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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:12 AM Jul 2017

Sources: Tillerson thinking about early exit

Last edited Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:40 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN

Among those who viewed the President's public rebuke of Jeff Sessions as unprofessional, according to several sources, is Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, the former Exxon-Mobil CEO.

More here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/23/politics/ip-forecast-white-house-shakeup-sec-of-state/index.html

Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/24/rex-tillerson-trump-ip-king.cnn



The video at the link explains that Trump's bizarre NYT interview and the public humiliation of Sessions has undermined confidence across the boards in the White House and the cabinet and sources are telling CNN that Tillerson has told several of his friends that he is planning to leave during the holidays so that he can claim that "he gave it a year" but that the President's NYT interview added to a long list of things that Tillerson had problems with the white House with.

Seems like it is another example of how people close to the President have to leak to mainline news organizations to get the President's attention.

Wonder if this is going to be one of the leaks that the Communications Director is going to chase down and fire? lol
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Sources: Tillerson thinking about early exit (Original Post) grantcart Jul 2017 OP
that would be an earthquake virtualobserver Jul 2017 #1
Heading? exboyfil Jul 2017 #14
Point taken....but if too many of the so-called adults leave..... virtualobserver Jul 2017 #20
I don't consider crooks adults. nt Javaman Jul 2017 #41
Tillerson knows it's only a matter of time True Dough Jul 2017 #2
"a matter of time until he himself becomes a scapegoat" Or Implicated. mpcamb Jul 2017 #55
I wonder is it more to do with the fact it's looking less likely OnDoutside Jul 2017 #3
That crossed my mind too. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #4
He's cashed out at Exxon, I think he is more concerned about his own reputation grantcart Jul 2017 #8
Always an Exxon man though. I do recall an article from about last February OnDoutside Jul 2017 #11
Pressured? 'I didn't want this job ... My wife told me I'm supposed to do this' HAB911 Jul 2017 #29
That's the one, thanks OnDoutside Jul 2017 #30
He was able to take a lot of capital gains tax-free. That was the plan all along. rzemanfl Jul 2017 #33
Which is what Scaramucci plans as well. OnDoutside Jul 2017 #38
Yes, once his China deal is approved. All crooks. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2017 #39
I don't think these folks actually really cash out exboyfil Jul 2017 #16
Its the social pressure I am thinking he cares about grantcart Jul 2017 #17
yup, had the same thought JI7 Jul 2017 #10
My immediate thought. yardwork Jul 2017 #25
you can't always get what you want Skittles Jul 2017 #5
Like rats on a sinking ship. Guilded Lilly Jul 2017 #6
Leave already. Just GO! riversedge Jul 2017 #7
i think the Russia Sanctions might have something to do with it also JI7 Jul 2017 #9
Article says Tilly is looking for an exit strategy............... riversedge Jul 2017 #12
Thanks for finding this grantcart Jul 2017 #13
He is practically subordinate to Bannon and Kushner dalton99a Jul 2017 #53
IIRC Tillerson's wife said he never wanted the job. DetlefK Jul 2017 #15
She's the one that pressured him into taking it in teh first place obamanut2012 Jul 2017 #27
I never believe when craven men use their family or god as a reason for anything. Using both is bettyellen Jul 2017 #51
Spot on, betty. Rexxon is about Rexxon. suffragette Jul 2017 #54
Jared will do it TEB Jul 2017 #18
There are other options rpannier Jul 2017 #19
True TEB Jul 2017 #21
He'll do like the rest of team gump rpannier Jul 2017 #22
Surely Meredith McIver's still available. tanyev Jul 2017 #32
I agree TEB Jul 2017 #40
Drumpf could care less BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #23
eccentric is the polite term for a 'boss' like him. I worked for one, one of my first jobs ever. Sunlei Jul 2017 #44
Next SOS: Barron Trump (since it has to be a family member) milestogo Jul 2017 #24
To much work for an Exxon CEO? Sancho Jul 2017 #26
If "unprofessional behavior" by Trump were a reason to quit his cabinet DFW Jul 2017 #28
Yep! MyOwnPeace Jul 2017 #34
It reminds me very much of a dysfunctional relationship where... WePurrsevere Jul 2017 #35
Sometimes when you get what you want... WePurrsevere Jul 2017 #31
Good. (nt) Paladin Jul 2017 #36
Sadly found him the most competent of the incompetent administration dembotoz Jul 2017 #37
Rexxon says what??? Unprofessional??? This mis-Administration??? Raster Jul 2017 #42
SOS isn't the job for him, travel isn't 'fun' anymore. He NEVER will fill Kerry or Clintons shoes. Sunlei Jul 2017 #43
Wise Decision, Rex Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #45
I've destroyed the State Department as planned. My work here is done. CanonRay Jul 2017 #46
To be fair, I think he did the job exactly as Trump wanted it done. StevieM Jul 2017 #48
Obvious to everyone except corrupt hacks that tRump is unprofessional in every way. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #47
The State Department is already understaffed..... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2017 #49
Trump calls his AG 'beleaguered' California_Republic Jul 2017 #50
I've been expecting Tillerson to quit napi21 Jul 2017 #52
yep grantcart Jul 2017 #57
Just fucking go already maxrandb Jul 2017 #56

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
14. Heading?
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:38 AM
Jul 2017

Trump has publicly abdicated military policy to his SecDef, a recent General. He has "run" a competing State department where he, his SecState and his Ambassador to the UN aren't even on the same script. He had to get an active duty officer as his NSA because no one else would do the job.

