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Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:20 PM

McCains Surgery May Be More Serious Than Thought, Experts Say

Source: New York Times

The condition for which Senator John McCain had surgery on Friday may be more serious than initial descriptions have implied, and it may delay his return to Washington by at least a week or two, medical experts said on Sunday.

The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, has already announced that votes on a bill to dismantle the Affordable Care Act will not begin until Mr. McCain’s return. A statement released by Mr. McCain’s office on Saturday had suggested that he would be in Arizona recovering for just this week, but neurosurgeons interviewed said the typical recovery period could be longer.

The statement from Mr. McCain’s office said a two-inch blood clot was removed from “above his left eye” during a “minimally invasive craniotomy with an eyebrow incision” at the Mayo Clinic Hospital in Phoenix, “following a routine annual physical.” Surgeons there are not conducting interviews, and Mr. McCain’s communications director, Julie Tarallo, said no further information was available.

A craniotomy is an opening of the skull, and an eyebrow incision would be used to reach a clot in or near the left frontal lobes of the brain, neurosurgeons who were not involved in Mr. McCain’s care said.



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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2017 OP
pnwmom Jul 2017 #1
truthisfreedom Jul 2017 #2
mwooldri Jul 2017 #4
lostnfound Jul 2017 #47
Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #45
PCIntern Jul 2017 #3
thesquanderer Jul 2017 #5
kstewart33 Jul 2017 #6
Jacoby365 Jul 2017 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #40
PCIntern Jul 2017 #46
samnsara Jul 2017 #8
MurrayDelph Jul 2017 #12
dbackjon Jul 2017 #21
grantcart Jul 2017 #32
dbackjon Jul 2017 #44
mainer Jul 2017 #9
MrPurple Jul 2017 #17
mitch96 Jul 2017 #19
tammywammy Jul 2017 #27
mitch96 Jul 2017 #58
Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #35
mitch96 Jul 2017 #56
global1 Jul 2017 #10
forgotmylogin Jul 2017 #16
democrank Jul 2017 #11
Towlie Jul 2017 #13
pangaia Jul 2017 #15
mountain grammy Jul 2017 #18
FakeNoose Jul 2017 #26
BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #38
BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #39
Scarsdale Jul 2017 #48
populistdriven Jul 2017 #14
DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #20
greymattermom Jul 2017 #25
DeminPennswoods Jul 2017 #49
global1 Jul 2017 #22
NJCher Jul 2017 #28
tammywammy Jul 2017 #31
Bengus81 Jul 2017 #61
Skittles Jul 2017 #23
DonCoquixote Jul 2017 #24
not fooled Jul 2017 #29
no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #30
OldRedneck Jul 2017 #37
JI7 Jul 2017 #42
VermontKevin Jul 2017 #33
Iggo Jul 2017 #34
OldRedneck Jul 2017 #36
CountAllVotes Jul 2017 #53
Sunlei Jul 2017 #60
mitch96 Jul 2017 #63
Hieronymus Jul 2017 #41
BainsBane Jul 2017 #43
Alice11111 Jul 2017 #57
Vinca Jul 2017 #50
RKP5637 Jul 2017 #51
Hieronymus Jul 2017 #52
greymattermom Jul 2017 #55
Jimbo S Jul 2017 #54
Sunlei Jul 2017 #59
Bengus81 Jul 2017 #62

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:21 PM

1. Not a surprise. I thought they were downplaying this -- a 5 cm clot is significant. n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:27 PM

2. Speedy recovery, John.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:28 PM

4. I'll wish Senator McCain a good recovery, a nice recovery...

No need to rush back to the Senate. Take all the time you need to recuperate. But definitely get well.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 05:25 AM

47. Maybe he could come back quickly, as a Democrat. Less cognitive dissonance required.

It would be good to finish his years in the Senate returning to his roots as a brave patriot.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:57 AM

45. Seconded

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:28 PM

3. What was the source of the bleed?

clots do not form magically.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:31 PM

5. Trump is making Republicans' heads explode. (n/t)

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:32 PM

6. From my experience, sometimes they do. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:37 PM

7. Cancer can cause blood clots.

In fact, the initial press report I read indicated they are doing a biopsy.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:19 PM

40. Any blood vessel can leak or burst at any time anywhere in the body. . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 04:09 AM

46. Yes. I understand that

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:38 PM

8. Godspeed to a ful recovery sir!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:52 PM

12. followed by a

well-earned retirement.

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:45 PM

21. No

As bad as McCain is his replacement would be far worse

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:00 PM

32. AS requires an election

Mark Kelley would win if he would run.

