U.S. bombers fly off North Korea's coast in show of force

[HAB911]

Source: REUTERS

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancer bombers escorted by fighter jets flew in international airspace over waters east of North Korea on Saturday in a show of force the Pentagon said demonstrated the range of military options available to President Donald Trump.

“This is the farthest north of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) any U.S. fighter or bomber aircraft have flown off North Korea’s coast in the 21st century, underscoring the seriousness with which we take (North Korea‘s) reckless behavior,” said Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-pentagon/u-s-bombers-fly-off-north-koreas-coast-in-show-of-force-idUSKCN1BY0UY?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

[truthisfreedom]

1. Recklessness. Covfefe.

[mobeau69]

2. This is a good way to get a war started. Now just add a little miscalculation and presto.

[Alice11111]

27. An accidental end to humanity by 2 blowhard stooges. DT is in someways stupider. Lil Kim has been

Isolated. DT has the best minds available, excepting his own. The world expected the US to be a leader in tbe free world. We have a maniac bully, no better than Lil Kim, leading us to disaster. The people around him and Congress are too cowardly to take him out...25th Amendment.

[cloudbase]

35. All it takes is one Bedford Incident. n/t

[Old Vet]

3. I swear Trump wants to be a wartime president with N.Korea or Iran....

By pulling out of a nuclear agreement with Iran, That all experts agree Iran is abiding to is basicly looking for trouble. How close will trump fly these bombers to N.Korea before they respond? ,Its a lose-lose situation for the US,

[mobeau69]

4. Somehow, I don't think war with Iran will work out all that well for us.

[OKIsItJustMe]

18. Unlike a war with North Korea you mean?

Which war would work out well for us?

[dchill]

31. Possibly one against Grand Fenwick.

[mobeau69]

34. Of course not. That's not what I meant and that's not what I wrote. n/t

[doc03]

5. What would we do if NK started shelling Seoul and moved on SK?

If they take SK Trump can't nuke them, driving Un out of SK would make
the Iraq War look like child's play.

[HAB911]

7. they would never take SK

this is Trump's perfect scenario, first shot from NK, he would turn it into a field of glass and claim hero status

[defacto7]

8. Not saying you're wrong...

but NK could likely have Seoul in an hour. Would Trump nuke Seoul as well? Do we not think Kim has prepared a shelter for himself and his regime with control of his missiles? I'll admit logic is not the way these guys play ball though so who knows.

[HAB911]

13. they can't "have" Seoul in an hour if you mean "occupy"

they can level Seoul in an hour but Trump doesn't care about that one way or the other. The DMZ is a choke point for moving troops, a death trap really. I spent a year there.

[EX500rider]

15. They can't even level it in an hour either as most the artillery can only reach the N suburbs

Primary Factors
Range – Only about 1/3 of Seoul is presently in range from artillery along a DMZ trace. The northern reaches of Seoul within artillery range have much lower population densities than Seoul proper;

Numbers – Even though KPA has a tremendous number of artillery pieces, only a certain number are emplaced to range Seoul. KPA can’t emplace every weapon near Seoul or the rest of North Korea’s expansive border would be unguarded and even more vulnerable. Moreover, an artillery tube immediately reveals its location as soon as it fires. Therefore only about two-thirds of artillery will open fire at a time. The rest are trying to remain hidden;

Protection – Artillery shelters for twenty million people exist in the greater Seoul metropolitan area. After the initial surprise has worn off, there simply won’t be large numbers of exposed people. Even during the initial attack the vast majority of people will either be at work, at home, or in transit. Few people will be standing in the middle of an open field with no protection whatsoever available anywhere nearby.

Secondary Factors

Dud rate – the only numbers available—to the DPRK as well as the rest of the world—indicate a dud rate of twenty-five percent. It’s like immediately taking every fourth artillery tube away.

Counter-battery fires – shortly after the KPA artillery begins firing, and the political decision has been made, South Korean artillery, Air Forces, and others will begin destroying artillery at a historical rate of 1% per hour. South Korea has had approximately 50 years to figure out where North Korean artillery tubes are emplaced using every sense available to man and machine.

Logistics – in order to move south from the DMZ trace and place the rest of Seoul at risk, KPA must expose approximately 2,500 thin-skinned vehicles each day along three well-defined transportation corridors. Otherwise, KPA grinds to an almost immediate halt without a way to transport fuel, ammunition and spare parts needed to continue moving south. Alternatively, KPA can scavenge from ROK fuel stores and depots if they have not been previously destroyed.

https://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

[HAB911]

17. wow, 25%

no wonder kids the world over are still losing legs and arms from munitions

[doc03]

22. Seams you know more than any of the generals that have

said it wouldn't any cake walk. Do you actually think China is going to sit back and watch?

[EX500rider]

24. I didn't say cakewalk, I said they can't level Seoul in a hour.

[doc03]

37. What I got out of it was we could wipe them off the map as Trump has been

threatening with no consequences. I remember before invading Iraq Rumsfeld said we
could take them out in hours and they would even welcome us as liberators. How many years were we there?
With the terrain and climate in NK we would be in NK for decades unless we would nuke them, it is not like a desert there like in Iraq.
Wars never come out like they do on paper once they get started.

