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Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:13 AM Nov 2017

NBC Fires Matt Lauer Over Misconduct Allegations

Source: NY Times

NBC has fired its leading morning news anchor Matt Lauer over sexual harassment allegations, the network’s president for news said in a memo to staff on Wednesday.





Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html



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NBC has fired its leading morning news anchor Matt Lauer over sexual harassment allegations, the network’s president for news said in a memo to staff on Wednesday.

“On Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” Andrew Lack, the NBC News president, said in the memo.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html
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NBC Fires Matt Lauer Over Misconduct Allegations (Original Post) Yavin4 Nov 2017 OP
Limbaugh's golf buddy got canned for sexual harassment? GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #1
He golfs with that pig? wolfie001 Nov 2017 #17
Supposedly they went on a golf vacation to Ireland a dozen or so years ago. GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #23
Only half joking: I'd fire him just for that alone. marble falls Nov 2017 #24
and another one bites the dust, another one bites the dust snooper2 Nov 2017 #92
The pervasiveness of this problem cannot be understated oberliner Nov 2017 #2
THIS BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #7
Millennia Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #26
Yes but BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #50
True Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #82
And I'm not sure how much leftynyc Nov 2017 #8
Maybe it will help a little oberliner Nov 2017 #10
I'm sure McDonalds has an anonymous tip line wolfie001 Nov 2017 #14
So true extvbroadcaster Nov 2017 #20
Every word you typed is the sad reality leftynyc Nov 2017 #84
this is why power must be accountable DBoon Nov 2017 #103
Some thing like that happened at safeinOhio Nov 2017 #100
The decline of unions leftynyc Nov 2017 #102
I moved away from Michigan 10 years ago safeinOhio Nov 2017 #105
You're my hero n/t leftynyc Nov 2017 #106
Wow.. That's a great example of solidarity.. whathehell Nov 2017 #114
What we're seeing is just the tiniest tip of the iceberg Plucketeer Nov 2017 #98
Not to be funny bdamomma Nov 2017 #3
Indeed! In fact, 45 should have been fired long ago! ananda Nov 2017 #64
wow Boomer Nov 2017 #4
Fast work, Yavin4! I just heard them break the story on MSNBC! Judi Lynn Nov 2017 #5
Shocked but glad it went that quickly. Maybe some lotharios will begin to rethink their privileges.. marble falls Nov 2017 #27
It may take even longer than the rest of their natural lives to learn to feel respect for others. Judi Lynn Nov 2017 #39
Maye they can't change their dismal thoughts but they can check their baser impulses.... marble falls Nov 2017 #44
He utterly failed his biggest interview in his career exboyfil Nov 2017 #62
Time to clean up the workplace. sadiegirl Nov 2017 #6
This melm00se Nov 2017 #9
If those Congressmen have nothing to hide it should help get more women on staff.... marble falls Nov 2017 #30
yes indeed bdamomma Nov 2017 #71
Even the innocent melm00se Nov 2017 #94
That's not legal. Mosby Nov 2017 #99
+1, set the standard now !!! uponit7771 Nov 2017 #13
Men sexually harass men, too. klook Nov 2017 #70
This is my concern, too. Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #79
+1000 jcmaine72 Nov 2017 #104
This is very scary stuff infullview Nov 2017 #11
"reverse sexual harassment"...kinda like "reverse racism" huh? LexVegas Nov 2017 #12
Make all the jokes you want infullview Nov 2017 #18
Thank you for your "concern" Tarc Nov 2017 #25
I hear what you're saying, but here's the thing. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #78
They'd be REALLY stupid to fire him if there wasn't something he already admitted to. That's another uponit7771 Nov 2017 #15
Lauer's firing is very high-profile PJMcK Nov 2017 #31
Oh, pleeeez. NBC got the info Monday...fired his a__ on Tuesday. It was a sure thing. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #32
I was accused of that, too. And the process worked. If you do nothing, fear nothing..... marble falls Nov 2017 #35
Thanks for admitting what you recognized. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #49
We always ALWAYS get more money and we tend to bring up more like us up with us .... marble falls Nov 2017 #66
That's like saying reports of thefts makes it scary for me to walk into a jewelry store! Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #36
Except your argument doesn't work when it comes to POC BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #90
Shoo obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #56
