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Tue Nov 7, 2017, 05:48 PM

Poll: Views of Democratic Party hit lowest mark in 25 years

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)Favorable views of the Democratic Party have dropped to their lowest mark in more than a quarter century of polling, ...

Only 37% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Democrats, down from 44% in March of this year. A majority, 54%, have an unfavorable view, matching their highest mark in polls from CNN and SSRS, CNN/ORC and CNN/USA Today/Gallup stretching back to 1992.
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But the Republican Party isn't doing any better, with just 30% of Americans holding a favorable view. That's essentially the same as September, when the rating hit its lowest point in polling back to 1992, but down from 42% in March. A broad 6 in 10, 61%, have an unfavorable opinion.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html



Nice try, CNN. So the RePutins are also at their worst polling in 25 years, and it is substantially worse than the Democrats, but you picked Democrats as the headline?

Rather blatant bias, don't you think?

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lagomorph777 Nov 2017 OP
TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #1
jalan48 Nov 2017 #2
lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #3
jalan48 Nov 2017 #13
former9thward Nov 2017 #33
mpcamb Nov 2017 #53
emulatorloo Nov 2017 #20
RKP5637 Nov 2017 #28
BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #5
jalan48 Nov 2017 #7
BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #8
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #14
question everything Nov 2017 #15
emulatorloo Nov 2017 #17
rockfordfile Nov 2017 #24
BlueIdaho Nov 2017 #54
zentrum Nov 2017 #6
jalan48 Nov 2017 #9
Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #29
zentrum Nov 2017 #31
Fresh_Start Nov 2017 #32
zentrum Nov 2017 #39
denvine Nov 2017 #43
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zentrum Nov 2017 #46
LeftInTX Nov 2017 #36
lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #55
malchickiwick Nov 2017 #4
byronius Nov 2017 #10
Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #11
Sunlei Nov 2017 #12
romanic Nov 2017 #16
NurseJackie Nov 2017 #18
emulatorloo Nov 2017 #19
R B Garr Nov 2017 #21
emulatorloo Nov 2017 #23
zentrum Nov 2017 #41
emulatorloo Nov 2017 #42
R B Garr Nov 2017 #50
still_one Nov 2017 #22
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #25
Skidmore Nov 2017 #34
Owl Nov 2017 #47
FakeNoose Nov 2017 #26
The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #27
brush Nov 2017 #30
Lucky Luciano Nov 2017 #37
emulatorloo Nov 2017 #52
diva77 Nov 2017 #35
GaryCnf Nov 2017 #38
Morris64 Nov 2017 #40
Loyd Nov 2017 #44
Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #45
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #48
lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #57
Wwcd Nov 2017 #49
Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2017 #51
dalton99a Nov 2017 #56

Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 05:50 PM

1. Perhaps we could learn from it.

And better yet, do something about it.

I'm not concerned about how the headline was written. 2018 is coming. Get busy.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 05:52 PM

2. Maybe the approach we've been taking isn't working. How can we get better?

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 05:58 PM

3. Coordinate a message and push it over and over and over.

And make it truthful.

And don't be afraid to support issues that RePutins will vote down. That will make the RePutins look bad, not us.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:16 PM

13. Keep it simple, unfortunately most Americans aren't as obsessed about politics as we are here on DU.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:12 PM

33. Unfortunately?

No, fortunately...

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Response to former9thward (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:45 PM

53. What brought the Democrats to their best yrs was FDR's message that we'd take care of poor people.

Today in America poor people don't look as poor, but they have the same minimal hopes for improving their lives. Few of those people in the 30s voted for Hoover. Why in hell did they vote for trump??

Clearly we missed the message. Candidates who can connect with the downtrodden are going to be winners if you can get the downtrodden and the middles to vote their best interest.

Hate to say it but our leaders in congress are Nancy P, 77, and D Feinstein, 84, not exactly our best voices for the gaining youth vote. Who's poor? Young people! Give them healthcare! Say it's a RIGHT! LEAD!
Quit nibbling away at the edges and dive in!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:06 PM

20. Well said n/t

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:37 PM

28. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:00 PM

5. How about we talk about the real solutions we have for the real problems of ordinary Americans?

I love soaring rhetoric and lofty goals but they come after solving the kitchen table problems of ALL Americans.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:02 PM

7. I agree. And while we're at it let's not label large blocks of voters.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:04 PM

8. Yes Please!

If we donít have solutions for all sorts of Americans then we donít belong in power.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:25 PM

14. This. This is what it's all about. People's everyday lives.

They wake up, get the kids ready for school, get dressed, everybody commutes to work or daycare or school, everybody spends the day working or learnin', everybody gets home in the evening and Mom or Dad rustles something to eat for everyone, hopefully there's some time to watch tv, do the dishes, and go to bed....to do it all again tomorrow.