[metalbot]

14. No

North Korea does not have the ability to punch through the world's most miltarized border, beat the South Koreans and take Seoul. Not in an hour, not in a day, not in a week, a month, or a year. The South Korean army has been planning and training to ensure that this does not happen for more than sixty years.

In order for your scenario to be true, you would need to believe that

(A) N Korea was capable to doing a massive build up of armor, troops, materials, supply trucks to the border without raising any warning
(B) N Korea could establish air superiority sufficient to protect their troops after they crossed the DMZ
(C) Somehow N Korea could target all of the artillery that is pointed north and stop it, such that they could maintain supply lines to the south
(D) N Korean command and communications would stay in place despite the immediate air bombardment of N Korea that would take place
(E) the N Korean military can actually fight. This one might be true, but there is not a single officer in the N Korean army with any combat experience.

North Korea could do significant damage to the northern suburbs of Seoul, and could do non-targeted damage to the capital itself, but they aren't getting troops there and raising a flag. The best you might see would be some small commandos units sent into the capital to achieve some type of symbolic attack.

[Plucketeer]

20. They could certainly do some damage at first, but "take"?

The age of dumb bombs and best guesstimates is long gone. Guided bombs would eliminate artillery like clockwork. PLUS - I'm betting that we'd get to see new type weapons we've never seen before.

[doc03]

21. If they would invade SK he can't nuke them without killing

the people in SK, nukes would be useless. It would take an invasion force bigger than we had in the gulf War Iraq to drive him out.

[yallerdawg]

6. Trump told us during the campaign...

he saw no reason to take shit from anyone and no reason not to use our nuclear arsenal whenever he wanted.

62,000,000 deplorable assholes believed him?

Gawdamn each and every one of them.

[dalton99a]

9. Kim Jong-Un is trembling in fear

[EarthFirst]

10. I see we're taking the de-escalation approach here...

Perfect!

[IronLionZion]

11. How can anyone not see what is happening here?

it's not some secret 3d chess. Trump's deliberately trying to provoke war. He wants it so bad it's pathetic.

[defacto7]

23. I see it?

[Alice11111]

29. All rational people in the world see it, including our allies.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. Daring North Korea to shoot one down. Really immature.

[mopinko]

16. how much is this childish pissing contest costing us?

[Eugene]

19. North Korea says rockets to U.S. 'inevitable' as U.S. bombers fly off North Korean coast

Source: Reuters

#WORLD NEWS SEPTEMBER 23, 2017 / 5:44 AM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

North Korea says rockets to U.S. 'inevitable' as U.S. bombers fly off North Korean coast

Michelle Nichols, Yara Bayoumy, Phil Stewart
6 MIN READ

UNITED NATIONS/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - North Korea said on Saturday targeting the U.S. mainland with its rockets was inevitable after “Mr. Evil President” Donald Trump called Pyongyang’s leader “rocket man”, further escalating rhetoric over the North’s nuclear weapons and missile programs.

North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho’s remarks to the United Nations General Assembly came hours after U.S. Air Force B-1B Lancer bombers escorted by fighters flew in international airspace over waters east of North Korea in a show of force the Pentagon said showed the range of military options available to Trump.

Ri’s speech capped a week of rising tensions between Washington and Pyongyang, with Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un trading insults. Trump called Kim a “madman” on Friday, a day after Kim dubbed him a “mentally deranged U.S. dotard.”

On Saturday, the mudslinging continued with Ri calling Trump “a mentally deranged person full of megalomania and complacency” who is trying to turn the United Nations into a “gangsters’ nest”. Ri said Trump himself was on a “suicide mission” after the U.S. president had said Kim was on such a mission.

”‘President Evil’ is holding the seat of the U.S.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-quake/north-korea-says-rockets-to-u-s-inevitable-as-u-s-bombers-fly-off-north-korean-coast-idUSKCN1BY0BS

[Algernon Moncrieff]

25. Message: US lives in glory days of cold war and sends 40 year old bombers to patrol Korea

Perhaps we'd also like to impress them with Ford Pintos and Radio Shack TRS-80 computers.

[Warpy]

26. This is even stupider than the fuckwit's speech at the UN, given against

every single bit of advice he got. He needs a muzzle and food laced heavily with Valium.

I'm sick of this bullshit. The man is not going to grow up and he's incapable of learning since he thinks he knows it all.

[Kath2]

28. Agree 100%.

I was talking to my 28 year old daughter tonight and ranting about Trump. She looked at me with world-weary eyes beyond her years and simply said plaintively and softly, "Mom, fuck Trump."

I was very proud of her attitude bur also ashamed she lives in a society that elects this type of pig.

[Alice11111]

30. Neitber party is a rational enemy. This isn't the cold war when MAD prevented a1st strike.

[truthisfreedom]

32. tiny hands

[RandySF]

33. The B1-1B Lancer

[Man_Bear_Pig]

36. It begins