NBC Fires Matt Lauer Over Misconduct Allegations
Source: NY Times
NBC has fired its leading morning news anchor Matt Lauer over sexual harassment allegations, the networks president for news said in a memo to staff on Wednesday.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html
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On Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer, Andrew Lack, the NBC News president, said in the memo.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
(Granted, that news WAS unexpected.)
wolfie001
(2,204 posts)Two pigs in a poke! Truly sickening!
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)I don't know if they still golf together, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Now we just need somebody to leak the slush fund payouts from Congress
oberliner
(58,724 posts)At least we our finally facing up to it as a society.
BumRushDaShow
(128,487 posts)It has been going on for decades.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,487 posts)"decades" in the case of "modern" women being in a "workplace" with men, which was rare until the recently. OTOH, "patrimony" has been around for most of the existence of humanity.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,652 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)these big name people getting nailed is going to help the girl at McDonald's who wants extra shifts to buy her prom dress and wont get them from her manager unless she blows him. This problem is so old, so pervasive and so insidious.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Perhaps the high-profile women who are speaking out will encourage other not-so-high profile folks to do the same. I certainly hope so, at least. Also, perhaps more companies like McDonalds will take complaints more seriously.
wolfie001
(2,204 posts)There is one at my work. I used it to report an abusive, hectoring boss (not a sex-based situation). Very important to document ALL abuse.
extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)It works with young women out on their own too. She gets a job in a new city, moves there, rents an apartment, knows nobody, needs the job, and begins work. After a few weeks the boss informs her about a motel down the street, and that they will be meeting there to discuss her "performance" - if not, she is fired or has no future at the company. For every woman that says stick it and leaves there is one that feels trapped and has nowhere to go. Welcome to the non-union, no contract, at-will employment model. Employees have nothing to protect themselves from asswipe bosses that take advantage of their power. It goes all the way up to two scoops himself. He can even grab them by the pussy.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for so many. It seems far too many humans can't be trusted to hold power and use it responsibly.
DBoon
(22,340 posts)and why checks and balances must exist
Unfortunately, restricting the power of private sector bosses is seen as unamerican
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)the car factory I worked at back in the 70s..After a few days, when the company refused to fire the foreman, the plant walked out for 3 days. He was fired.
Of corse that was back when we had Unions.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)has wrought so many problems from this kind of crap to lousy pay, dropped benefits, etc.
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)and it became a right-to-work state. I had to move back to help turn that around by making Michigan the first Right-To-Vote state.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)Unions YES.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)How far down the ladder of labor strata will this go? I've never worked anything but "Blue Collar" jobs - and this sorta abuse was just an accepted part of each day. If the abused - or even a witness - were to speak to a higher plane about it, that person was setting themselves up to be let go. So it'll be interesting to see just how deep this drive permeates.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)but I think the next person who should be fired is
TRUMP!!! we have 16 women as evidence. PERIOD.
2018 may be the year of the Woman..............
ananda
(28,835 posts)nt
I'm gobsmacked that Lauer has been fired. I thought he was bullet-proof. Of course, apparently so did he.....
Judi Lynn
(160,450 posts)They were still reacting to it when I decided to check to see if anyone here had heard it yet. Congrats!
I gather from what the people on Morning Joe said, they were all stunned.
He did seem a lot like a fixture at NBC to me, for sure. He had some very big interviews over the years.
Thanks for catching the info. so fast. Great work.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)a little bit.
Judi Lynn
(160,450 posts)Looks like the struggle for power and recognition strips away everything meaningful in impure people, for sure.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)if it takes a financial threat or jailing or anything in between its a success story to me.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)The Commander in Chief "forum". He had a chance to stop that monster then by just doing his job, and he failed miserably.
sadiegirl
(138 posts)But be careful about the backlash. The first powerful man who steps out and admits to promoting or hiring some well-known woman because of sexual favors is going to blow up the entire American workforce. With all the revelations it's really scary that many well-qualified women may be turned down for good jobs now for fear of women in the workplace.
How many Congressional staff will be all men now? It's already bought on women to get good jobs. I fear the use of these revelations now will make it more difficult for them.
Perhaps now, there will be enough charges brought out about Trump that we may be able to finally get him out of office since so many other men are being fired for the same or even less harassment behavior. We can only hope.
Sadiegirl's concern about 100% male staffs in Congress is not far fetched.
It may be the only real defensive action some of these Congress-critters could take to protect themselves.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)the real solution is to make Congress reflect who is American. America isn't 90% middle aged white males.
