14
Hope he's right. LeftishBrit Jul 2017 #7
I'm pretty sure it's going to happen, chaotically and destructively Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #9
Too late now... regnaD kciN Jul 2017 #11
I'm sure they would all vote to let us back in T_i_B Jul 2017 #13
It was a dumb idea to begin with. Mickju Jul 2017 #12

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
1. The more the Brits see of Trump, the better the EU will look to them. nt
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jul 2017

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,785 posts)
2. If BrExit vote were done today it would fail. I think the way out will be another vote despite
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:44 PM
Jul 2017

Despite adamant denials against a re-vote, I think all parties realize that another vote, carefully cast as anything but a "re-do", will be their way out, including the Cons way out.

They do their best to negotiate between parties and with the EU and will come up with a mess of an exit that will be put to a vote because May does not have a majority. It will be voted down and everyone except the hard right and Putin will sigh with relief.

Laffy Kat

(16,354 posts)
3. Seriously?
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:54 PM
Jul 2017

They may get to undo Brexit but we're still stuck with 45? Not fair!

LeftishBrit

(41,190 posts)
8. But you have a chance to vote the Unspeakable out within 4 years
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:28 PM
Jul 2017

If Brexit isn't stopped soon, it may be almost impossible to go back.

bucolic_frolic

(42,663 posts)
4. They need a Brexit we need a Trexit
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 06:56 PM
Jul 2017

Do it all over. Roll the dice. This is not working.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. The Brit's see the hand writting on the wall.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:09 PM
Jul 2017

Surprised they have not hit the streets yet on this issue. Their Economy is shrinking daily and May has zero respect from Macron or Merkel. And that is the real story. Most of the Multi-National Banks and what little Manufacturing they have left,are now planning their exit to the Mainland.

Germany and France are recruiting the Best and Brightest of the Techie's. After Decades of Britain's so called Empire looks more like the fall of Rome.

weydowner

(100 posts)
6. Views from a Traitor
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:22 PM
Jul 2017

This 'news' has caused apoplexy on the talk-shows and amongst the right-based media. There isn't the insane Republican types over here but t is going that way - the people who hate Europe and foreigners and immigration have become emboldened and LOUD and obsessed with betrayal and double-dealing, and those lefty comfortable generally London-based intellectuals are not being crushed under the heels of the true patriotic John Bull-types.

There is a suppressed hysteria around, much like many Americans being told that their guns are at stake. This mood, of course is being stoked by such true Brits as Rupert Murdoch and various equally repulsive press owners and such luminaries as Nigel Farage and various bovine MPs.

Even if this Brexit nonsense is disastrous and has no merits, any reversal will be 'Thwarting the Will of the People' and 'Ignoring the Popular Voice of the Masses' and other Mussolini-type cliches.

Ho-hum.

At least we don't have Trump.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
10. I was in a taxi in Crawley a few weeks ago
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:43 PM
Jul 2017

The nonsense the guy had on the radio was as crazy and incendiary as anything I have heard in the US.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
14. It's the same kind of propaganda. I imagine it's being pinpointed through social media.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 07:49 AM
Jul 2017

The world is besieged right now with evil brainwashing propaganda and it's so effective, the targets don't even suspect that they're being brainwashed.

LeftishBrit

(41,190 posts)
7. Hope he's right.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:26 PM
Jul 2017
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
9. I'm pretty sure it's going to happen, chaotically and destructively
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:35 PM
Jul 2017

And it is going to be a terminal velocity free-fall into blast-resistant concrete Brexit, even if that isn't the intention.

I also think within twenty years the UK will be effectively forced by circumstances to rejoin the EU and join the Euro. There is no future for the UK outside of the EU, none. Of course this will come only after they lose millions of skilled manufacturing and professional jobs to the mainland. But I am sure there will be some killer raves at One Canada Square.

I really hoped that Elizabeth May would be the adult in the room on Brexit, but her unflinching embrace of this insanity and the total abdication of Labour as the opposition finds us where we are today.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
11. Too late now...
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:58 PM
Jul 2017

Article 50 has already been triggered. Much like a nuclear missle once launched, there's no way to "recall" Article 50. In two years, the U.K. will either be out of Europe with a negotiated deal or out of Europe with no deal.

The only way to stop Brexit would be for Britain to ask the E.U. to let them back in -- and that would require a unanimous vote of all twenty-seven remaining nations. If you don't think at least one would veto it just because (to make an example of the U.K., or because they think they would profit economically from Britain having worse trade terms), you're a lot more optimistic than you should be.

T_i_B

(14,734 posts)
13. I'm sure they would all vote to let us back in
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:33 AM
Jul 2017

The real problem is the utterly deluded political class in this country.

We live in an age when neither of the main 2 parties, one of which is always in power is fit to govern, or even capable of governing Britain.

Mickju

(1,794 posts)
12. It was a dumb idea to begin with.
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 11:35 PM
Jul 2017

And of course Trump was for it.

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