Mom is underpaid, one of the kids is being bullied, the public school isn't as good as it used to be, Dad may get laid off and has hurt his leg, they don't have squat saved for their senior years, Mom's worried about her mother getting senile.

What they care about is health care, wages, daycare, the public school system, whether there's a park nearby for the family to enjoy without having to spend money or go too far, that utilities don't cost too much, that taxes don't go up, the cost of groceries and household items, that someone's looking out for smog in the air and this climate thing they hear about, public transportation.

What they want to know is...who cares about ordinary Americans like us? Who has our concerns in their thoughts when they pass bills? Who's looking out for us? We work hard, we're productive citizens, we vote. We may not be rich, but we are middle America. We count. Who will protect Social Security for us? Medicare? Our meager retirement accounts? Healthcare? Who will care that our kids deserve a good education if they work hard, even though we're not rich?

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:39 PM

15. BINGO! Forget about Russia. Most voters do not care

only us, the political junkies do.

We have to offer a real choice: secure retirement, good education, preparing for good paying jobs. Not enough to say that mining jobs are gone - offer some hope.

I think that we saw across the board last year and, this year in special elections, that just bashing Trump does not work.

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Response to question everything (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:54 PM

17. You do not know that, you've just heard Republicans say voters don't care about Russia

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And they are just pulling that out of their asses for obvious reasons.

Some Voters do indeed care about Russian interference.

If some voters aren't concerned then it is our responsibility to let them know why foreign interference in our elections are a big deal, not enable Trump cover-up artists.

Additionally you wrote:

"We have to offer a real choice: secure retirement, good education, preparing for good paying jobs. Not enough to say that mining jobs are gone - offer some hope."

That's what we ran on in 2016 and that's why voters most concerned about jobs and the economy voted for the Democratic candidate for president.

"Not enough to say that mining jobs are gone - offer some hope."

We did indeed offer hope: The Democratic candidate had concrete proposals for re-training/ education for coal miners so they could get good jobs in other fields.

The Republican nominee offered false hope, no plans. Additionally he told white people they were victims. Those are what made up the Republican "message" if you can call it that

It is great idea to make our message much stronger and loud and clear.

But let's get our facts straight, don't fall prey to Republican talking points, and not pretend we don't have a message when we do.

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Response to question everything (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:18 PM

24. BS Americans do care about what the Russians did to our country.

I'm sure the GOP/trump and Russians would like that. They continue to push propaganda with the likes of Fox News.

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Response to question everything (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:08 AM

54. Two Things...

1. We must safeguard our election process - that includes the actual voting process, AND it includes anyone from anywhere that seeks to violate the rules for electioneering. No one should get a free pass on violating the FEC - not even Putin.

2. We must start listening to and offering real solutions for the problems of ordinary Americans everywhere. We can do that. We have it in our genes. We have it in our history. There are 50 states, each one of them deserves a Democratic solution to their unique needs. There is no such thing as flyover country anymore.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:01 PM

6. Exactly. It's nice and all

....that the repugs are more unpopular, but what is it that is generating so little enthusiasm for the Democrats? With Trump in the white house our ratings should be sky high. We damn well better figure how to address this.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:05 PM

9. Maybe we are too fractured-it's all about "my" group. Is there one issue we can coalesce around?

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Response to zentrum (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:40 PM

29. Maybe its something to do with our revolution and similar groups

claiming the Democratic party is corrupt.

Maybe its something to do with a popular senator saying both parties are trying to cheat you for their own purposes.

Maybe its all the damn people saying the democratic party doesn't stand for anything when the issue is the democratic party is willing to stand for things even if those things aren't wildly popular.

Maybe its all the people saying the democratic party doesn't have a message... It has a message but the marketing of that message sucks.

Maybe its that all the big money interests have been paying for the brainwashing of the incurious masses for decades.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:53 PM

31. Our Revolution

....is not what's making the Democratic Party ratings be so low. Our Revolution arose out of the problem in the party. It didn't create it.

