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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:05 PM Aug 2017

Mattis orders Pentagon to allow transgender troops to continue serving, pending study

Source: MSN

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis late Tuesday announced that transgender troops will be allowed to continue serving in the military pending the results of a study by experts. 

The announcement follows tweets and an order from President Trump that indicated transgender service members no longer had place in the military, effectively reversing an Obama administration policy. The order also affects the Department of Homeland Security, which houses the Coast Guard.

"Once the panel reports its recommendations and following my consultation with the secretary of Homeland Security, I will provide my advice to the president concerning implementation of his policy direction," Mattis said in the statement. "In the interim, current policy with respect to currently serving members will remain in place."

Mattis' move buys time for the Pentagon to determine how and if it will allow thousands of transgender troops to continue to serve, whether they will receive medical treatment, or how they will be discharged.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mattis-orders-pentagon-to-allow-transgender-troops-to-continue-serving-pending-study/ar-AAqX5NJ?ocid=spartanntp



That's right...Trump's own Secretary of Defense is now defying his authority. The implications are "yuge".
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Mattis orders Pentagon to allow transgender troops to continue serving, pending study (Original Post) Ken Burch Aug 2017 OP
Super! nt marybourg Aug 2017 #1
Whoa. Showing spine and some reasonable thinking. Awaiting the tweetstorm! NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #2
I think enacting the ban is all Pence's doing. I don't think 45 cares one way or another. LonePirate Aug 2017 #3
So, if Congress passed the "National Dress Like A Pantsless Mime On Thursdays Act"...? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #6
He'd happily sign it sight unseen if there was a camera crew filming him. LonePirate Aug 2017 #10
If pence was in charge he would make sure Doreen Aug 2017 #14
Told you so. Even an Official Memo on Presidential Stationery Warpy Aug 2017 #4
Yep. TomSlick Aug 2017 #9
Awesome! Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #5
"Failing Pentagon Run By Gender Freaks. Sad!" Ken Burch Aug 2017 #7
Wait! Wait!!! How can the world's greatest expert on everything be overruled bucolic_frolic Aug 2017 #8
That trash order Trump wrote gave Mattis the power to make that determination. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #11
Suck it, draft-dodging Putin fellater! flibbitygiblets Aug 2017 #12
Love rebellion in the high ranks! burrowowl Aug 2017 #13
I hope it is contagious. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #15
Great news, but now trump will probably fire him DesertRat Aug 2017 #16
I don't think that's defying Trump's order. It's only as to those already in service, Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #17
It's not rebellion, that's how the pentagon rolls. X_Digger Aug 2017 #18
"We'll get right on that, Sir." nolabear Aug 2017 #19
Mayhaps there is more to this order. denbot Aug 2017 #20
Clear Cut Insubordination DallasNE Aug 2017 #21

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
3. I think enacting the ban is all Pence's doing. I don't think 45 cares one way or another.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:09 PM
Aug 2017

45 merely signs whatever they shove in front of him. I don't think he has a clue about 75% or more of what he has signed.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
14. If pence was in charge he would make sure
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:33 PM
Aug 2017

he rounded up as many LGBTQ as possible and gas them to death. He would make it against the law to be LGBTQ and punishable by death. Trump just does not give a flying fuck.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
4. Told you so. Even an Official Memo on Presidential Stationery
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:09 PM
Aug 2017

is not good enough for the military. Mattis is not on board with this. He knows how much it costs to train a soldier and that a lot of these people will take a long time to replace if Enema Nozzle keeps pitching a fit about it. Mattis is a smart old bastard and won't just tell him "no." However, I imagine that study will take a very long time.

TomSlick

(11,035 posts)
9. Yep.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:24 PM
Aug 2017

DoD isn't going to make this radical (not to mention probably unconstitutional) change without serious study and lawyer work. I remain unconvinced that this will ever really happen. The study and regulatory drafting will take long enough for Trump to forget about it. In this case, a short attention span is a good thing.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. "Failing Pentagon Run By Gender Freaks. Sad!"
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:18 PM
Aug 2017

"I Was Right To Dodge Loser Army. You're Welcome!"



If we're lucky, he'll brag about ripping off veterans.

bucolic_frolic

(42,679 posts)
8. Wait! Wait!!! How can the world's greatest expert on everything be overruled
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:23 PM
Aug 2017

by any study by experts? This is crushing my brain!

Solly Mack

(90,740 posts)
11. That trash order Trump wrote gave Mattis the power to make that determination.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 08:27 PM
Aug 2017

Mattis is NOT defying Trump - BUT - I am happy to see Mattis is taking the long view on it.

What Trump did was cowardly and horrible but Mattis is still following the directive. But what he is also doing is something positive - Mattis is allowing time in hopes he never has to implement the full measure of the directive.

I live on an army post. My husband was the Equal Opportunity Rep & Advocate and he dealt with these matters. He still has contacts in retirement.

Mattis is not defying the directive, but he is slowing it down.



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. I don't think that's defying Trump's order. It's only as to those already in service,
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:02 PM
Aug 2017

while they all wait to see how the stance on transgenders shakes out. It takes time to come up with a plan, and to work out the details.

Personally, I think the cost of the TG surgeries is what made this an issue. To Trump.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
18. It's not rebellion, that's how the pentagon rolls.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:08 PM
Aug 2017

Drumph's order directs Mattis to study the issue and determine how to implement the ban.

denbot

(9,894 posts)
20. Mayhaps there is more to this order.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 10:27 PM
Aug 2017

All the major service chiefs made announcements last week basically snubbing tDumpster's racist bullshit, now Mattis is openly slow walking another bigoted signing order.

I have never seen anything like this. It is my hope that the most senior levels of our military know that tDumpster is not going to be occupying the Oval Office much longer.

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