Vote.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)I agree with your last comment. Hmm....more women will campaigning for office, as they should. Enough is enough.
melm00se
(4,986 posts)will react with single sex staffs.
If nothing else to avoid accusations.
Politics is a dirty business and political opponents (regardless of ideology) will rarely (if ever) allow opportunities to damage their opponents pass.
Mosby
(16,259 posts)Gender cannot be a hiring criteria, period.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)klook
(12,152 posts)The only real answer is to create firm policies with clear repercussions, and enforce them. It will take a while to turn this culture around, but it's got to happen.
Polly Hennessey
(6,788 posts)I can feel the backlash creeping forward. It will take just one to be found lying to overturn the forward progress. Now each day we wake to Trumps Tweets and another powerful man found to be a sexual harasser or assaulter.
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)infullview
(978 posts)I just hope NBC did a thorough vetting before they jettisoned Matt. How do we know this wasn't some coworker interested in filling his position at the show? Before you ask, yes, I've been a victim of this kind of reverse sexual harassment where there was no truth and lies were weaponized.
I keep very neutral in work place politics and social interactions to the point that I don't make any close associations. It's the only way to protect yourself, but it doesn't help when promotions are handed out.
LexVegas
(6,031 posts)infullview
(978 posts)I hope it never happens to you.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)It will be filed in the appropriate place.
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)As a man, I don't do that shit. Ever.
But what is to stop someone from accusing me of such, falsely?
In our culture, in fact in our 'justice' system, the assumption is still innocent until proven guilty.
So, no, it isn't the equivalent of 'reverse racism.' That was an unfortunate term.
I'm not a thumper, but the Bible puts it better: Don't bear false witness against your neighbor.
In an age of equality, I'll remind you that as with men, some women are so great they walk on water. Others are complete psychotic dirt bags. That's the continuum, Lex, and everyone, I mean everyone, falls somewhere in between.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)... common factor in all these harassment claims were people are fired quick; there's some hard evidence and its coming from the people fired.
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)You can be sure that NBC knew what they were doing. There had to be a confrontation with Lauer (probably with his agent and/or lawyer present). The evidence of his behavior must be unimpeachable because the firing is so quick and public.
In past examples, the individual would be suspended during an inquiry. Following that report, the individual would either be reinstated, reassigned or let go. An example of this is what happened to Brian Williams who eventually returned to broadcasting but at the lower-profile of cable news. In fact, this is also what happened at Fox News.
In the event that Lauer is innocent of the charges, I expect we'd see a counter-statement from him followed by a lawsuit or three.
The fact that Lauer is so well-known means that NBC must have made its decision by choosing the least damaging course.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Maybe there's an audio or video tape of something, since that's a television station. Harassers and criminals tend to get sloppy over the years, as each year passes and they don't get caught.
He was THE guy on their highly rated morning show. NBC didn't want to fire him. So they had no choice. The evidence was conclusive and bad.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)as to reverse discrimination, it flat out does not exist. My white male privilege worked for me my entire life and I was not even aware of it until just a few years ago. I just knew I was always going to get most of the jobs and positions I was interviewing for if I were up against women/PoC.
I know now that I am more likely to get fair hearing of my complaint/concerns, particularly since my hair turned white, which happened at forty or so. If we males get some "reverse", well its something we will need to tolerate as the nation finally transitions into much fairer and more inclusive place.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's not that white men get jobs and promotions they aren't qualified for. It's that there's a one-up for them, in a competition setup. And when they get it, they get more money. Not always. But generally. That was my observation over decades of working.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)the bringing up more like us with has changed some in the last twenty or so years but still needs a lot more efforts. But the money thing still exists in a country where the discussion on wages starts a 'minimum wage' and not a 'living wage', let alone a fair and equal wage.
White males have their own affirmative action, too. Not only do bosses have managers beneath them who look just like them, but it exists in private schools like Yale and Harvard which have highly publicized minority affirmative action programs. That's how D average students like George W. Bush gets into Yale, a school where stringent academic standards keep bright and prepared students out. Its called a "legacy enrollment" - W's dad and brother went (and did very well) and so does W, who will not release his grades. I understand they were C's.
We need to keep up the fight and make inclusiveness so natural its understood and not mandated.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Yikes! What's a customer to do? If I go into a jewelry store, what with all the reports by jewelers of thefts, they might allege that I tried to rob them, too!
