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jpak

(41,741 posts)
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:16 PM Jul 2017

The White House just posted the emails of critics without censoring sensitive personal information

Source: Vox

The White House just responded to concerns it would release voters’ sensitive personal information by releasing a bunch of voters’ sensitive personal information.

Last month, the White House’s “election integrity” commission sent out requests to every state asking for all voters’ names, party IDs, addresses, and even the last four digits of their Social Security numbers, among other information. The White House then said this information would be made available to the public.

A lot of people did not like the idea, fearing that their personal information could be made public. So some sent emails to the White House, demanding that it rescind the request.

This week, the White House decided to make those emails from concerned citizens public through the commission's new website. But the administration made a big mistake: It didn’t censor any of the personal information — such as names, email addresses, actual addresses, and phone numbers — included in those emails.

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Read more: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/14/15973464/white-house-election-integrity-doxx



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The White House just posted the emails of critics without censoring sensitive personal information (Original Post) jpak Jul 2017 OP
yeah new bora13 Jul 2017 #1
Get ready to be threatened by Trump supporters those of you whose personal information has been Stargazer99 Jul 2017 #2
The only politically motivated crimes or threats that they hear about on Fox News mtngirl47 Jul 2017 #26
+1000, Stargazer99. raven mad Jul 2017 #29
The incompetence is staggering PJMcK Jul 2017 #3
It's not incompetence. Dave Starsky Jul 2017 #8
Agreed. This is a barely cloaked invite for Der tRumples* online stormtroopers... Raster Jul 2017 #11
And Maybe Offline, IRL Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #55
hear hear! luvallpeeps Jul 2017 #13
I agree also. Mickju Jul 2017 #24
Ding-Ding-Ding! poli-junkie Jul 2017 #27
Exactly Corgigal Jul 2017 #32
Yep. One way for totalitarianism to sneak in. Terrorize those who speak out. Kablooie Jul 2017 #43
Agreed. happy feet Jul 2017 #52
Not incompetence, threat. NT enough Jul 2017 #10
This wasn't an accident. neeksgeek Jul 2017 #16
It was deliberate NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #30
Trump has lived his life on bullshit and pretend, with other people's money. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #18
Incompetent and malicious. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2017 #35
There you go - incompetence and malice... dchill Jul 2017 #41
New hell, they're just a-holes onit2day Jul 2017 #4
words for this despicable release of private... chillfactor Jul 2017 #5
But a bunch of ignorant, vindictive, assholes! chwaliszewski Jul 2017 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jul 2017 #7
No, this wasn't due to an ERROR. This was DELIBERATE. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #9
They're not "new" at it. They're EVIL at it. They want those who are opposed to voter suppression CousinIT Jul 2017 #12
More LAWSUITS coming FakeNoose Jul 2017 #14
No mistake made they want to release the kracken on dems KRISITNA Jul 2017 #15
This Was So Very ON PURPOSE.... LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 #17
There are some hefty fines for doing this. rickford66 Jul 2017 #19
Overview of the Privacy Act of 1974 csziggy Jul 2017 #25
Yup. That's the stuff. Great reading if you have trouble sleeping. rickford66 Jul 2017 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author DBoon Jul 2017 #20
You might want to delete this. dgibby Jul 2017 #33
I meant it as what the Trump admin is trying to do with its critics DBoon Jul 2017 #34
In the irony of ironies Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #21
they want trolls to attack. pansypoo53219 Jul 2017 #22
100% correct. That's how these radical RWs operate- like nazis they mark targets for troll attacks Sunlei Jul 2017 #53
Can it be any more obvious? The TRUMP administration did this on purpose in order to endanger lives Still In Wisconsin Jul 2017 #23
so, the American government has deliberately taken it upon itself to endanger American citizens renate Jul 2017 #31
I've spent the past six weeks on the phone to DC SusanaMontana41 Jul 2017 #36
It's a double edged threat, aimed at those who have already emailed and those who might in future. suffragette Jul 2017 #37
OUTRAGEOUS! And should be used in the lawsuits trying to prevent this nat'l database. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #38
Wake up people! It voter suppression by another name. nikibatts Jul 2017 #39
You will be punished for speaking out, apparently. Kee-riste. Hekate Jul 2017 #40
I just checked. Tons of angry people's emails, addresses and numbers. Kablooie Jul 2017 #42
so they only posted the correspondence from critics? Skittles Jul 2017 #44
Everytime I read about one more of these abominations Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #45
Lock them up Achilleaze Jul 2017 #46
Rachel Maddow reported on this last night, it's yet another serious national blunder! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #47
Administration releases sensitive information of voters worried about their sensitive information dalton99a Jul 2017 #48
Federal agencies have been doing that for about the last three years with their "public comment peri Sunlei Jul 2017 #49
Accidentally on purpose IronLionZion Jul 2017 #50
Hopefully lawsuits will follow. This is another step towards outright fascism. Doodley Jul 2017 #51
Kobach is being an asshole Gothmog Jul 2017 #54
Scanned 4 days worth of responses - boring Hangingon Jul 2017 #56

