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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 05:53 AM Aug 2017

Japan, US look to cut off North Korea's oil supply

Source: Asian Review

TOKYO -- The U.S. and Japan will call for an international embargo on oil exports to North Korea in response to Tuesday's launch of a ballistic missile over Japan, as the allies seek to strike at the lifeblood of Pyongyang's weapons programs.

The ban will be proposed at an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council to be held in New York on Tuesday at the request of Japan, the U.S. and South Korea.

All three countries are on the same page regarding tighter sanctions. In a phone call Tuesday, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and U.S. President Donald Trump agreed that now is the time for further pressure on North Korea, rather than dialogue.

Pyongyang "signaled its contempt for its neighbors" with the launch, Trump said in a statement. "Threatening and destabilizing actions only increase the North Korean regime's isolation," he warned, adding that "all options are on the table."

Read more: https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Pyongyang-provocation/Japan-US-look-to-cut-off-North-Korea-s-oil-supply

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haveahart

(905 posts)
1. Yes, that's right. Help starve a hungry beast. That will calm it down.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:09 AM
Aug 2017

After the bloviating by Herr Trump, what did anyone really expect?

I am sorry, but if Kim had a place at the table of nations and if we stopped promising to obliterate NK may, just maybe he might trade missiles for food, trade, and respect among nations.

What did we do when Pakistan and India developed their nukes and Israel? Not a damn thing...no sanctions, no boycotts. All we did was give them more American tech jobs and allow more immigrants from their countries. Why is NK any different? Oh, that's right...COMMUNISM!

That's why we don't trade with China...right?

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
2. UN conference adopts treaty banning nuclear weapons
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:01 AM
Aug 2017

USA should stop being part of the problem!

Countries meeting at a United Nations conference in New York July 2017 adopted the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. The treaty – adopted by a vote of 122 in favour – prohibits a full range of nuclear-weapon-related activities, such as undertaking to develop, test, produce, manufacture, acquire, possess or stockpile nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices, as well as the use or threat of use of these weapons.

The treaty will be open for signature to all States at UN Headquarters in New York on 20 September 2017, and enter into force 90 days after it has been ratified by at least 50 countries. However, a number of countries stayed out of the negotiations, including the United States, Russia and other nuclear-weapon States, as well as many of their allies. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) did not join the talks either.


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=57139

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
14. "Yes, that's right. Help starve a hungry beast."
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:04 PM
Aug 2017

I think it's ironic that this is one of the reasons Japan attacked the US to start the war.
We wanted them to stop their aggression in Asia and we stopped their oil supply.
They saw it as an economic attack and BOOM...
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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
3. God, I actually agree with this approach
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:22 AM
Aug 2017

Someone in the Trump administration must have given him the idea.

North Korea has been playing the world for decades. Threaten, sabre rattle, test a nuclear device/missile. Afterwards, the UN condemns them and they agree to stop in exchange for aid/money/etc. Rinse and repeat.

I've always said STOP REWARDING THEM after they pull their shit.

North Korea is so used to causing a stink then getting something from the US. It's well past time to break the bad behavior rewarding cycle.



 

haveahart

(905 posts)
4. How is feeding people and treating their *even abhorrent" leader with such disrespect going
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 08:14 AM
Aug 2017

to get them to stop doing what they believe is in their own defense? I just heard one foreign affairs "expert" say basically what I am saying. They want themselves and their leader treated like other leaders. If we can sit at a table with Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Russia, India, and Pakistan and even China, why the f**k can't we talk directly to Kim? It makes no sense and is just like our stupid policy with Cuba.

We just need a nation we can bully and have a reason to feed the military-industrial-complex.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
5. This should work well.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 10:09 AM
Aug 2017

Does anyone remember why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor?

https://pearlharborwarbirds.com/why-japan-attacked-pearl-harbor/

Numbers one and two.

What's that saying about learning from history?

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
7. Sounds right. I don't get why a lot of American think that it was a "surprise attack".
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:01 AM
Aug 2017


My father, born in 1922, told me the conflict with Japan was about rubber long before it was about the spread of fascism or communism.

Yes, we had already threatened Japan over S E Asia rubber sources that the U.S. so badly wanted to control.

But N. Korea isn't currently as much a military threat as Japan was in relative times.

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EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
9. "Why HAVE WE BEEN selling oil to N. Korea?"
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 04:53 PM
Aug 2017

Who says we have? I believe they get most of their oil from China.

"Why come to the dangerous, gun-ridden, racist U.S. for a vacation when they could go to so many other beautiful places?"