That's silly. All we have to do is....not try to rob or steal a jewelry store. If we don't, there's no reason anyone would try to claim that we did.
Same thing. No one's after you, dude. (If YOU are not after anyone else.)
BumRushDaShow
(128,487 posts)who, using your analogy, get followed around quite in stores because POC are considered to be big shoplifters due to "profiling".
Every single time I walk in ANY store, I must be careful of how I move and operate in that store including going into my pocketbook to get a list or other object because God forbid, I might have stuffed something in there.
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)He broke NBC rules. Rule violations are easier to prove. Something like, don't meet with subordinate after hours or use company cell phones only when communicating with subordinates, don't interview job applicants outside if NBC offices, etc. (these are examples; I do not know NBC's actual rules).
I believe they must have had a solid case to fire someone that powerful. The breach of contract/wrongful termination case would be extremely expensive if they did not have solid evidence.
I don't know you, obviously, but I doubt you have access to the same type of lawyers Matt has. And yes, it is frightening that a less powerful person can be wrongfully accused. If there are rules in the workplace, the rules protect the accused as well.
wishstar
(5,268 posts)The morning hosts on MSNBC have repeatedly stated that he was the most powerful anchor at NBC
djg21
(1,803 posts)I have no idea what the allegations against Lauer are, or if they can be substantiated, but claims of sexual harassment in the workplace can easily be contrived, and given the seeming desire to protect victims, alleged harassers generally are not provided an opportunity to confront the charges or their accusers in any meaningful way.
The presumption right now is that allegations of harassment always should be credited, and at best, an internal workplace investigation can only result in a finding that the charges cannot be corroborated (not that they are false). This is the trend both in the workplace and in universities where sexual misconduct is alleged.
This troubles me greatly. I have defended numerous Title VII actions where charges of harassment were made up by the victim to secure some advantage at the workplace, or because a fully consensual relationship (a bad idea but not necessarily unlawful) went south, or the victim just had an axe to grind or was looking for a windfall. Typically, these cases settle before trial if they cannot be won by the defendant on motion because juries are wild cards.
Often times, the victims spin the most innocuous of interactions as evidence of a hostile work environment. We all know that women are often subject to sexual harassment at the workplace. But the ones who sue often aren't the ones actually being harassed.
AwakeAtLast
(14,123 posts)That would be why they went straight to firing.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)dsc
(52,152 posts)and how utterly unfair he was at it. Yet another sexist pig who has a big media position in 2016. At what point are we going to understand that Clinton lost almost entirely because the media was at best OK with sexists and at worst a bunch of sexists.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Now I remember why I don't like him. Posted below before I read your post.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)That was just one example.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)might be coming and involving someone on MSNBC. But Lauer is at NBC?
JenniferJuniper
(4,507 posts)I'm not sure he said they'd all be MSNBC, but NBC is pretty darn close.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Samantha Guthrie "left" MSNBC to work at NBC, but she just changed shows. Same company.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)..with Samantha Guthrie on YouTube Monday night and said to the hubs, "there's something about that guy I don't like." I swear I did.
If I remember correctly, I've heard him make some sympathic remarks about wingers in the past; so, I think that was it.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)Because he is a jerk.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I've never heard anything about sexual harassment about him, but unlike his coworkers who said they thought they knew what kind of guy they knew and worked with for years....I thought I, too, could tell what kind of man he was, and I'm NOT surprised that he has a dark, skanky side.
I read reports of how he'd treated Ann Curry. He was mean to her, didn't want her working there, and eventually got rid of her. Yes, smiling, jovial Matt Lauer used his power on the set to get rid of someone he didn't think was good enough for him to work with and that he just didn't like. From what I read, she had done nothing to deserve that treatment. She was pleasant, showed up on time, was professional.
So I'm not surprised. And glad to see him gone.
Siwsan
(26,250 posts)And since sexual harassment is one of the more toxic forms of bullying, so this surprises me, not one bit.
bucolic_frolic
(43,058 posts)Looks like there will be some job openings as corporate America cleans house
Cattledog
(5,910 posts)it shows his disdain for strong women.
still_one
(92,061 posts)He should have been fired for that disgraceful interview, and not only wasn't he NOT fired for that, but the head of NBC Andrew Lack praised Lauer for that detestable interview
FakeNoose
(32,587 posts)Andrew Lack probably TOLD Matt Lauer to treat Hillary in such a manner.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Andrew Lack is an asshole, he didn't tell Lauer to NOT give Hillary a chance to answer a question, that was all Lauer.
