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Duppers

(28,118 posts)
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:12 PM Jul 2017

White House: Trump to sign Russia sanctions bill

Source: CNN

President Donald Trump has reviewed the final version of Russia sanctions legislation and plans to sign it, the White House announced Friday night.

Trump read early drafts of the bill, negotiated elements of it and "based on its responsiveness to his negotiations, approves the bill and intends to sign it," the White House statement said.

The legislation, which was sent to the White House on Friday, would sanction Russia while sharply limiting Trump's ability to ease penalties against Moscow independently.
Rejecting the bill would have further galvanized resistance against the President and deepened concerns about possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. And Congress would have quickly overturn a veto...




Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/white-house-russia-sanctions/index.html



This is going to be most interesting. Putin's not going to be happy with his "investment."

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White House: Trump to sign Russia sanctions bill (Original Post) Duppers Jul 2017 OP
He has no choice. A veto override would make him look even worst still_one Jul 2017 #1
He could not have signed it and just let it sit on his desk. LonePirate Jul 2017 #6
I didn't appreciate all the intricacies involved there. Thanks still_one Jul 2017 #11
If he had let it sit, it would have automatically become law BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #16
Right. :) I could have saved myself the trouble of Hortensis Jul 2017 #18
Yeah - I keep laughing my ass off at the ignoramuses BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #20
But will the Fuhrer-in-Chief INFORCE sanctions on Russia?!?!... highly doubtful. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #2
I'm thinking Putin told Trumpo to sign it, to take the heat off of what would come if he didn't. JoeOtterbein Jul 2017 #3
No point to veto, there are enough votes to over-ride. Even Putin knows that. thesquanderer Jul 2017 #17
I wonder how Putin will retaliate? Vogon_Glory Jul 2017 #4
Putin always gets even in one way or another. Duppers Jul 2017 #7
He already has he ordered the US to cut its embassy personal down cstanleytech Jul 2017 #9
Riiigghhht... janx Jul 2017 #5
Pee-Pee TAPE!! Pee-Pee TAPE!! Pee-Pee TAPE!! hatrack Jul 2017 #8
The kompromat is sure to come. Bend over 45! ffr Jul 2017 #12
He read? How did he do that? Real words? defacto7 Jul 2017 #10
They meant to say, it was read TO him... Pluvious Jul 2017 #21
Putin must have given his puppet permission to sign this bill Gothmog Jul 2017 #13
Can't wait for Putin to leak a lot of intelligence on Trump. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #14
He won't sign it. Something will happen with Korea, or something similar... C Moon Jul 2017 #15
Terrible Legislation and awful so-called journalism by CNN . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #19
WaPo: "EVERYTHING" Putin has been putting off in this conflict, he's now going to do! Duppers Jul 2017 #22
In my view the WaPo article is even worse . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #23
But they did give it a mention, a mere mention... Duppers Jul 2017 #24
And the CNN article mentioned Iran and N.K. Duppers Jul 2017 #25
I don't think I'm understanding you. The Democrats who voted for this are undoing the VermontKevin Jul 2017 #27
That and this statement... Duppers Jul 2017 #28
Yes, I'm really wondering why Dems are going along . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #29
I'd use Occams razor on this one. The Dems are preserving the Dem legacy. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #30
Germany's actions are entirely predictable . . FairWinds Jul 2017 #31
Will he show Pootie how pretty his handwriting is or sign it in private? world wide wally Jul 2017 #26

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
6. He could not have signed it and just let it sit on his desk.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:25 PM
Jul 2017

Of course with the House being in recess and the Senate being in its ridiculous Pro Forma sessions to keep the lights on, I'm not sure if the bill would become law or if would be subject to a pocket veto. I'm guessing it would amount to a pocket veto due to the House being in recess.

So yeah, he was screwed either way. Damn the luck, you traitorous POS.

BumRushDaShow

(128,841 posts)
16. If he had let it sit, it would have automatically become law
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 07:22 AM
Jul 2017

The pocket veto thing generally tends to happen at the end of a calendar year when both chambers adjourn.

At this point of the year, neither chamber is adjourning. The House is in recess and the Senate is still "in session" (since they are doing the gaveling in every 3 days thing - "pro forma" ).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Right. :) I could have saved myself the trouble of
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jul 2017

looking that up, as it turns out. I did like this about Scaramucci, though:

"White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci suggested in a television interview that Trump may veto the bill and be tougher on Russia than Congress."


LOL for the silly bloviating, but this buffoon really does seem to be better than anyone before at channeling the Buffoon-in-Chief.

BumRushDaShow

(128,841 posts)
20. Yeah - I keep laughing my ass off at the ignoramuses
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jul 2017

that they keep funneling into the West Wing.

But see - every time they keep uttering these types of boastful base-feeding nonsensical "promises" and then they "lose" after discovering that government does not operate like "a business", eventually even their "base" will get tired of it.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
17. No point to veto, there are enough votes to over-ride. Even Putin knows that.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 09:33 AM
Jul 2017

So a veto would be counter-productive. It would feed the flame of Trump seeming beholden to Russia, while actually not providing any benefit to Russia since it would become law anyway. That's actually worst case for Putin.

So yeah, I agree that Putin wants him to sign it, though I doubt it was necessary for Putin to tell him. It's kind of self-evident, and I doubt Trump had any advisers--under Russia's influence or not--suggesting that he not sign it.

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
7. Putin always gets even in one way or another.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:27 PM
Jul 2017

Trump will never be safe if he signs this bill and enforces it. Never.