NBC was clear MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #68
They would not have let him go without an admission of guilt or incontrovertible evidence wishstar Nov 2017 #80
This troubles me too. djg21 Nov 2017 #96
Couric Mosby Nov 2017 #101
I will bet my lunch it's recorded AwakeAtLast Nov 2017 #108
He has acknowledged what he did wrong and isn't fighting it. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #115
Remember the forum he hosted with Trump and Clinton dsc Nov 2017 #16
You're right. Duppers Nov 2017 #22
He's always been an enormous jackhole. Dave Starsky Nov 2017 #86
I read on DU that Keith Olbermann suggested that another sex scandle BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #19
I think he said there would be three major names? JenniferJuniper Nov 2017 #34
Same company. Willie Geist works for the co. He works on both MSNBC & NBC shows. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #37
Just watched him officiating the Thx-giving parade.. Duppers Nov 2017 #21
Me, too. I've never liked the guy. I didn't hate him. But ..... nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #29
He treated Ann Curry horribly -- and basically ruined her career obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #60
+ 1,000 greatauntoftriplets Nov 2017 #89
I'm NOT surprised. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #28
I've always caught a 'bully' vibe, off of him. Even before the Ann Curry incident Siwsan Nov 2017 #33
Couldn't stand to watch the man bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #38
Now the Hillary interview where he treated her much more harshly than Trump is clearer... Cattledog Nov 2017 #40
It sure does bring things to light. He constantly interrupted her before she could answer. still_one Nov 2017 #43
That's because his boss is a right-wing tool FakeNoose Nov 2017 #73
Lack is a sexist pig. The way he back-stabbed and treated Ann Curry is part of his profile. While still_one Nov 2017 #75
Lauer played a pivotal role in the narrative dalton99a Nov 2017 #54
ahh yes, the emails hibbing Nov 2017 #88
And now that he helped Putin-GOP get their "Mission Accomplished" BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #91
This asshole should have been fired after his disgraceful interview with Hillary verses trump. still_one Nov 2017 #41
I thought he was told to do that in the debate FakeNoose Nov 2017 #72
That is bullshit. No one tells an interviewer to not give the person he is interviewing a chance to still_one Nov 2017 #74
Lauer was never a journalist FakeNoose Nov 2017 #76
#LaueringTheBar --AH YES, now I remember that debate. thanks for the link. riversedge Nov 2017 #81
Good! Long Overdue! Jules Hey Nov 2017 #42
It always disturbed me... Sophiegirl Nov 2017 #45
GREAT!! A little Ann Curry karma is a biotch. ATL Ebony Nov 2017 #46
I'll never forget her on the USS Abraham Lincoln leading a USA! USA! cheer underpants Nov 2017 #55
I'll never forget the embarrassment and painful day caused by Lauer-- couldn't happen to a nicer guy ATL Ebony Nov 2017 #69
It has been reported he's been after Megyn Kelly to be fired. marble falls Nov 2017 #47
If that's true, it doesn't mean sexual misconduct FakeNoose Nov 2017 #67
I wasn't meaning to suggest a sexual aspect, but that it spoke to a superior self image .... marble falls Nov 2017 #93
Now the question is why aren't trump's inappropriate sexual encouters being exposed? still_one Nov 2017 #48
Absolutely. dalton99a Nov 2017 #57
Ta ta creeper! Loryn Nov 2017 #51
They should make him cry on live TV like they did to Ann Curry dalton99a Nov 2017 #52
Exactly what I was thinking! obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #61
FINALLY! It should have happened years ago obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #53
Anyone know why he disliked Ann Curry so much? whathehell Nov 2017 #112
In 2006, I emailed NBC about Lauer and Couric claiming that Abramoff gave money to the Dems, too. John1956PA Nov 2017 #58
Gee Matt was the info sent in an EMAIL??? underpants Nov 2017 #59
And setting the ball on the tee exboyfil Nov 2017 #63
Yeah underpants Nov 2017 #65
My heart goes out to his victim(s) Joe Nation Nov 2017 #77
Lauer Firing Shown How Misogyny led to the 2016 Presidential Campaign Results dlk Nov 2017 #83
Poor little Matt. . . . . BigDemVoter Nov 2017 #85
The accusations must be solid. Good riddance. Glimmer of Hope Nov 2017 #87
To hell with him. Good riddance. Paladin Nov 2017 #95
No surprise here. I havent liked him for a long time but... Guilded Lilly Nov 2017 #97
I wonder if his wife will finally divorce him TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #107
Saw this coming way down Broadway. Garrison Keillor too. librechik Nov 2017 #109
UPDATE-Matt Lauer Accused of Sexual Harassment by Multiple Women (EXCLUSIVE) brooklynite Nov 2017 #110
Ewww....A true scumbag. whathehell Nov 2017 #113
finally the SOB got what he deserves onetexan Nov 2017 #111