This is just foreign policy. Still the masses eat up his commissioning speech at the USS Gerald Ford and cry out that it is great to finally have a CinC who loves the country.

True Dough

(17,303 posts)
2. Tillerson knows it's only a matter of time
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:16 AM
Jul 2017

until he himself becomes a scapegoat. No one is safe with a "friend" like Donny Trump.

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
55. "a matter of time until he himself becomes a scapegoat" Or Implicated.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:33 PM
Jul 2017

He had significant business dealings with the Russians before he signed on.

He'll be called to tell "what he knew and when he knew it" down the line.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
3. I wonder is it more to do with the fact it's looking less likely
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:22 AM
Jul 2017

That Exxon will get the Russian sanctions reduced. No point staying if that's the case.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. He's cashed out at Exxon, I think he is more concerned about his own reputation
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:21 AM
Jul 2017

He knows that Trump is about to go criminal prosecution and he wants to put it out that he was an early bird getting off the sinking boat.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
11. Always an Exxon man though. I do recall an article from about last February
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:28 AM
Jul 2017

Which said he didn't really want the job but was pressured into it. If that's the case then what benefit was it to him. He didn't even know Trump before that.

HAB911

(8,890 posts)
29. Pressured? 'I didn't want this job ... My wife told me I'm supposed to do this'
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:45 AM
Jul 2017

"When he asked me at the end of that conversation to be secretary of state, I was stunned," Tillerson said in the interview. Tillerson added that he then returned home to his wife who shook her finger in his face and said:

"I told you God's not through with you."

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/tillerson-job-my-wife-told-me-im-supposed-to-do-this.html

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
33. He was able to take a lot of capital gains tax-free. That was the plan all along.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:06 AM
Jul 2017

DeVos will leave too. Grifters all.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
16. I don't think these folks actually really cash out
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:42 AM
Jul 2017

See Cheney and Halliburton. Even if their portfolio does not reflect the stock, there friends and probably family have financial interest. Also company men are also concerned about their legacy with regards to the company. Also social pressure with their former company.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
17. Its the social pressure I am thinking he cares about
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:45 AM
Jul 2017

This administration is on the edge of going full defense on criminal charges. The NYT interview was ugly.

Maybe the leak is just a place marker so that if Trump is out he will have some credibility and be able to stay under Pence because he signalled that he wasn't going to stand for Trump's insanity.

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
5. you can't always get what you want
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:04 AM
Jul 2017

the only reason he would work for a buffoon like Trump is some kind of big payoff

if that ain't in the horizon, ADIOS AMIGO

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
6. Like rats on a sinking ship.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:15 AM
Jul 2017

The Cretin is pathologically narcissist. His world is a distinctly singular one. Him and only him.
Loyalty is only a one way street. You must be utterly loyal to him but his personal and professional loyalties? They can turn on a very worn-out dime, if they even exist at all.

Tillerson is a corporation man with no national loyalties, true, and cares nothing for the country. But, if this is true, the Cretin's ship has a Titanic sized gash.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
9. i think the Russia Sanctions might have something to do with it also
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:25 AM
Jul 2017

if he feels like congress is going to pass the bill with the ability to override a veto he might feel what is the point.

riversedge

(70,198 posts)
12. Article says Tilly is looking for an exit strategy...............
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 04:32 AM
Jul 2017




http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/23/politics/ip-forecast-white-house-shakeup-sec-of-state/index.html


...................There was a decided chill across the executive branch as last week came to a close after a tumultuous series of events that rattled worker bees and caught the attention of Cabinet secretaries.



..............For weeks, conversations with Tillerson friends outside of Washington have left the impression that he, despite his frustrations, was determined to stay on the job at least through the end of the year. That would allow time to continue efforts to reorganize the State Department and would mean he could claim to have put in a year as America's top diplomat.
But two sources who spoke to CNN on condition of anonymity over the weekend said they would not be surprised if there was a "Rexit" from Foggy Bottom sooner that that.