Trump only won by 3% in AZ

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Response to grantcart (Reply #32)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:48 AM

44. In 2018 - Gov appoints until then

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:45 PM

9. Does this explain his confusion during the Comey hearing?

A slowly expanding subdural hematoma that muddled his thinking?

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Response to mainer (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:06 PM

17. I wondered about that, he was seriously confused & don't think he'd appeared that way before

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Response to mainer (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:30 PM

19. Some subdurals are just a wait and see, then again

The confusion might have gotten the surgeons worried.. It's possible he just popped a small blood vessel in the frontal lobe (the personality,cognition) and again it would be a wait and see. No history of trauma. The thing that concerns me is that "two inches above the eye" is about at the frontal hair line.
That's way up there. If things were really weird he would be in surgery with a burr hole in his head, blood removed and a drain in place. None of that occurred. I like the minimally invasive eyebrow trick. Prolly just a tiny hole (craniotomy) and snake a tube up there to suck out the blood..
Just my opinion as a previous medical worker, YMMV...
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:23 PM

27. The clot itself was 2 inches big and just above the eye.

Not two inches above the eye.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:06 PM

58. "Not two inches above the eye."

I stand corrected, I was quoting old news.... The eyebrow craniotomy would be a straight shot in to suck out the clot. Right at the floor of the frontal fossa above the eye...
Hope he makes it ok....
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:28 PM

35. They wouldn't do a surgery for an old subdural...

If I had to guess, I bet this is a new intracranial hemorrhage and dollars to donuts it's related to a metastatic lesion from melanoma. Just my 2c trying to read the tea leaves as a medical person

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:03 PM

56. "They wouldn't do a surgery for an old subdural"

True. I've seen plenty of CT scans of grannies that had old subdurals that no one knew about. New ones also. Sometimes it would cause more problems to go in than to just wait and see... I'd love to see McCain's CT scan...
m

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:48 PM

10. Remember A Couple Of Weeks Ago When He Was Asking A Question.....

at a hearing and he wasn't making any sense. We were in a car listening to the hearing and when we heard him being incoherent I said it sounded like he has some serious medical problem with his brain.

Has anybody else commented on that?

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Response to global1 (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:04 PM

16. That's very possible.

The blood flow to his brain may have actually been reduced.

McCain's physical body is trying to thwart ACA repeal...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:49 PM

11. Wishing him well

A full and speedy recovery

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:54 PM

13. Get well Senator and try to see the irony of your need for healthcare delaying your vote to kill it.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:59 PM

15. Well done.

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Response to Towlie (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:09 PM

18. True that!

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Response to Towlie (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:19 PM

26. He gets healthcare whether we do or not

The Senators and House Reps get their shit taken care of, no matter what they do to us.
They get Obamacare, even when it's taken away from their constituents.



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:56 PM

38. Exactly...fuck him and the rest! The "Golden Rule" applies here!

Do they give a shit about my death sentence, my family, or my bankruptcy????

Answer is NO, NO, and NO!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:57 PM

39. Exactly...fuck him and the rest! The "Golden Rule" applies hereL

Do they give a shit about my death sentence, my family, or my bankruptcy????

Answer is NO, NO, and NO!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:27 AM

48. Very true

Which of his 5 homes will he be recovering at? I knew something HAD to be wrong when he was not appearing on any of the Sunday talk shows.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:56 PM

14. Wish him well, hope he feels much better when he returns to work nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:39 PM

20. Docs might have been watching this anuerysm for awhile

My dad had an aortic anuerysm and his doc just monitored it until it got to 5cm, then they did surgery. AFAIK, that was standard treatment. McCain has had melanoma. I'm sure he's been checked every 6 mos and maybe it was noticed during one of those check ups and monitored until it grew big enough to require surgery.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:57 PM

25. Unlikely because of the location

I'm guessing something worse than an aneurism, most likely melanoma mets. Just wait for the pathology report to be sure. But send him to Emory to get the treatment that Jimmy Carter got.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:28 AM

49. How was this found in the first place?

nt

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:45 PM

22. Not To Make Light Of This Because This Is A Serious Problem....

but 1. What kind of health insurance does he have? ACA maybe?

And

2. Did Ben Carson do the surgery?

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Response to global1 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:29 PM

28. I think it is

I'm pretty sure I heard Al Franken say that's what they have.


