Chelsea Manning says she was denied entry to Canada

[Calista241]

Source: Reuters

Chelsea Manning was turned back at the Canadian-U.S. border because she was convicted of espionage for passing information to Wikileaks, the former U.S. intelligence analyst said on Monday.

Manning told Reuters via direct message on Twitter that she drove up to the Canadian border in Lacolle, Quebec, on Thursday evening, planning to vacation in Montreal and Vancouver.

She said she was stopped at the border and detained overnight before being handed a report stating she was inadmissible “on grounds of serious criminality,” according to a picture of the report she posted online.

The offenses Manning was convicted of under the U.S. Espionage Act “would equate to an indictable offence, namely Treason” if committed in Canada, the report reads.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-immigration-manning/chelsea-manning-says-she-was-denied-entry-to-canada-idUSKCN1C02OW

[WhiteTara]

1. You can't have been convicted of any crime

to cross the Canadian border.

[Honeycombe8]

2. +1. Also...just how much money does Manning have, to vacation out of country?nt

[WhiteTara]

6. Maybe she was betting on the exchange rate

I don't know what it is now, but at one time when I cared, it was .60 on the dollar.

[Honeycombe8]

7. Just wondering, since she was in prison a while, and wasn't rich before.

It's not exactly cheap to vacation out of the country.

[jberryhill]

16. It's cheaper to drive to Niagara Falls than Las Vegas for me

I suppose it depends on what sort of vacation you had in mind, and where you were located.

[Honeycombe8]

17. I wouldn't know. I've never gone on a vacation. nt

[jberryhill]

19. "Drove up... planning to vacation in Montreal and Vancouver"

That part of the story is a little ridiculous anyway.

That's 46 hours of driving

[Honeycombe8]

40. It is? Good catch! nt

[jberryhill]

41. Amusingly, it is faster to drive through the US from Montreal to Vancouver

Google driving directions:

https://goo.gl/V4U7fX

So, yeah, if someone is entering Quebec from the US, saying they want to go to Vancouver, that's a little odd right there.

[Honeycombe8]

42. +1. Thx for the geography lesson! I should know this! nt

[tblue37]

23. She has supporters, and she also probably is paid for speeches and appearances. nt

[jberryhill]

24. Was she planning on getting paid to appear in Canada?

Because that would be another kettle of fish.

[tblue37]

26. I have no idea. I was just responding to the question of how she has money to

vacation in Canada.

[Honeycombe8]

39. I see. I was just curious how other people get money w/o a regular job.

I always had to have a regular job, so I like to pay attention for tips on how to make money and things like that.

But I doubt anyone will pay me for speeches and appearances.

[Yo_Mama]

43. Even a DUI will keep you out.

I kind of sympathize with the Canadians on that one - they can hardly want a bunch of drunken Americans on their roads.

But that's the reality - no, she will not be allowed into Canada.

[jberryhill]

3. If you've been convicted of a felony in the US, you will be denied entry to Canada

Is that particularly surprising?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/inadmissibility/index.asp

[FSogol]

4. A friend on mine was denied entrance into Canada because of a 15 year old DWI

conviction.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. Same with my brother in law

[riversedge]

18. My brother had a dwi-about 10 years ago. He just left his license at home, and presented his

Passport. He was not driving. They let him in.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. I don't know the particulars. His was only a few years old.

I'm not sure if it was a trigger from a computer or he answered a question.

My BIL was attending g a poker tournament and was turned away at the border for the DUI.

[riversedge]

21. Mine was on a fishing trip and flew in to a small airport-where they went through customs.

[Sgent]

28. If you have a DUI

over 5 years old, you can get in, but you have to apply for a visa before you go -- rather than just give a passport at the border.

[susanna]

30. Canada is seriously harsh on DUI/DWI...always have been. n/t

[crim son]

33. Yep.

I have to show my Canadian birth certificate to ensure I am permitted to cross the border, because of my 10-year-old DUI.

[EllieBC]

11. I think it works the other way too.

Canadians with convictions aren't allowed into the US.

[Nay]

13. Correct. However, in the felony case and the DUI case, you can apply for an

adjudication by a Canadian immigration judge and see if the entry denial can be overturned due to circumstances (for example, if it's been many years since conviction and you've kept your nose clean since then.)

The kicker is that right now, applying and getting the result of an adjudication takes almost a year. If you want to visit Canada in late 2018, send it in now.

That was the deal a few months ago when I checked for a relative who wanted to go to Canada with us on vacation.

[jberryhill]

14. Yes. Did Manning apply for one?

The procedure is linked to the page I posted.

[Nay]

15. Yes, that's the procedure I looked at for my relative. I looked at the denial letter

sent to Manning; to me, it looks like the letter you would get as an explanation of why you were physically turned back at the border, as she was. This denial letter doesn't seem to refer to any application attempt. And, as I mentioned, the wait is about a year to process an adjudication request. It seems to be a big deal. Glad I don't have to go through it.