We've lost over 1000 seats/offices nationwide.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:56 PM

32. yes because too many democratics were willing to complain about other the democratic party and

too unwilling to do the hard work at the grassroots level.

also democrats didn't have big money interests brainwashing the poor white middle class that others are taking advantage of them.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:53 PM

39. Those

....1000 seats have not been lost only since 2016, when Our Revolution, (a grassroots movement if ever there was one) was founded.

DU is not the place to discuss why the party has been steadily losing power for over ten years, with the exception of the WH, and that was because we had a shiningly talented candidate. But we've lost governorships, House members, school boards, state legislators, election after election. It's the party itself that's doing this---not a critical wing of the party.

The tension and split in the party arose to address the issue of continuously waning power. Yes, it's messy but not examining what the deeper problems are is lethal. Are you really recommending that the Dems keep doing more of the same, more of what they've been doing over the last decade? Has it worked so far?

We need tougher, more charismatic, more courageous candidates (Warren, Schiff, Ellison come to mind.)
We need to scream to the rafters louder and louder about voter supression and gerrymandering.
We need much, much better messaging.
We're seen as out of touch, elitist, coastal. Instead of grousing about that, we need to out-wit that perception, address it with new strategies, new outreach.

Etc. For starters.


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Response to zentrum (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:13 PM

43. Exactly! Thank you!

Burying our head in the sand and righteously pretending that our party has been doing just fine will be the death of the Democratic Party.

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Response to denvine (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:28 PM

46. +

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:41 PM

36. I was reading some George Lakoff stuff and none of it made sense

Until I discovered something else he said, "Republicans are business majors and most of have studied some form of marketing research". "Democrats tend to be poly sci and public policy majors and aren't very good at marketing".

Duh...It is so obvious

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:01 AM

55. Lakoff should be teaching every local Democratic Party how to do this.

And he should be offered a seat at DNC HQ.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:00 PM

4. Sixth Party System anybody??

Or would it be the seventh?

Either way, it seems like a major realignment is now pretty much inevitable.

*chaos ahead*

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:11 PM

10. Russia's hard at work continuing to exploit the general stupidity of US humans.

Damn are we doltish, in general. And it's probably going to get worse. And there will be a cost. And we probably won't learn until the bodies really start to stack up. And then it will be too late.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:14 PM

11. You think this is good news?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:15 PM

12. perhaps we can have more positive for Ds "breaking news headline stories" one for each news sourse.

instead of 20 NOT positive for Ds "Breaking news headline stories" filling the front page every day.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:39 PM

16. The Democrats need a new message besides "Trump Sucks"

Amongst other things that need to fix a broken and stale party.

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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:55 PM

18. Lord.


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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:05 PM

19. Just stop w that bullshit. Republican talking point in "progressive" wrapping paper.

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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:07 PM

21. This is also an example of needing a new message.

"Democrats suck" is old and stale.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:16 PM

23. Remember the Bush-era meme "But Democrats have no ideas"? Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

This is just a sorry retread of that idiocy. I used to hear my "liberal" friends regurgitate that one too.

Every 'new idea' mentioned in this thread was part of the 2016 platform, and specific policy plans and how to implement said policies were in HRC's speeches and on her website.

Someone upthread actually repeatec the wingnut talking point that we just told miners their jobs were gone and we 'didn't offer hope'. We had a solid plan for miners of retraining/education for new careers. SMH at all this nonsense.

Am all for Dems strengthening their message. But the idea we have no message is wrong.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:04 PM

41. Dems have great...

...ideas. We just aren't very good at explaining them. Charisma matters in politics. Sad, but true.

I think Warren is fantastic at explaining Dem ideas. Bernie less so, but he speaks with a conviction makes him trustable. Even to Repugs.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:06 PM

42. Similar view here. We needed to be more focused on delivery

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:11 PM

50. Great points. The constant undermining of Democrats and attacks from the left

sound as phony as when the Limbaughs of the world do it. It's usually someone's character they impugn because the ideas are definitely there.

I would like to see Democrats hit back more all the way around, though. Messaging included, yes. This win tonight is a huge win for the naysayers and phony critics -- we have plenty of unity on display.

