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Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:00 PM

 

Bernie Sanders will foil Senate Republicans' single-payer trolling

Source: Vox

The Washington Examiner reported Wednesday night that Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) is planning to propose an amendment during debate this week to create a single-payer health care system.

Daines doesn’t himself support single-payer. But his amendment is an attempt to splinter the Democratic caucus and expose the minority party’s divisions on how to reform the health care system. Republicans are struggling mightily to find 50 votes to pass their bill, and the Examiner suggests that Daines is interested in calling attention to Democrats’ internal discord. In essence, the hope would be to force the many Democrats who are in-cycle in 2018 to choose between going on the record as favoring a pretty hefty tax increase by voting for a Daines-written single-payer bill and attracting the ire of Sanders supporters by voting against it.

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The tactic of turning Sanders fans’ often dyspeptic attitude about the Democratic Party establishment to their advantage has worked for Republicans in the past, but Sanders has no intention of letting them run that playbook this week. Rather than seize the opportunity from Daines to talk about Medicare-for-All — which would in turn highlight Democrats’ internal divisions — Sanders will reject Daines’ amendment, a spokesperson for the Senator told Vox.

"The Democratic caucus will not participate in the Republicans' sham process. No amendment will get a vote until we see the final legislation and know what bill we are amending,” Josh Miller-Lewis, a spokesperson for Sanders, said in a text.


Read more: https://www.vox.com/2017/7/26/16048136/bernie-sanders-daines-single-payer



Bernie is showing real leadership in the health care debate. Not posturing, real action and leadership.

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Reply Bernie Sanders will foil Senate Republicans' single-payer trolling (Original post)
geek tragedy Jul 2017 OP
still_one Jul 2017 #1
groundloop Jul 2017 #7
still_one Jul 2017 #9
Johnyawl Jul 2017 #11
IronLionZion Jul 2017 #2
GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #5
IronLionZion Jul 2017 #12
bluecollar2 Jul 2017 #14
LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #15
Turn CO Blue Jul 2017 #26
kacekwl Jul 2017 #18
IronLionZion Jul 2017 #21
fountainofyouth Jul 2017 #3
BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #4
GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #6
lapucelle Jul 2017 #8
R B Garr Jul 2017 #19
murielm99 Jul 2017 #20
geek tragedy Jul 2017 #23
lapucelle Jul 2017 #24
R B Garr Jul 2017 #25
TomCADem Jul 2017 #10
Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #13
lapucelle Jul 2017 #22
zentrum Jul 2017 #16
George II Jul 2017 #28
Bradical79 Jul 2017 #17
George II Jul 2017 #27
Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #29
George II Jul 2017 #30
Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #31

Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:12 PM

1. Another solution would be the following. Sanders should meet with the Democratic leadership

and as part of our strategy all the Democrats should commit that they will all support the single payer amendment. This would serve two purposes:

1. All the Democrats and independents would be unified, NOT divided on this
2. The republicans would be faced with publicly rejecting single payer

Of course the other strategy would work too, don't do anything until they know what they are voting on

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:30 PM

7. This amendment will likely be a horrible 'single payer' system

It's my guess that repukes would make sure this amendment has a very high price tag attached to it in order to drive away Democrats in less progressive areas of the country. I like Sanders strategy of rejecting it outright.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:32 PM

9. On second read I think that is what the OP was saying. Thanks

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:39 PM

11. That would be the 2nd best outcome as far as the republicans are concerned.


1st best choice: A divided Democratic Party
2nd best choice: Red state Democrats publically supporting single payer.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:16 PM

2. Single Payer is not a tax increase

liberals and liberal publications should stop repeating that lie.

The tax would replace a lot of existing taxes for publicly funded healthcare and premiums for private insurance. Not an increase over what we currently have, it's replacing much of what we already have.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:27 PM

5. Listen, I support universal healthcare

But there is no form of universal healthcare that will not require tax increases. Sure middle-class people will save on healthcare costs, but if we promise healthcare for everyone and no increases in taxes we are doomed.

And the fact is upper middle-class people and the upper class will have to pay more to cover all Americans since so many Americans make less than $30,000 a year. My taxes would increase significantly other granted my health care cost would go down.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:48 PM

12. It replaces insurance and programs we already pay for

replace not increase. We can do it.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:02 PM

14. you'd pay less in taxes than in premiums...n/t

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:08 PM

15. There no doubt would be an initial bump in order to set it up

 

But after that, as the rest of the world knows, it is cheaper. You pay less in extra taxes than you would for your previous health insurance.With the added bonus that everyone is covered from cradle to grave, and "pre-existing conditions" are gone forever.