Lack defended Lauer's interview after it was widely criticised the next day for the unbalanced way it was conducted, this was pure Matt Lauer.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)hibbing
(10,095 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,487 posts)his work is done and he gets jettisoned to be replaced by another willing tool.
still_one
(92,061 posts)He treated Hillary with the upmost disrespect, and kept interrupting her so she could finish answering a question.
I hope he is unable to work again in the news business, though I wouldn't be surprised is fox wants him
https://www.vogue.com/article/matt-lauer-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-commander-in-chief-forum
FakeNoose
(32,587 posts)Let's face it, Lauer was never much of a journalist, he's really just a guy who reads the cue cards. Somebody writes the news stories for him and the NBC news directors decide what stories go on the air. As far as his disgraceful job during the debates, it just cemented in my mind the fact that he's not a reporter.
Somebody higher up at NBC made him do that. Who was it, maybe his boss Andrew Lack (who's also a right-wing tool)?
Inquiring minds want to know.
still_one
(92,061 posts)answer the question, and that is all Lauer was doing was interrupting Hillary
The contrast that where he let trump practically run the interview only re-enforces his sexism, and his political bias
FakeNoose
(32,587 posts)He only reads the cue cards while somebody else decides what news stories get on the air.
He's good at celebrity interviews but breaking news stories were never his thing.
I believe Andrew Lack (a right-wing tool) told Lauer to do that, and Lauer did as he was told.
That's why Lack praised him so highly after it was over. Yes I agree, it was disgraceful.
riversedge
(70,085 posts)How Many Times Will Hillary Clinton Be Interrupted? #LaueringTheBar
https://www.vogue.com/article/matt-lauer-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-commander-in-chief-forum
September 8, 2016 1:58 PM
by Patricia Garcia
https://assets.vogue.com/photos/5891c068b42132395f40226d/master/w_780,c_limit/00-holding-matt-lauer%E2%80%99s-interview-with-clinton.jpg
Lauer / Clinton
Photo: Getty Images
To put it mildly, Matt Lauers performance during Wednesday nights Commander-in-Chief Forum on NBC has drawn mixed reviews. (The hashtag #LaueringTheBar started trending on Twitter this afternoon.) Critics took issue with what seemed softball questions for Donald Trump, and Lauers seeming unwillingness to fact-check several false statements made by the Republican candidate. But to many female viewers, something else leaped out: Lauer constantly interrupted Hillary Clinton throughout their exchange.
Early on, while describing attributes the leader of the United States should have, Clinton stressed: What you want in a president, a commander in chief, is someone who listens, who evaluates what is being told to him or her, who is able to sort out the very difficult options being presented . . . Lauer quickly interjected: Youre talking about judgment. Clinton finished her sentence.
Later, Lauer continued to speak over or rush Clinton for time. When she was delivering a detailed explanation of the Iran nuclear deal, Lauer wanted to cut her short again, but Clinton pushed back. Look, this is an important issue, I know we dont have a lot of time, but I will talk quickly. She smiled before finishing her point, no doubt to stave off accusations of being aggressive...........................
Jules Hey
(39 posts)NOW BRING BACK ANN CURRY!!!
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)His creepy affinity for dressing in drag on their Halloween specials.
I never liked his arrogance and narcissistic behavior. But after what he did to Ann Curry, those feelings were amplified. That is pretty much when I stopped watching the Today Show.
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)underpants
(182,623 posts)This embarrassing day
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)marble falls
(57,013 posts)FakeNoose
(32,587 posts)Matt Lauer is (or was) very jealous of his status as the highest paid male on-air talent at NBC. So Megyn Kelly's new contract was probably a threat to him and it would have ruffled his feathers. He showed the same type of anger/resentment towards other women of high status in the past. Whatever this new allegation is about, his alleged sexual misconduct would never be towards a high-status woman like Kelly who could easily burn him. I guess we're all waiting to hear the juicy details now. In the meantime people are speculating about his marriage too, which almost broke up a year ago. Rumors were flying that he was about to be divorced by his wife, but then they reconciled last year. What was going on there and was it related to this?
marble falls
(57,013 posts)that seeks to project power through a range of behaviors including sexism as well as sexual behavior.
The juicy details almost always stack up as pathetic as well as sordid. I could do without it but I also recognize that some men just might identify the behaviors in themselves and make appropriate adjustments.
still_one
(92,061 posts)dalton99a
(81,404 posts)Loryn
(943 posts)Ann Curry must be smiling.