Dangerous? Compared to where?

US homicide rate per 100,000=4.8
World avg 6.2
African continent avg 12.5
American continent avg 16.3
European avg 3.0

Maybe the sunny Bahamas? 29.8
Ok, then Jamaica! 43.2
Hmmm, Virgin Islands? 52.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
10. Here you go! All of these countries have a lower homicide rate than the U.S. per capita
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 05:20 PM
Aug 2017

Some REALLY nice places where the chances of getting killed are FAR LESSENED than here in the U.S..
Might have something to do with each nations' gun laws.. ya think?

Country (or subnational area, etc.) Rate Count Region Subregion Year listed

Andorra 0.00 0 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Liechtenstein 0.00 0 Europe Western Europe 2015
Monaco 0.00 0 Europe Western Europe 2008
San Marino 0.00 0 Europe Southern Europe 2011
Macao 0.17 1 Asia Eastern Asia 2015
Singapore 0.25 14 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2015
Hong Kong 0.30 22 Asia Eastern Asia 2015
Japan 0.31 395 Asia Eastern Asia 2014
French Polynesia (France) 0.38 1 Oceania Polynesia 2009
Brunei 0.49 2 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2013
Indonesia 0.50 1,277 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2014
Austria 0.51 44 Europe Western Europe 2015
Bahrain 0.54 7 Asia Western Asia 2011
Norway 0.56 29 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Palestine 0.60 26 Asia Western Asia 2012 notes
Netherlands 0.61 104 Europe Western Europe 2015
Madagascar 0.62 130 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Ireland 0.64 30 Europe Northern Europe 2015
Spain 0.66 303 Europe Southern Europe 2015
United Arab Emirates 0.66 60 Asia Western Asia 2015
Switzerland 0.69 57 Europe Western Europe 2015
Burkina Faso 0.71 117 Africa Western Africa 2012
Luxembourg 0.72 4 Europe Western Europe 2014
China 0.74 10,083 Asia Eastern Asia 2014 notes
Poland 0.74 286 Europe Eastern Europe 2015
South Korea 0.74 372 Asia Eastern Asia 2014
Czech Republic 0.75 79 Europe Eastern Europe 2015
Italy 0.78 469 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Taiwan 0.82 192 Asia Eastern Asia 2015
Germany 0.85 682 Europe Western Europe 2015
Greece 0.85 93 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Maldives 0.85 3 Asia Southern Asia 2013
Croatia 0.87 37 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Slovakia 0.88 48 Europe Eastern Europe 2015
Iceland 0.91 3 Europe Northern Europe 2015
New Zealand 0.91 41 Oceania Australasia 2014
United Kingdom 0.92 594 Europe Northern Europe 2014
Tonga 0.95 1 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Malta 0.96 4 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Portugal 0.97 100 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Australia 0.98 236 Oceania Australasia 2015
Denmark 0.99 56 Europe Northern Europe 2015
Morocco 1.05 355 Africa Northern Africa 2014
Oman 1.06 34 Asia Western Asia 2011
Serbia 1.13 100 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Sweden 1.15 112 Europe Northern Europe 2015
Slovenia 1.21 25 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Cyprus 1.29 15 Asia Western Asia 2015
Nauru 1.31 x Oceania Micronesia 2012
Israel 1.36 110 Asia Western Asia 2015 notes
Algeria 1.37 542 Africa Northern Africa 2015
Tajikistan 1.44 117 Asia Central Asia 2013
Hungary 1.48 146 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Romania 1.49 291 Europe Eastern Europe 2015
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.50 57 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Saudi Arabia 1.50 472 Asia Western Asia 2015
Vietnam 1.52 1,358 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2011
France 1.58 1,017 Europe Western Europe 2015
Macedonia 1.59 33 Europe Southern Europe 2014
Finland 1.60 88 Europe Northern Europe 2015
Kosovo 1.60 30 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Canada 1.68 604 Americas Northern America 2014
Ghana 1.70 423 Africa Western Africa 2011
Kuwait 1.78 61 Asia Western Asia 2012
Malawi 1.78 279 Africa Eastern Africa 2012
Bulgaria 1.80 129 Europe Eastern Europe 2015
Réunion (France) 1.82 15 Africa Eastern Africa 2009
Cambodia 1.84 268 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2011
Malaysia 1.92 540 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2010
Sierra Leone 1.92 124 Africa Western Africa 2015
Belgium 1.95 220 Europe Western Europe 2015
Jordan 2.00 144 Asia Western Asia 2013
Vanuatu 2.13 6 Oceania Melanesia 2015
Seychelles 2.15 2 Africa Eastern Africa 2010
Syria 2.23 463 Asia Western Asia 2010 notes
Nepal 2.27 639 Asia Southern Asia 2014
Albania 2.28 117 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Myanmar 2.42 1,304 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2015
Armenia 2.45 74 Asia Western Asia 2015
Azerbaijan 2.45 236 Asia Western Asia 2014
Guam (US) 2.49 4 Oceania Micronesia 2011
Libya 2.49 156 Africa Northern Africa 2015 notes
Bangladesh 2.51 4,035 Asia Southern Asia 2015
Georgia 2.68 108 Asia Western Asia 2014
Mauritius 2.71 34 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Montenegro 2.72 17 Europe Southern Europe 2015
Bhutan 2.75 21 Asia Southern Asia 2014
Martinique (France) 2.78 11 Americas Caribbean 2009
Sri Lanka 2.91 598 Asia Southern Asia 2013
Fiji 2.97 26 Oceania Melanesia 2012
Uzbekistan 2.99 893 Asia Central Asia 2015
Tunisia 3.05 332 Africa Northern Africa 2012
Cook Islands 3.06 1 Oceania Polynesia 2012
Niue 3.07 x Oceania Polynesia 2012
Palau 3.11 1 Oceania Micronesia 2012
Samoa 3.15 6 Oceania Polynesia 2013
Moldova 3.19 130 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Estonia 3.20 42 Europe Northern Europe 2015
Equatorial Guinea 3.21 27 Africa Middle Africa 2015
India 3.21 41,623 Asia Southern Asia 2014
Liberia 3.22 135 Africa Western Africa 2012
Egypt 3.23 2,703 Africa Northern Africa 2011
New Caledonia (France) 3.29 8 Oceania Melanesia 2009
Mozambique 3.39 849 Africa Eastern Africa 2011
Sao Tome and Principe 3.44 6 Africa Middle Africa 2011
Thailand 3.51 2,387 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2015
Belarus 3.58 340 Europe Eastern Europe 2014
Chile 3.59 638 Americas South America 2014
East Timor 3.69 39 Asia South-Eastern Asia 2010
Solomon Islands 3.77 19 Oceania Melanesia 2008
Aruba (Netherlands) 3.94 4 Americas Caribbean 2010
Lebanon 3.95 231 Asia Western Asia 2015
Burundi 4.03 436 Africa Eastern Africa 2014
Latvia 4.11 81 Europe Northern Europe 2015
Iran 4.12 3,259 Asia Southern Asia 2015
Turkmenistan 4.20 225 Asia Central Asia 2015
Turkey 4.30 3,216 Asia Western Asia 2012
Ukraine 4.36 1,988 Europe Eastern Europe 2010
North Korea 4.41 1,110 Asia Eastern Asia 2015
Niger 4.47 788 Africa Western Africa 2012
Rwanda 4.51 500 Africa Eastern Africa 2013
Micronesia, Fed. Sts. 4.67 5 Oceania Micronesia 2015
Marshall Islands 4.68 2 Oceania Micronesia 2013
Cuba 4.72 534 Americas Caribbean 2011
Kazakhstan 4.84 853 Asia Central Asia 2015
United States 4.88 15,696 Americas Northern America 2015