Lovely.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
9. He already has he ordered the US to cut its embassy personal down
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:53 PM
Jul 2017

to match the limitations set by the US against Russia and he seized 2 US properties some warehouse and something else I cannot recall what off the top of my head.
Frankly I think we should just close our embassy and order all their diplomats out of the country including those here for the UN and if they want back in then they need to admit their past actions and agree to stop any future assaults on our country and its election process and agree to pay a significant monetary penalty of 100 billion US dollars if they get caught doing it again.

janx

(24,128 posts)
5. Riiigghhht...
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 10:21 PM
Jul 2017
Trump read early drafts of the bill, negotiated elements of it and "based on its responsiveness to his negotiations, approves the bill and intends to sign it," the White House statement said.



He had no choice.

Pluvious

(4,308 posts)
21. They meant to say, it was read TO him...
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jul 2017

... In short snippets, by his pretty female aide (wearing a beautiful floral print Summer dress), during the Fox 'n Fiends commercial breaks.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
14. Can't wait for Putin to leak a lot of intelligence on Trump.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:26 AM
Jul 2017

Trump is now the most ineffectual president ever.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
15. He won't sign it. Something will happen with Korea, or something similar...
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 03:24 AM
Jul 2017

everyone will be looking that way, and he'll veto it when nobody is watching.
The GOP is a party of traitors. They signed onto this knowing Traitor Trump wouldn't sign it.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
19. Terrible Legislation and awful so-called journalism by CNN . .
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 10:47 AM
Jul 2017

the issue is not just Russia

the bill includes highly questionable sanctions against Iran (NK too),
and one can legitimately ask what purpose the legislation
will serve.

The Drumph is trying to do everything he can to undo the
entire Obama legacy - including blowing up the Iran deal.

At some point, perhaps soon, Europe, China and the rest of the
world will stop going along with endless punitive sanctions.

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
22. WaPo: "EVERYTHING" Putin has been putting off in this conflict, he's now going to do!
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:18 PM
Jul 2017

Last edited Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Russia has promised additional retaliatory measures against the new sanctions once they become law, possibly targeting U.S. commercial or trade interests.

“This is a landmark moment,” said Andrei Kolesnikov, a journalist for the newspaper Kommersant who regularly travels with Putin and has interviewed him extensively over the past 17 years. “His patience has seriously run out, and everything that he’s been putting off in this conflict, he’s now going to do.”

...
Among the areas that could be affected are a United Nations vote on new North Korea sanctions and cooperation in Syria.

...
In Syria, the administration is depending on Russia to restrain its allies — the government of President Bashar al-Assad and Iran — from interfering in the campaign against the Islamic State.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/07/28/trump-intends-to-sign-russia-sanctions-bill-white-house-says-it-would-let-congress-block-him-from-easing-sanctions-on-moscow/?utm_term=.7b65f48e9554


(Hope the WaPo reporting is better for you.)


Anyway, this seems like a stern warning from Putin. He could bring Trump down with blackmail info he has on him but then he'd have to deal with the less pliable Pence.



 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
23. In my view the WaPo article is even worse . .
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:37 PM
Jul 2017

it makes no mention at all of Iran sanctions being part of the bill
(NK as well).

People are paying remarkably little attention to the prospect of
war with Iran.

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
24. But they did give it a mention, a mere mention...
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:47 PM
Jul 2017

"Trump’s aides had given mixed signals about whether the president would sign or veto the Russia legislation, which is packaged with additional sanctions on Iran and North Korea that he supports."

I'm more worried about his doing something stupid with NK.


Duppers

(28,118 posts)
25. And the CNN article mentioned Iran and N.K.
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 02:54 PM
Jul 2017
Republican lawmakers also pointed to North Korea's latest missile test as yet another reason for Trump to sign the bill, which also includes new sanctions against North Korea and Iran.



Yep, that was very offhandedly tho.



 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
27. I don't think I'm understanding you. The Democrats who voted for this are undoing the
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 03:17 PM
Jul 2017

Obama legacy but Rand Paul and Bernie are trying to preserve it?

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
28. That and this statement...
Sat Jul 29, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jul 2017

"At some point, perhaps soon, Europe, China and the rest of the
world will stop going along with endless punitive sanctions."

I don't think so. Europe hates Putin as much as we Dem do - we voted for them.


The House on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to advance new financial sanctions against key U.S. adversaries and deliver a foreign-policy brushback to President Trump by limiting his ability to waive many of them.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-prepares-to-pass-sanctions-bill--and-set-up-veto-dilemma-for-trump/2017/07/25/ece80164-7138-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?utm_term=.0e5df9ad0a51



Thanks, VK.



 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
29. Yes, I'm really wondering why Dems are going along . .
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jul 2017

with blowing up one of Obama's signature achievements.

I'm glad that Bernie voted NO

From the NYT (July 18) - "But parties to the agreement also include Britain, China, France, Russia and Germany,
which do not share Mr. Trump’s objections. An American withdrawal would leave the United States
isolated on the issue.

Moreover, the nuclear agreement is monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency of the United
Nations, which has repeatedly found Iran to be in compliance despite Mr. Trump’s assertions that Iran is
not adhering to “the spirit” of the agreement."

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
30. I'd use Occams razor on this one. The Dems are preserving the Dem legacy.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jul 2017

The Independent and the Libertarian are no so invested.

Otherwise, you are suggesting that every Democrat decided to crap on the Obama legacy. I trust Warren, Franken, Udall and Wyden.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
31. Germany's actions are entirely predictable . .
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jul 2017

And I hope they oppose the Iran sanctions as well.

We oppose the US as international bully.

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