Stargazer99

(2,538 posts)
2. Get ready to be threatened by Trump supporters those of you whose personal information has been
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:21 PM
Jul 2017

released. I getting damn tired of conservative Republican threats to anyone who disagrees with them.
And still you Trump supporters stand silent...maybe because it is not you who will receive the threats.
There might be a day when the shoe goes on the other foot...better think before you start a precedent

mtngirl47

(985 posts)
26. The only politically motivated crimes or threats that they hear about on Fox News
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 04:54 PM
Jul 2017

are those from the left or those from Islamic terrorists. And as a result, they would
tell you that any right wing nut crimes or threats are fake news.

The dumbing down of America has been successful and is getting worse.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
29. +1000, Stargazer99.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:11 PM
Jul 2017

I truly believed that, after the 9th time of replacing my Hillary yard sign, it would be over.

Boy, was I wrong.

PJMcK

(21,916 posts)
3. The incompetence is staggering
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:21 PM
Jul 2017

Trump's administration is a mess. He hasn't hired enough people. Those he's hired are uninformed and ignorant. We don't have ambassadors around the globe. His lawyers don't know how to spell or when to shut their mouths. There isn't any policy position on any issue. His son and son-in-law have been given positions for which they have zero experience or knowledge. His staff is at each others' throats. The public messaging is constantly in conflict. It's a mess.

Trump is a fraud and a completely incompetent fool. He's also an idiot.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
8. It's not incompetence.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jul 2017

We have gone way past the point of assigning horrible actions to mere stupidity. There is actual malice behind this.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
11. Agreed. This is a barely cloaked invite for Der tRumples* online stormtroopers...
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:31 PM
Jul 2017

... to terrorize their critics. Fascism for the digital age.

luvallpeeps

(934 posts)
13. hear hear!
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:37 PM
Jul 2017

At what point do we finally get it? I guess when someone is escorted out of a meeting and have a bag thrown over their heads, while Americans say "lock him up"?

poli-junkie

(991 posts)
27. Ding-Ding-Ding!
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jul 2017

It's all by design. We have a shell "government" with a rich, meaty kleptocracy on the inside. Why aren't the demos calling out the white supremacist chief of staff Steve Bannon?

Kablooie

(18,571 posts)
43. Yep. One way for totalitarianism to sneak in. Terrorize those who speak out.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 02:01 AM
Jul 2017

I believe this is really where it's heading and with the entire Republican party supporting him I fear they'may succeed. Support for Trump within the party is still 70-80% and it's not decreasing.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
16. This wasn't an accident.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jul 2017

I know the old saying is, "never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

But this! I'm sure they are well aware of the behavior of Internet trolls ... hell, the pResident is himself a famous Twitter troll! Never mind some of the people who work for him... This was deliberate.

When somebody is physically harmed as a result of this "mistake," they'll shake their heads sadly and spout nonsense about "nobody could have foreseen such violence, which the pResident would never condone..." yadda yadda yadda.

Makes me glad I stopped bothering to write emails to these .... people.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
30. It was deliberate
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jul 2017

Per Mike Pence's spokesman:

"“These are public comments, similar to individuals appearing before commission to make comments and providing name before making comments,” Marc Lotter, press secretary to the vice president, said. “The Commission’s Federal Register notice asking for public comments and its website make clear that information ‘including names and contact information’ sent to this email address may be released.”

No, you moron. You don't release personal information on a website. Ever. A six year old knows that.

They are responsible for any harm that may come to those whose information was made public. The Deplorables are salivating.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
18. Trump has lived his life on bullshit and pretend, with other people's money.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:55 PM
Jul 2017

The same skills he brings to this job.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
35. Incompetent and malicious.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:56 PM
Jul 2017

And every day 45 is allowed to serve (himself), his enablers continue treasonable behavior.

chillfactor

(7,566 posts)
5. words for this despicable release of private...
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jul 2017

information escape me...thank god my state did not release any information to these dumb-fucks!