Both of these sources are familiar with Tillerson conversations with friends outside Washington. Both said there was a noticeable increase in the secretary's frustration and his doubts that the tug-of-war with the White House would subside anytime soon. They also acknowledged it could have been venting after a tough week, a suggestion several DC-based sources made when asked if they saw evidence Tillerson was looking for an exit strategy.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
53. He is practically subordinate to Bannon and Kushner
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jul 2017

and he's smart enough to know the ship is sinking

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
27. She's the one that pressured him into taking it in teh first place
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:26 AM
Jul 2017

She told him God wanted him to. He just wanted to retire with his zillions in Exxon dollars.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
51. I never believe when craven men use their family or god as a reason for anything. Using both is
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jul 2017

Overkill. Because he couldn't admit Exxon was the reason - he didn't leave that cushy job to make less money. Exxon will pay him for this effort.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
54. Spot on, betty. Rexxon is about Rexxon.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jul 2017

Looks like Congress is now trying to backdoor opening up ANWR to drilling through the budget.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
19. There are other options
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 05:07 AM
Jul 2017

Trump could choose his cleaning woman, his tailor, the guy who washes his windows... They're all as qualified as the party planner he chose to run the billions of dollars spent on NY housing

TEB

(12,841 posts)
21. True
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 05:25 AM
Jul 2017

But can the tailor pass the fs86 security background and not forget to add any contacts he may have had, this is a valid concern.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
22. He'll do like the rest of team gump
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 05:34 AM
Jul 2017

He'll leave out anything questionable and then fill in a revised form later

BumRushDaShow

(128,896 posts)
23. Drumpf could care less
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 06:11 AM
Jul 2017

He considers these people as "workers" and disposable/replaceable and he moves on. There are stories going back to the '90s and his casino days where he couldn't keep high level staff because they were frustrated by his abhorrent and explosive behavior.

An Empire at Risk - Trump's Atlantic City; Debt Forcing Trump to Play for Higher Stakes

By DIANA B. HENRIQUES with M. A. FARBER
Published: June 7, 1990

<...>

Mr. Trump is relying on his three casinos, including the recently opened Taj Mahal, billed as the world's largest, for the cash to keep his sprawling empire going. But restoring the strength of his once-lucrative gaming houses in a difficult market will require management skills that Mr. Trump has yet to demonstrate.

A Risk-Filled Business

In the seven months since a freak helicopter accident robbed him of his top casino executives, Mr. Trump has for the first time become directly involved in running these complex operations with thousands of employees, where management risk is as ever-present as chance at the gaming tables.

Since then, his casinos have been undermined by an exodus of senior managers, some of whom were dismissed and others who left complaining of Mr. Trump's overbearing and idiosyncratic style. Surviving staff members complain of low morale. Bills are not being paid on time, vendors say. And state regulators, growing more concerned, have stepped up a broad inquiry into all his holdings.

<...>

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/07/business/empire-risk-trump-s-atlantic-city-debt-forcing-trump-play-for-higher-stakes.html


His whole existence has literally been a "Wash. Rinse. Repeat."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
44. eccentric is the polite term for a 'boss' like him. I worked for one, one of my first jobs ever.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:52 AM
Jul 2017

OMG they're weirdos, but it sure is fun when the 'boss' is out of town! The pools, the boats, the rooms & nice beds

DFW

(54,365 posts)
28. If "unprofessional behavior" by Trump were a reason to quit his cabinet
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:37 AM
Jul 2017

At the next cabinet meeting, Trump would have the room to himself.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
35. It reminds me very much of a dysfunctional relationship where...
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:14 AM
Jul 2017

One partner keeps hoping that if they stay they'll somehow reach through, help and change their partner who has 'issues'.

As it clicks in that 'he is what he is' and that they're not only not going to get what they hoped to get from signing on but could actually be harmed in some way by their being there, I strongly suspect that we'll see an increasing amount leaving and it becoming harder for Trump to find anyone who will work with him.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
31. Sometimes when you get what you want...
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:59 AM
Jul 2017

You discover it's not what, nor as great, as you thought it was.

Knowing how Trump truly is (and in fact always has been) I'm amazed any well off (as in they don't 'need' the $$) professional with even half a brain would want to work with him. Add to his 'normal' NPD, micromanaging, scapegoating, crash & burn management style his increasing Alz/dementia symptoms and there's just too much risk of your reputation, not to mention freedom, becoming collateral damage as Trump (and company) implodes and he projects, deflects at, blames and lies about everyone rather than taking any responsibility himself.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
43. SOS isn't the job for him, travel isn't 'fun' anymore. He NEVER will fill Kerry or Clintons shoes.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:48 AM
Jul 2017
Go on Tillerson, one more sword dance with the cray cray for republicans for profit military junk sales! He'll let you touch his ORBs & have a pretty assistant note-girl!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
48. To be fair, I think he did the job exactly as Trump wanted it done.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jul 2017

We aren't going to rebuild the State Department unless Donald Trump leaves the White House.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,784 posts)
49. The State Department is already understaffed.....
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:50 AM
Jul 2017


and lacking Ambassadors in much of Europe that does not serve the United States well or Americans travelling abroad.

This Administration cannot make up things as it goes along. This sets a dangerous precedence and not in the interests of this country.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
52. I've been expecting Tillerson to quit
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jul 2017

for some time. He's been forbidden to staff the state dept. since he took the job, and the con never gives him credit for anything. Maybe he'll even get blamed for the.mess in North Korea. SOS is too smart to take orders from a jerk like the Con.

maxrandb

(15,324 posts)
56. Just fucking go already
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:55 PM
Jul 2017

appointing this guy as Secretary of State was like the Cleveland Browns drafting Johnny Football

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