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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:28 AM Jul 2012

Romney explains 'culture' remark, blames media for bad Press

Source: CNN

6 minutes ago
Romney explains 'culture' remark, blames media for bad press
(CNN) – Mitt Romney said Tuesday he wasn't denigrating the culture of Palestinians when he suggested at a fund-raiser that Israel's culture played a role in its economic success.

Romney's comments, made Monday, drew sharp criticism from Palestinian leaders, who blasted them as "racist.

I'm not speaking about, did not speak about, the Palestinian culture, or the decisions made in their economy," Romney clarified in an interview with Fox News. "That's an interesting topic that deserves scholarly analysis, but I actually didn't address that. I certainly don't plan to address that during my campaign. Instead, I will point out, the choices a society makes have a profound impact on the economy and the vitality of that society."

On Monday, Romney made a comparison between the per capita GDPs of Israel and Palestinian-controlled areas at a high-dollar fund-raiser in central Jerusalem.



Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/31/romney-explains-culture-remark-blames-media-for-bad-press/



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Romney explains 'culture' remark, blames media for bad Press (Original Post) maddezmom Jul 2012 OP
He continually makes remarks and continually backs out of those same remarks. liberal N proud Jul 2012 #1
He just implied the Palestinians have a shitty culture get the red out Jul 2012 #2
While at the same time implying that XemaSab Jul 2012 #27
Takes talent get the red out Aug 2012 #32
Yeah, the Press made me say and do all those stupid things. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #3
That different? ewagner Jul 2012 #4
next headline: Rmoney Says Palestinians Make Bad Choices wordpix Jul 2012 #9
seriously! how is that any different? if anything it's more insulting! n/t freeplessinseattle Jul 2012 #31
he's always blaming someone else - the media is the chump here but they making cash out of it so leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #5
If you have to keep explaining what you say after you say it, maybe you aren't the spokesperson you uppityperson Jul 2012 #6
I don't think his "explanation" helped him all that much tularetom Jul 2012 #7
Sarah Palin word salad w/ better grammar Botany Jul 2012 #8
Or, as Jonathan Capehart said the other day ... Tracer Aug 2012 #34
Romney implies that "vulture capitalism" is culture? indypaul Jul 2012 #10
A vulture eats the dead. aquart Jul 2012 #25
CNN again, covering for Mitt... KansDem Jul 2012 #11
The So-Called Media Caeser67 Jul 2012 #12
"I didn't say what I said and I'll say it again!" nolabear Jul 2012 #13
"But whatever I said I'll stand by it." lunatica Jul 2012 #21
Why does CNN put "racist" in quotation marks? The Stranger Jul 2012 #14
Isn't that like. . . matt819 Jul 2012 #15
Oh good gawd...what an idiot SoapBox Jul 2012 #16
so his ignorance Third Doctor Jul 2012 #17
Is this a "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" moment -- or is he just dumb? starroute Jul 2012 #18
"Culture." Igel Jul 2012 #29
What a wimp. Take ownership of your own ideas and words, FFS. JBoy Jul 2012 #19
Romney has done more apologizing for America than Obama ever would. lunatica Jul 2012 #20
Oh yes, that's it, blame the media tawadi Jul 2012 #22
Rmoney shits on white carpet...blames carpet....nt Evasporque Jul 2012 #23
first he fucks up then he sucks up. that is his "style". Javaman Jul 2012 #24
Could the Over $3 Billion Annually In US Foreign Aid Also Be A Factor? TomCADem Jul 2012 #26
"the choices a society makes" How exactly is that better than saying it is the culture? yellowcanine Jul 2012 #28
More precise. Igel Jul 2012 #30
Dog Whistle Politics President T Toilet Aug 2012 #33

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
1. He continually makes remarks and continually backs out of those same remarks.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jul 2012

The media he is blaming allows him to continue to do this.

Who's the chump?

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
2. He just implied the Palestinians have a shitty culture
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jul 2012

He didn't come right out and SAY it or anything. LOL.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
4. That different?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:36 AM
Jul 2012

I think he just implied the same, exact thing......he said...what he said...e.g. Palestinians make bad choices....

the press is going to let him get away with it?

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
5. he's always blaming someone else - the media is the chump here but they making cash out of it so
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:40 AM
Jul 2012

they dont care

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. If you have to keep explaining what you say after you say it, maybe you aren't the spokesperson you
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012

think you are or that should be representing others?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
7. I don't think his "explanation" helped him all that much
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012
"Instead, I will point out, the choices a society makes have a profound impact on the economy and the vitality of that society."


IOW, the Palestinians made their some stupid choices and they have nobody else to blame for the fact that those stupid choices have negatively affected their citizens.