Response to jpak (Original post)

CousinIT

(9,151 posts)
12. They're not "new" at it. They're EVIL at it. They want those who are opposed to voter suppression
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jul 2017

to be harassed & have their lives threatened.

FakeNoose

(32,340 posts)
14. More LAWSUITS coming
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jul 2017

Stand-by folks.

Cheeto will be swamped up to his little hands in lawsuits before this summer is over.

The lawyers are working full-time, prosecuting and defending him from all this shit-n-shinola.



LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
17. This Was So Very ON PURPOSE....
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:44 PM
Jul 2017

They want to place people's lives at risk if they do not agree with Cheeto Trump's view on things. DEPLORABLE!

rickford66

(5,498 posts)
19. There are some hefty fines for doing this.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jul 2017

I just took a mandatory online course at work about this very kind of action, releasing personal information.

csziggy

(34,120 posts)
25. Overview of the Privacy Act of 1974
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 04:42 PM
Jul 2017

Conditions of Disclosure to Third Parties

A. The "No Disclosure Without Consent" Rule

“No agency shall disclose any record which is contained in a system of records by any means of communication to any person, or to another agency, except pursuant to a written request by, or with the prior written consent of, the individual to whom the record pertains [subject to 12 exceptions].” 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b).


B. Twelve Exceptions to the "No Disclosure Without Consent" Rule

Note that with the exception of disclosures under subsection (b)(2) (see the discussion below), disclosures under the following exceptions are permissive, not mandatory. See OMB Guidelines, 40 Fed. Reg. at 28,953, available at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/inforeg/implementation_guidelines.pdf. {This link is dead.}

1. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(1) ("need to know" within agency)

“to those officers and employees of the agency which maintains the record who have a need for the record in the performance of their duties.”

2. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(2) (required FOIA disclosure)

“required under section 552 of this title.”

3. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(3) (routine uses)

“for a routine use as defined in subsection (a)(7) of this section and described under subsection (e)(4)(D).”

4. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(4) (Bureau of the Census)

“to the Bureau of the Census for purposes of planning or carrying out a census or survey or related activity pursuant to the provisions of Title 13.”

. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(5) (statistical research)

“to a recipient who has provided the agency with advance adequate written assurance that the record will be used solely as a statistical research or reporting record, and the record is to be transferred in a form that is not individually identifiable.”

6. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(6) (National Archives)

“to the National Archives and Records Administration as a record which has sufficient historical or other value to warrant its continued preservation by the United States Government, or for evaluation by the Archivist of the United States or the designee of the Archivist to determine whether the record has such value.”

7. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(7) (law enforcement request)

“to another agency or to an instrumentality of any governmental jurisdiction within or under the control of the United States for a civil or criminal law enforcement activity if the activity is authorized by law, and if the head of the agency or instrumentality has made a written request to the agency which maintains the record specifying the particular portion desired and the law enforcement activity for which the record is sought.”

8. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(8) (health or safety of an individual)

“to a person pursuant to a showing of compelling circumstances affecting the health or safety of an individual if upon such disclosure notification is transmitted to the last known address of such individual.”

9. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(9) (Congress)

“to either House of Congress, or, to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, any committee or subcommittee thereof, any joint committee of Congress or subcommittee of any such joint committee.”

10. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(10) (General Accountability Office)

“to the Comptroller General, or any of his authorized representatives, in the course of the performance of the duties of the G[overnment] Account[ability] Office.”

11. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(11) (court order)

“pursuant to the order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

12. 5 U.S.C. § 552a(b)(12) (Debt Collection Act)

“to a consumer reporting agency in accordance with section 3711(e) of Title 31.”

https://www.justice.gov/opcl/conditions-disclosure-third-parties
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Lots and LOTS of discussion and case laws cited under this heading.

Response to jpak (Original post)

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
33. You might want to delete this.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 06:06 PM
Jul 2017

I read an article the other day about the SS visiting someone who posted it. Sorry, no link, but can't remember where I read it.

DBoon

(22,285 posts)
34. I meant it as what the Trump admin is trying to do with its critics
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 07:00 PM
Jul 2017

suggesting that some people were "troublesome" (the ones complaining about his policies) and without directly calling for violence suggesting its possibility.

