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riversedge

(70,077 posts)
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:03 PM Sep 2017

Canada's Trudeau issues rallying cry for climate fight and takes a dig at the US

Source: CNN



By Nicole Gaouette

Updated 4:26 PM ET, Thu September 21, 2017

Justin Trudeau speaks about Canada-US relations 00:50
Story highlights

Trudeau argued that the challenges posed by climate change also present an economic opportunity
He also focused heavily on the situation of Canada's native peoples

New York (CNN)Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau offered a rallying cry Thursday for the fight against climate change and an implicit rebuke to President Donald Trump, who has announced his intention to pull the US from the Paris agreement to slow global warming.

"There is no country on the planet that can walk away from the challenge and reality of climate change," Trudeau told the United Nations General Assembly in New York. "And for our part, Canada will continue to fight for the global plan that has a realistic chance of countering it. We have a responsibility to future generations and we will uphold it."

Trudeau, who focused heavily on the situation of Canada's native peoples, wove themes of sustainability and people-centered policies through remarks that touched on trade, economic development, the success of women and girls, and the environment. ...............................................

Trudeau also announced his government would be introducing legislation to give women equal pay for equal work. .................................

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/21/politics/trudeau-canada-unga-remarks/index.html?CNNPolitics=Tw



Canada moves forward for its people while the USA moves backwards.





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TexasBushwhacker

(20,137 posts)
4. Yup, my thoughts exactly
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:46 PM
Sep 2017

Until he shuts down tar sands mining and piping Canadian bitumen through the Keystone XL pipeline in the US he can STFU. Eye candy for sure though.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
5. The Liberal Party is extremely unpopular in Alberta.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:01 PM
Sep 2017

Mainly due to their visceral hatred of Pierre Trudeau, Justin's father.

Justin has his hands full with Alberta, the Canadian version of Texas. Hopefully he can change some minds out there.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
6. True, but now it's too costly to be produced
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:36 PM
Sep 2017

They were sinners but now the oil market allows them to see the light. Hallelujah!

NNadir

(33,466 posts)
7. That oil is temporarily cheap is not good news for the planet. Worse news is that there are...
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:53 PM
Sep 2017

...people who think "natural gas" is "clean," and "transitional."

The fact is that current policies, and I include the policies of people on our end of the political spectrum here, are designed to dump every last molecule of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere that can be dumped into the atmosphere.

Canada's oil sands will very much be a part of this equation since there is no rational plan to phase out fossil fuels, except to offer nonsensical claims that so called "renewable energy" will work someday, when all the people making this claim will, conveniently, be dead.

Guess what? Renewable energy didn't work. It isn't working. It won't work. The reason is physics, the energy to mass ratio.

There is only one fuel with a energy to mass ratio higher than fossil fuels, and that would be nuclear fuel.

Of course, people don't like nuclear fuel because they're concerned with so called "nuclear waste," which would be laughable given that we dump 30 billion tons of fossil fuel waste into the atmosphere every year, leading to half of the 7 million deaths that occur from air pollution each year. It would be funny were it not tragic.

There is no hope therefore that those oil sands will not end up in the atmosphere, and of course, the Athabasca River. We are all, left and right, lying to ourselves. Trudeau is just a pretty boy lying louder than the rest of us. On the issue of climate his lies are Trumpian in scale.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
8. What is the market price for Alberta oil rights?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 10:10 PM
Sep 2017

If you are right then investors will pay decent amounts to buy Alberta mineral rights. If I am right, that oil prices are going to stay low, then those Alberta rights are dirt cheap. I don't know the current price.

The laws of physics are not going to dramatically lower the cost of extracting oil from Canada oil sands.

NNadir

(33,466 posts)
10. I am not concerned with marketing or markets. I am concerned with the environment. I care...
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:15 PM
Sep 2017

...about future generations, and am uninterested in the transitory concerns about pocket change in this very, very, very, very awful generation of consumer penny-ante merchants.

You seem to believe that oil supplies will last forever; either that or you just don't care what will happen to future generations.

You seem to forget that only a short time ago, people were looking to oil sands as a wonder fuel.

The price of oil isn't want we pay at the pump; it is instead the price we put on human health, the planetary atmosphere; and all of the ecosystems it impacts.

"Market forces" only are important to clerks and merchants, not my kind of people.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
11. Market forces will stop new production in Alberta
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 03:01 PM
Sep 2017

Obviously we should add external costs to the price of oil. I support a carbon tax. My point was that the harm done from Canadian oil production will come to an end soon because the price will be below the cost of new development.

Because you and I are unable to prevail in our desire for an appropriate carbon tax, a tax which includes all the external costs such as the costs of global warming, we must understand market forces to deal with the world as it is.

The declining cost of wind and solar, the declining cost of electric cars, will lock most oil reserves underground. I just hope that happens in time to avoid disaster.

pandr32

(11,553 posts)
9. Americans like the Koch brothers lead investments in oil sands
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:21 PM
Sep 2017

Former Conservative government was very friendly to the Big Oil American interests. More than 2/3rds of investment was foreign and most of that was American such as Kochs and Conoco, Exxon, and Imperial as just a few of several more. Kochs hold leases to the bulk of it.
If only Trudeau could chase them away, but it isn't that easy.

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