That may go over well with Sheldon Adelson and some other fat cats, but it looks like hell to the rest of the world. And he doesn't have to impress Adelson since he's already gotten a bazillion bucks from him.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
8. Sarah Palin word salad w/ better grammar
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jul 2012

" I'm not speaking about, did not speak about, the Palestinian culture, or the decisions made
in their economy," Romney clarified in an interview with Fox News. "That's an interesting
topic that deserves scholarly analysis, but I actually didn't address that. I certainly don't
plan to address that during my campaign. Instead, I will point out, the choices a society
makes have a profound impact on the economy and the vitality of that society."

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
34. Or, as Jonathan Capehart said the other day ...
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:25 AM
Aug 2012

"He just tossed some croutons on that word salad".

(slightly paraphrased)

indypaul

(949 posts)
10. Romney implies that "vulture capitalism" is culture?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

This writer does not equate the misery caused by the loss of jobs
and industry to communities of this nation, in any respect, to be
referred to as culture.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
25. A vulture eats the dead.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jul 2012

A vampire steals the vital force of the living. Romney destroyed the living.

Romney practices vampire capitalism.

Caeser67

(156 posts)
12. The So-Called Media
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:00 PM
Jul 2012

Continues to let this Man lie and retract, he never pays for his insults. Typical spoiled, rich Man behavior.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
16. Oh good gawd...what an idiot
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jul 2012

Mittens you are a total moron.

It's ALWAYS someone else's fault, for your fast mouth...always.

And then you don't even have the balls to own it.

Flip-flopp'n...Etch-a-Sketch'n...liar...creep...wimp...loser........I need more words.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
18. Is this a "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is" moment -- or is he just dumb?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jul 2012

He says that he's "not speaking about the Palestinian culture or the decisions made in their economy."

Instead, he's pointing out that "the choices a society makes ... have a profound effect on the economy."

In other words, he insists he's not talking about either culture or economics -- but just about "choices." And not the kinds of choices that individuals make about things like purchases or employment, which can have a cumulative economic effect, but the choices "a society" as a whole makes.

Whatever the hell that means.

So is he operating at some very high level of abstract hair-splitting here? Is "choices" one more of those Christianoid or Randist dog-whistles thus us innocent lefties can't decipher? Or is he just stupid beyond all recognition?


On edit: Another possibility just occurred to me. Maybe he's referring to the persistent claim that the Palestinians had any number of opportunities to have a state of their own but blew all of them. (See, for example http://www.mitchellbard.com/articles/palstate.html) And that if they had just played ball, foreign investment and prosperity would have followed.

Well, it's a theory. But then where does the Providence part fit in?

Igel

(35,296 posts)
29. "Culture."
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jul 2012

He's hairsplitting definitions. He's not so much backing down as muddying the waters.

For a lot of people it's the 4 Fs: food, fashion, folklore, festivals. To say somebody has a lousy culture is an insult because they're all equal. I don't like masakhan, but then again, I don't like pickled herring either. Islam and Buddhism and Xianity each has variants that allow cut-throat prosperity; both have variants that say we should all quit our jobs and hie to a monastery.

For me culture is inheritance laws, response to oppression, social trust, freedom of speech, family size, value of education, religious liberty, role of women, that kind of thing: The intifada was a choice, for example, as was valuing martyrdom.

Borders were open through Israel in the '90s. Economy was expanding rapidly. Intifada and suicide bombings happened; the borders closed. Economy was flushed. Choice, consequence. They didn't choose the consequence, but we don't usually get to do so.

People take issue with saying "culture." But few would say that how society treats women, how society provides (or doesn't provide) education, how society distributes opportunity or values freedom of speech have nothing at all to do with prosperity. Many are hogtied by their words.


"Providence" is another way of saying "luck." Your choice: Random events or God's working out his inscrutable plan. Natural gas deposits, for example. Water. Trifids.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
26. Could the Over $3 Billion Annually In US Foreign Aid Also Be A Factor?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

I guess we can't talk about foreign Aid and socialized health care, so what about cultural superiority?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
28. "the choices a society makes" How exactly is that better than saying it is the culture?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jul 2012

Now he makes the Palestinians sound like a wayward teenager.

33. Dog Whistle Politics
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:11 AM
Aug 2012

If there is one thing that Mitt and gang have mastered and that is "dog whistle" politics. He can't come right and say the Palenstinians are terrorists, but to those who think they are the "dog whistle" was loud and clear when he mentioned "culture". The Republicans are doing the same thing here with Obama. If you listen closely to much of the rhetoric they are definitaley pandering to the repooplican racist base.

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