Henry II didn't call for the murder of Thomas Beckett, but he suggested it.

The Trump administration isn't calling directly for its critics to be harassed and maybe subject to violence, but they sure are suggesting it here by publishing personal identifying data

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. In the irony of ironies
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 04:16 PM
Jul 2017

Trump and his cheerleaders in the media screamed for months and months that Hillary couldn't keep people's information safe, in light of her emails...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
53. 100% correct. That's how these radical RWs operate- like nazis they mark targets for troll attacks
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jul 2017

for example- trumps deplorable on twitter marked Jewish peoples names with brackets & had their Nazi frog icon follow trumps tweets by bot-_instantly_ posting a bigot tweet right with any trump tweets.

another example- of Republican hate tactic was Palins gun-targets on D elected officials, that was flashed hundreds of times on news shows and fox constantly. We all know what happened because of that Palin crap ALLOWED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

another example- is the Republican funded subtitled muslim mocking movie they shoved on the middle east as a youtube video. That caused outrage & protest & led to destabilizing a country & death of an American diplomat.

People can end of dead because of Republican backed political tactics.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
23. Can it be any more obvious? The TRUMP administration did this on purpose in order to endanger lives
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jul 2017

The TRUMP people are counting on their fringe supporters to hurt these people. Silence all dissent.

renate

(13,776 posts)
31. so, the American government has deliberately taken it upon itself to endanger American citizens
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jul 2017

I can't believe how far we've fallen in just six months.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
36. I've spent the past six weeks on the phone to DC
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 08:06 PM
Jul 2017

and to my senators' local offices.

This shit has to stop.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
37. It's a double edged threat, aimed at those who have already emailed and those who might in future.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jul 2017

Publishing that info unleashes his storm troopers on people, both online and in person.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. OUTRAGEOUS! And should be used in the lawsuits trying to prevent this nat'l database.
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jul 2017

Exhibit A on WHY the White House CANNOT have a national database of sensitive information on voters or citizens.

Intentional or incompetent? Take your pick. Either way, they cannot be trusted with information like this.

An attempt to send a message to Trumpers to start attacking the critics? An attempt to start a civil war? I wouldn't put anything out of the question with this group of thugs.

Kablooie

(18,571 posts)
42. I just checked. Tons of angry people's emails, addresses and numbers.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 01:42 AM
Jul 2017

Even fax numbers.

They are all wide open for attacks from Trumps stoogies now.
I hope some well publicized lawsuits come out of this.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
44. so they only posted the correspondence from critics?
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 02:11 AM
Jul 2017

WTF

you know some deplorables had to be slobbering all over the idea they would completely TRASH if it had come from Obama or Hillary

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
45. Everytime I read about one more of these abominations
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 05:43 AM
Jul 2017

It hits me that a year ago this kind of thing would have been completely unimaginable! Or at any other time in our history!

Rhiannon12866

(202,970 posts)
47. Rachel Maddow reported on this last night, it's yet another serious national blunder!
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 07:03 AM
Jul 2017

How clueless are these fools?? Or are they just that vindictive and malicious??

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
49. Federal agencies have been doing that for about the last three years with their "public comment peri
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 10:22 AM
Jul 2017

"public comment periods" DOI offices like Parks and wildlife, BLM, Public lands, The Feds publish names addresses to silence many people . They don't 'like' people who want clean water, healthy lands, REAL science and a real naturally renewable environment that is HEALTHY for humans AND our Wildlife.

I've seen them take down and arrest people for taking pictures of "them" abusing wildlife. Break cameras of reporter who wanted to view our Feds 'at work'.

The land & water CAN heal itself! if we didn't ruin it by allowing Corporations to trash it up and trample it to a desert.

We wouldn't have these wildfires or these major droughts if the lands weren't ruined to bare trampled over-fenced deserts.

IronLionZion

(45,256 posts)
50. Accidentally on purpose
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jul 2017

to deter us from sending them emails. This is a deliberate punishment for dissent.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
54. Kobach is being an asshole
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jul 2017

Who is surprised by this? Kobach and trump are assholes and what to discourage people from commenting on their voter suppression efforts

Hangingon

(3,071 posts)
56. Scanned 4 days worth of responses - boring
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jul 2017

Almost all form letters or cut and paste. A few add on personally drafted material. A couple were embarrassing. Not worth the outrage.

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