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)What he did to Ann Curry was terrible, and his treatment of Hillary was also horrible.
He is a huge misogynist, and was given huge raise and promotion after he terrorized and blackballed Curry.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 29, 2017, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)During the Abramoff scandal, Couric tried to push Howard Dean into admitting that the Abramoff scandal was not just about Republican politicians taking money from Jack Abamoff, but also Democratic politicians taking money from him, too. Of course, Howard Dean did not budge from asserting the true position that it was a Republican-only scandal. Afterwards, Lauer made remarks which suggested a false equivalence between the two parties in the scandal. I was so upset about Couric and Lauer that I sent an email to NBC to complain about their reporting in that matter.
From https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2006/01/27/today-issued-non-correction-to-couric-falsehood/134728 :
underpants
(182,623 posts)Hillary's 30 minute townhall during the campaign was dominated with Lauer asking questions about the emails.
Suck it Lauer.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)for Trump's tee ball interview. Didn't rise to the level of softball.
underpants
(182,623 posts)Joe Nation
(962 posts)He can go work for Fox for all I care.
dlk
(11,514 posts)Email! Benghazi! Charitable Foundation! Now we have Trump.
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)It has been obvious for a long time that he's a worthless piece of shit with no journalistic integrity. It isn't surprising that he has no other kind of integrity either. Good riddance. I hope we never have to see him on any news program again.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Paladin
(28,243 posts)I've been hoping that bad fortune would befall him, ever since the unspeakable way he handled his discussions with Hillary during the 2016 presidential campaign.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)NBC must have him dead to rights to act so quickly.
Im sure more details will be forthcoming.
There are countless millions of men who would never, ever act in an inappropriate way towards women and others, sexually. Apparently, Lauer is not one of them.
I am not at all sorry he was fired but my crap feelings about him havent been based on sexual creepiness, but more his arrogance and self importance. (However, his treatment of Hillary in that patronizing interview is now much more understandable)
Power and money DO have a huge influence on how the men that feel sexual harassment is a gendered entitlement behave. The high profile ones will obviously be the most talked about before society in general combats this shameful behavior.
Those men/boys who DO abuse and harass women and the vulnerable are part of a long standing, generational gender-based societal epidemic.
What is happening now is long overdue. Painfully so. Firstly and especially for the victims and those who have struggled so hard and long against the personal attacks...and also for men who would never behave so hideously having to be on guard.
Expect more. Expect surprises. Expect some collateral damage. Expect guilty bastards to finally be exposed. And expect change, which is never easy, but welcomed.
Its been an ugly societal secret long enough. Wayyyy long.
Lauer is another rung up in that ladder to get to the top of the pile of bigger, twisted, entitled assholes. (We, and they, know who they are)
TexasBushwhacker
(20,144 posts)She filed in 2006 when she was pregnant with their 3rd child. They reconciled "for the kids" but they have a weekend marriage. She lives with their children in The Hamptons and he lives in Manhattan during the week.
librechik
(30,673 posts)Wish I had posted my "Lauer's Next" thread last weekend like I wanted!
brooklynite
(94,356 posts)As the co-host of NBCs Today, Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.
On another day, he summoned a different female employee to his office, and then dropped his pants, showing her his penis. After the employee declined to do anything, visibly shaken, he reprimanded her for not engaging in a sexual act.
He would sometimes quiz female producers about who theyd slept with, offering to trade names. And he loved to engage in a crass quiz game with men and women in the office: fuck, marry or kill, in which he would identify the female co-hosts that hed most like to sleep with.
These accounts of Lauers behavior at NBC are the result of a two-month investigation by Variety, with dozens of interviews with current and former staffers. Variety has talked to three women who identified themselves as victims of sexual harassment by Lauer, and their stories have been corroborated by friends or colleagues that they told at the time. They have asked for now to remain unnamed, fearing professional repercussions.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)onetexan
(13,020 posts)i've not gotten over when Ann Curry was kicked out of the Today show because of him, and i've not gotten over how he fired ridiculous questions at Hillary during the election debate. Hate his smug face and snotty act. He dropped out of college and later managed to convince his alma mater to give him his diploma due to his work experience. If he won any journalism awards i hope those are all revoked. There are many rumors he slept with many of the women he worked with including Savannah Guthrie and Natalie Morales. I don't doubt that's how he convinced NBC execs to replace Ann with talentless Savannah.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/29/16714688/matt-lauer-today-show-ann-curry