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
1. Limbaugh's golf buddy got canned for sexual harassment?
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:17 AM
Nov 2017

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

(Granted, that news WAS unexpected.)

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
23. Supposedly they went on a golf vacation to Ireland a dozen or so years ago.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:55 AM
Nov 2017

I don't know if they still golf together, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
92. and another one bites the dust, another one bites the dust
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:43 AM
Nov 2017

Now we just need somebody to leak the slush fund payouts from Congress

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. The pervasiveness of this problem cannot be understated
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:20 AM
Nov 2017

At least we our finally facing up to it as a society.

BumRushDaShow

(128,487 posts)
50. Yes but
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:36 AM
Nov 2017

"decades" in the case of "modern" women being in a "workplace" with men, which was rare until the recently. OTOH, "patrimony" has been around for most of the existence of humanity.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. And I'm not sure how much
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:31 AM
Nov 2017

these big name people getting nailed is going to help the girl at McDonald's who wants extra shifts to buy her prom dress and wont get them from her manager unless she blows him. This problem is so old, so pervasive and so insidious.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Maybe it will help a little
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:36 AM
Nov 2017

Perhaps the high-profile women who are speaking out will encourage other not-so-high profile folks to do the same. I certainly hope so, at least. Also, perhaps more companies like McDonalds will take complaints more seriously.

wolfie001

(2,204 posts)
14. I'm sure McDonalds has an anonymous tip line
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:44 AM
Nov 2017

There is one at my work. I used it to report an abusive, hectoring boss (not a sex-based situation). Very important to document ALL abuse.

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
20. So true
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:51 AM
Nov 2017

It works with young women out on their own too. She gets a job in a new city, moves there, rents an apartment, knows nobody, needs the job, and begins work. After a few weeks the boss informs her about a motel down the street, and that they will be meeting there to discuss her "performance" - if not, she is fired or has no future at the company. For every woman that says stick it and leaves there is one that feels trapped and has nowhere to go. Welcome to the non-union, no contract, at-will employment model. Employees have nothing to protect themselves from asswipe bosses that take advantage of their power. It goes all the way up to two scoops himself. He can even grab them by the pussy.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
84. Every word you typed is the sad reality
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:40 AM
Nov 2017

for so many. It seems far too many humans can't be trusted to hold power and use it responsibly.

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
103. this is why power must be accountable
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:42 PM
Nov 2017

and why checks and balances must exist

Unfortunately, restricting the power of private sector bosses is seen as unamerican

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
100. Some thing like that happened at
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:23 PM
Nov 2017

the car factory I worked at back in the 70s..After a few days, when the company refused to fire the foreman, the plant walked out for 3 days. He was fired.