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
11. Less to do with gun laws then how violent the society is..
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:42 PM
Aug 2017

....Mexico & Jamaica both have strict gun laws, how's that working out for them?

Here's firearm ownership vs homicides, maybe you see a correlation but I don't:


truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
13. The number of blue lines does not match the number of countries, and they don't line up.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 06:54 PM
Aug 2017

At all. Look at it. The blue lines appear between countries. It's a bunch of hooey.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
15. That's pretty funny because countries with very strict laws have far fewer forearm deaths.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 07:09 PM
Aug 2017

Look again at the graph that "GunFacts" provided ( no bias there !!) and you'll see that most of the taller blue lines (more homicides) are on the left side in coordination with more guns owned..

There is no disputing that... you've disavowed your own point!

Another fact is that in the U.S. the states with looser gun laws have more gun deaths per capita.

I know you're a big pro-gun guy here, this isn't going to get anywhere.
I'll still enjoy my 10/22s in DLX and LVT, 455s in WMR and HMR, 527 in .223, my 12 ga and soon to own H006.

Hand guns and AR types are a scourge in this country.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
8. I get the feeling that Kim Jong Un will be the LAST of this Kim family line to rule N. Korea.
Wed Aug 30, 2017, 11:04 AM
Aug 2017

Something has got to give.

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