I took a second look at the link -- she would have to wait 5 years after the completion of her sentence to even apply to be admitted. I wonder if the fact that she was pardoned would have any effect on her admittance, or allow her to apply earlier than the 5 years?

[Sgent]

29. She wasn't pardoned

her sentence was commuted.

[Nay]

36. Ah, gotcha. Nope, she ain't getting into Canada without an adjudication.

[MrSmokeTooMuch]

32. I'm taking a trip to the USA soon

In a week, actually. I'm driving down to take in the scenery and see some new country. Also, I hate to fly!
I have a possession of a narcotic conviction from 1976 on my record but I'm going to take my chances.
I've been to Europe four times and the issue was never brought up. But recently I have been told that the United States of America, the most free country on the planet, frowns upon people like me... retired old farts who once upon a time had a used hash pipe in their denim jacket pocket while REO Speedwagon rolled with the changes on the car's 8-track.
Yes... I am coming to your country to corrupt your youth! Mwah-ha-ha-ha!!! The long game!
Could be a short trip.

[Not Ruth]

54. If they Google your screen name, it is over

[Pope George Ringo II]

5. Even if she's one of your heroes

She became that by paying the price to do what she thought was right. This is part of that price. It's unfortunate, but she knew the package deal she was buying when she started that ball rolling.

[Honeycombe8]

8. Well, it's not personal. It's that way for everyone going there. nt

[rpannier]

9. Canadian Law is pretty clear on that

Convicted of felony means you cannot get in
Same with Japan

[NYC Liberal]

12. And even if it werent a specific law...

if you’re not a citizen of a country, you don’t have any inherent right to enter it.

[rpannier]

22. +1000

Yep

[Skippy33]

34. Wait a sec..

I respectfully disagree. I believe that many people fleeing poverty, crime, or, who are seeking their family, have an inherent right to enter a country. Just look at our southern border for proof.

[melm00se]

35. Few, if any countries,

operate under the Marxist interpretation of borders.

[NYC Liberal]

37. No, not an inherent right. But that doesnt mean it isnt the RIGHT thing to do - it is.

[Eliot Rosewater]

38. I will tell you what no human has the "right" to do, inherently, morally nor should it be

legally and that is own a piece of earth/dirt and not allow the human race to ever walk on that dirt.

[Marengo]

44. I shouldn't have the right to prevent anyone from entering my property?

[Eliot Rosewater]

45. In what world is a person allowed to own dirt, a part of earth?

or corp, etc.

[Marengo]

46. Answer my question with yes or no please.

[Eliot Rosewater]

47. I asked you a simple question, what sense does it make for a rich

person to be able to own a part of earth and forbid us from every stepping foot on it?

[Marengo]

48. I'm not a "rich person", I own 1 home on a small lot. Should I not be allowed to prevent anyone...

From "stepping foot" on it? Please answer with a yes or no.

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. Has nothing to do with rich, I was taying to make a point.

What is preventing a rich person from buying and owning Waikiki Beach once the GOP changes the laws and allows such a thing?

They then charge you for admission to the property, does that make sense to you?

You are asking me a question that doesn't need answering. Any person who occupies a space and pays a rent, like for an apartment, has a right to prevent unauthorized access, which has NOTHING to do with owning dirt.

[Marengo]

50. Who owns the space I occupy?

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. You rent it, you dont own it.

For a temporary amount of time you have the right to control who is on the property.

I dont know why people are so hesitant to admit to me that they AGREE with me that if the teaparty idiots got their way, eliminated ALL government basically and allowed corps or individuals to buy Yellowstone, Yosemite, Waikiki Beach, etc, that this would be bad.

So

a. admit that is something you dont want to see happen

b. then admit that allowing anyone to own EARTH is absurd

[Marengo]

52. I don't legally own my property, to include the "earth", within it's boundaries?

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. What?

Why dont you acknowledge what I said, that you agree with it?

[Skippy33]

55. If it's the right thing to do

Why would it not be inherent? Who gets to decide? If it's not an inherent right for immigrants to enter our southern border, would you be of the mind that they entered illegally?

[BobTheSubgenius]

25. Being pardoned of a criminal conviction won't get you into the US.

It will, however, allow you to apply to DHS for a waiver. A pricey endeavour, and by NO means guaranteed.

Even said waiver is no guarantee; a border guard has a shocking amount of discretion and power. They can deny you entry if they don't like your face. My conversation with a border guard a couple of years ago:

"Where is it you'd like to go in the US?"

"I'm going down to Sea-Tac to pick up my wife."

"You mean that's where you'd LIKE to go."

[brooklynite]

27. Manning wasn't pardoned...her sentence was commuted.

She stands guilty as charged.

[Lil Missy]

31. That's the law. Even if some think of her as a hero. She was convicted of espionage, fairly so.