Cher

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Response to global1 (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:57 PM

31. Congress and staffers buy insurance off the exchange. n/t

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Response to global1 (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 03:11 PM

61. ACA for now. Provision in Don'Tcare if passed that lets them out of it...........

Trump care is so shitty they don't want to force Congress members to have to buy it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:52 PM

23. I wish him well

indeed I do

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:56 PM

24. I wish no malice on anyione when it comes to surgery

however, part of me wishes that the good senators would realize that medicine is a matter of life and death, and that we have a lot more to lose than they do, as many have no access to doctors, period.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:35 PM

29. The koch brothers don't think

the Federal government should have any role in providing healthcare. OK, fine--just apply the same standard to congress. Of course, McCain's wife is wealthy, so he would have been covered in any event.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:42 PM

30. I remember a couple of months ago on this Board an incident where McCain was

talking jibberish in the Senate.

Maybe it was the blood clot affecting his ability to speak.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:40 PM

37. You are right . . .

 

I forgot about that. Very likely a precursor.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:42 PM

42. are you thinking of the Comey Hearings ? where he kept referring to "president comey" ?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:16 PM

33. Karma is a bitch, when you've been one with other people's healthcare.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:21 PM

34. "...than thought..." or "...than we were told..."?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:39 PM

36. This is not good

 

I'm not a physician and I don't play one on teevee. However, I am an Advanced Life Support EMT and I've seen my share of hemorrhagic strokes . . . not pretty.

There are two types of stroke.

1. The most common, an ischemic stroke, occurs when one or more arteries in the brain or carrying blood to the brain become(s) blocked, completely or partially. Ischemic strokes are the most common, accounting for about 93% of strokes. Depending on the degree of blockage, location of the blockage, and time that passes between the blockage and medical treatment, the effects of ischemic strokes can be treated and overcome.

2. Hemorrhagic strokes -- a brain bleed -- are another story. The brain is covered by a membrane, the dura. A blood vessel either above or below the dura can burst, flooding the area with blood. Because the skull is solid, as blood builds up between the skull and the brain, pressure is exerted on the brain. The effects of a brain bleed can be felt almost instantly, or, can take days to show up. Hemorrhagic strokes often are fatal. The only way to fix it is to go through the skull and relieve the pressure on the brain . . . not something we can do in the back of an ambulance.

Sounds to me as though McCain had either (1) a serious ischemic stroke with a clot that blocked blood flow to some part of the brain; or, (2) a hemorrhagic stroke in which blood flowed into the cranial area between the skull and the brain, then, clotted, still exerting pressure on the brain.

I don't know about his meds -- at his age, he may have been on a blood thinner (Plavix, Coumadin). If not, he will be now. There may be more clots. No doubt they did several CT scans to check for other clots and they may have injected clot-busting drugs (TPAs). On the other hand, if this was an "old clot" -- an embolic clot that formed in the heart then traveled to the brain, TPAs don't do much good.

Either way, he is not healthy. He'd better be happy he has the Gold-Plated Congressional Health Insurance Plan.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 08:34 AM

53. Thanks for the detailed info.

And yes, you are correct. This is not good!



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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:26 PM

60. News isn't reporting anything. Do you think he's even conscious or aware of his condition?

Can people recover from such a large clot?

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 08:48 PM

63. "(2) a hemorrhagic stroke in which blood flowed into the cranial area"

I agree with this one... just a little leaker that stopped..
m

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:27 PM

41. Yes, they said above the eye ..

then said it was on the brain.

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Response to Hieronymus (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:57 PM

43. which could explain his rambling

at the Senate Intelligence hearing with Comey.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:03 PM

57. True. I figure they will haul him in on a stretcher, if

Possible, to commit a final act.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:32 AM

50. I'm still betting he had a stroke. Testing for clots isn't a routine procedure.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:41 AM

51. Please have a good recovery Senator McCain! n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:49 AM

52. Sanjay Gupta, a brain surgeon,

just said it was a craniotomy.
They removed the bone at his eyebrow to remove a mass.

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Response to Hieronymus (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 10:02 AM

55. A mass may be melanoma mets

a hemorrhagic stroke is something else. Or it could be both.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 08:48 AM

54. My moderately conservative father

voted for Obama back in 2008, one small part was a chance McCain wouldn't live out one full term. Many Americans back then felt that way and was a small campaign issue.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:22 PM

59. at first the clot was reported as tiny, two inches & craniotomy is bad news. Get Well McCain.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 03:14 PM

62. There will be no voting on shit canning the ACA until...........

Senator McCain recovers from surgery PAID for by having a policy through the ACA.

Does that IDIOT Turtle not understand the HYPOCRISY each time he says this or implies this??

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