This is the way Democrats should be presenting it. Be honest that there will be a cost to establish it, but explain how when everyone is in the pool, it is cheaper for everyone.

But I know, its the whole mandate thing that Republicans use for propaganda. ie..forcing everyone to pay for it. And the initial start up cost will be used and lied about as being an ongoing cost. Democrats have to have a planned and orchestrated messaging campaign. Healthcare should be a right, like fresh air and water. And that America is a place where we help our neighbour, and he helps you. Pound it out that it will be cheaper and cover everyone. Frame it in the right way and you'd see more acceptance.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:26 PM

26. I pay over $18000 a year in premiums for two people. I'd rather have a high tax, trust me.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:58 PM

18. You have missed the point entirely

I'm afraid.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 07:13 AM

21. "on the record as favoring a pretty hefty tax increase"

My point is about the way VOX wrote about it.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:22 PM

3. How utterly pathetic

That the majority party is failing so miserably that they have to try to embarrass the Democrats as a distraction.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:27 PM

4. That's their only tactic that has been proven to work in the past so they're sticking with it.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:28 PM

6. Thank God

Bernie is here to save us

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:31 PM

8. Schumer made the announcement from the senate floor.

"Democrats are not going to participate in this one-sided and broken process,” announced Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) Wednesday evening. “

Glad to see that Sanders is on board with the rest of the Democratic caucus.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/344044-democrats-threaten-to-play-hardball-on-obamacare-repeal

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/democrats-schumer-health-care-241010

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/schumer-democrats-unity-obamacare-240020

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 12:20 AM

19. +1, thank you, great post. nt

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 12:36 AM

20. I second that!

Great post.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 12:11 PM

23. Sanders's decision to not take the opportunity to push single payer is the big development

 

He's voting against Single Payer--there will be those who would find that troubling, but he's not listening to them (thankfully).

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 01:06 PM

24. Schumer's and Pelosi's leadership has held the Democratic caucuses together

in both chambers. Schumer was smart to provide cover for anyone who may have been tempted by Daines's amendment.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:12 PM

25. From article: "Daines is interested in calling attention to Democrats' internal discord."

Looks like "internal discord" is a big boon for the GOP, as we've seen. What a concept.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 10:33 PM

10. Somewhat Surprised. Sanders Introduced a Single Payer Bill During ACA Process...

...even though he did not have the votes and it splintered support for the ACA. I can see why the Republicans would think that Bernie might decide to showboat at the expense of his allies.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:01 PM

13. Yeah, but I certainly wouldn't trust a Repub "single payer" bill...

sounds more like some kind of poison pill to split the Dem caucus, as he OP points out.

Unfortunately, I'm sure the Repubs will couch this in the old "Dems won't participate" bullshit.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 11:46 AM

22. Democrat John Conyers "Medicare for All" bill has 115 co-sponsors.

Conyers has introduced this bill every year since 2003. (It was introduced again in January of this year.) This landmark legislation has been ready to go for 15 years. It has the majority of the Democratic congressional caucus as its co-sponsors.

This is why it's so important that supporters of single payer elect Democrats in 2018.

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2017/04/26/medicare-all-bill-reaches-record-breaking-104-co-sponsors-congress

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/676

http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/HR676_and_S915

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act#Timeline

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:20 PM

16. Go Bernie! As always.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 08:35 PM

28. See post #27 below.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:40 PM

17. That's a desperate plan

 

Is anyone really going to be mad about Democrats not voting for a Republican introduced single payer mystery bill?

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:28 PM

27. As far as the last statement from the spokesman for Sanders...

...that was basically what Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said on the floor of the Senate yesterday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/democrats-schumer-health-care-241010

Dems to GOP: No amendments until you show us your bill

Chuck Schumer wasn't posturing, but taking real action and leadership. Thank you Senator Schumer!

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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 11:59 AM

29. Is it OK to applaud and support actual Democrats here? And the Democratic Party?

Getting hard to know anymore.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:18 PM

30. Shhhhhh....

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Response to George II (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:18 PM

31. No shit, from what I hear it was real bad last year, from what i hear

it is THAT bad again here already and if it is that bad here, it is WORSE 0ut there!

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