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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:12 PM

22. Yeah, because the party of the Civil Rights and voting rights act, Medicare, Medicaid,

womenís rights, workerís rights, etc, by rose pesky establishment Democrats who made those thing a reality

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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:31 PM

25. The only ones left repeating that awful talking point of yours cannot and should not be considered..

allies by the Democratic party. "Broken and stale" seems hyperbolic even for the most hardened Dem haters.

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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:17 PM

34. Do you know any

Democrats? If you do you may want to actually talk to them. Not my experience at all.

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Response to romanic (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:48 PM

47. Agreed.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:34 PM

26. My opinion of CNN is at an all-time low

So I guess we're even!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:35 PM

27. This is like he polls about the congress that get 10% approval or some such shit.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:44 PM

30. You'd think they'd have a corresponding poll on the repugs but I guess that would go against their..

anti-Dem agenda.

Let's not fall for such blatant bullshit.

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Response to brush (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:46 PM

37. They did give the corresponding poll for the thugs who had lower approval.

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Though not sure if it is their worst in 25 years.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:30 PM

52. They hit bottom a while ago, not getting better for them.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:25 PM

35. They must be polling people who are stuck listening to wingnut radio or watching faux

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:49 PM

38. We are whistling past the graveyard.

 

We can blame whatever and whomever we want but the fact is that our strategy of catering to middle of the road voters has been a failure since it started in 1992. What's tragic is that it cost us an election in which we had the most progressive platform in history and a candidate who COULD have credibly run on it, Hillary Clinton.

The party dogma that elections are won in the middle is not true and never has been. Many Democrats claim that it was Bill Clinton's attention to moderate voters which brought us victory in 1992. It was not. In fact, it was a right wing third party candidate siphoning off GOP voters.

In 1992, Perot funneled off:

12% of the GOP vote in Louisiana
13% of the GOP vote in Georgia
10% of the GOP vote in Tennessee
21% of the GOP vote in Missouri
13% of the GOP vote in Kentucky
15% of the GOP vote in West Virginia
18% of the GOP vote in Iowa
the GOP vote in Minnesota
21% of the GOP vote in Wisconsin
19% of the GOP vote in Michigan
20% of the GOP vote in Ohio

(Aside: Curiously, Jill Stein's 2% takes the blame for our 2016 loss - as opposed to the abject failure of the "play to the middle" strategy to EVER pull majorities in key battleground states - whereas Perot's 1000% better performance is overlooked in the haste to proclaim the political "brilliance" of the 1992 campaign.)

The FACT is that Bill Clinton won ONLY because the GOP could not keep Ross Perot in the fold. Our refusal to admit that fact and instead continue the "play to the middle" strategy has put us in the pit we are in now.

I am glad that Perot gave us those elections, BUT to credit a campaign that would have failed if not for Perot is simply denial.

It is especially tragic this time. We had a brilliant platform and an eminently credible candidate. Unfortunately, our national campaign continued the to follow "play to the middle" playbook. Deny it all you want, but here are the campaign's ads:

http://www.p2016.org/adsg/adsgeneral.html

Count the number of ads standing up for Michael Brown, or even Black Lives Matter. Count the ads standing up for the millions of undocumented workers who have not reached the kind of heights that makes them palatable to middle of the road voters. Count the ads saying something that has even the slightest chance of offending those middle of the road voters that party leaders have incorrectly deemed "essential" to victory since 1992.

You won't find many.

We are the party of the oppressed. We have a platform which vows to fight for the oppressed. What's more, the oppressed far outnumber the privileged.

Our campaigns and our candidates need to reflect it.

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Response to GaryCnf (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 08:54 PM

40. Smart post nt

 

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:23 PM

44. Tell it to Ed Gillespie!

 

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:26 PM

45. CNN having a sad! Woohoo DEMS 4TW!

 

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 09:51 PM

48. Republicons in much worse situation: 29% In Sept down from 42% in March. Do not panic

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:20 AM

57. Right - the headline is deliberately burying the main story!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:04 PM

49. CNN needs to fire their pollster. After VA & NJ Wins tonite

 

Democrats win Virginia and New Jersey governor's races

Michael Catalani
Associated Press

Democrat Phil Murphy defeated Republican Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno on Tuesday in the New Jersey race to succeed term-limited Gov. Chris Christie,

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-reg-dems-win-gov-races-20171107-story,amp.html

😎

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:07 PM

51. I agree... that was a shitty headline. Republicans are still less favorable than Dems. n/t

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Response to lagomorph777 (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:18 AM

56. Complete utter bullshit.

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