Of corse that was back when we had Unions.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
102. The decline of unions
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:34 PM
Nov 2017

has wrought so many problems from this kind of crap to lousy pay, dropped benefits, etc.

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
105. I moved away from Michigan 10 years ago
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:48 PM
Nov 2017

and it became a right-to-work state. I had to move back to help turn that around by making Michigan the first Right-To-Vote state.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
98. What we're seeing is just the tiniest tip of the iceberg
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 01:06 PM
Nov 2017

How far down the ladder of labor strata will this go? I've never worked anything but "Blue Collar" jobs - and this sorta abuse was just an accepted part of each day. If the abused - or even a witness - were to speak to a higher plane about it, that person was setting themselves up to be let go. So it'll be interesting to see just how deep this drive permeates.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
3. Not to be funny
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:25 AM
Nov 2017

but I think the next person who should be fired is

TRUMP!!! we have 16 women as evidence. PERIOD.

2018 may be the year of the Woman..............

Boomer

(4,167 posts)
4. wow
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:25 AM
Nov 2017

I'm gobsmacked that Lauer has been fired. I thought he was bullet-proof. Of course, apparently so did he.....

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
5. Fast work, Yavin4! I just heard them break the story on MSNBC!
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:25 AM
Nov 2017

They were still reacting to it when I decided to check to see if anyone here had heard it yet. Congrats!

I gather from what the people on Morning Joe said, they were all stunned.

He did seem a lot like a fixture at NBC to me, for sure. He had some very big interviews over the years.

Thanks for catching the info. so fast. Great work.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
27. Shocked but glad it went that quickly. Maybe some lotharios will begin to rethink their privileges..
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:59 AM
Nov 2017

a little bit.

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
39. It may take even longer than the rest of their natural lives to learn to feel respect for others.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:21 AM
Nov 2017

Looks like the struggle for power and recognition strips away everything meaningful in impure people, for sure.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
44. Maye they can't change their dismal thoughts but they can check their baser impulses....
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:29 AM
Nov 2017

if it takes a financial threat or jailing or anything in between its a success story to me.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
62. He utterly failed his biggest interview in his career
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:45 AM
Nov 2017

The Commander in Chief "forum". He had a chance to stop that monster then by just doing his job, and he failed miserably.

 

sadiegirl

(138 posts)
6. Time to clean up the workplace.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:28 AM
Nov 2017

But be careful about the backlash. The first powerful man who steps out and admits to promoting or hiring some well-known woman because of sexual favors is going to blow up the entire American workforce. With all the revelations it's really scary that many well-qualified women may be turned down for good jobs now for fear of women in the workplace.

How many Congressional staff will be all men now? It's already bought on women to get good jobs. I fear the use of these revelations now will make it more difficult for them.

Perhaps now, there will be enough charges brought out about Trump that we may be able to finally get him out of office since so many other men are being fired for the same or even less harassment behavior. We can only hope.

melm00se

(4,986 posts)
9. This
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:35 AM
Nov 2017

Sadiegirl's concern about 100% male staffs in Congress is not far fetched.

It may be the only real defensive action some of these Congress-critters could take to protect themselves.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
30. If those Congressmen have nothing to hide it should help get more women on staff....
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:03 AM
Nov 2017

the real solution is to make Congress reflect who is American. America isn't 90% middle aged white males.

Vote.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
71. yes indeed
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:58 AM
Nov 2017

I agree with your last comment. Hmm....more women will campaigning for office, as they should. Enough is enough.

melm00se

(4,986 posts)
94. Even the innocent
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:47 AM
Nov 2017

will react with single sex staffs.

If nothing else to avoid accusations.

Politics is a dirty business and political opponents (regardless of ideology) will rarely (if ever) allow opportunities to damage their opponents pass.

klook

(12,152 posts)
70. Men sexually harass men, too.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:56 AM
Nov 2017

The only real answer is to create firm policies with clear repercussions, and enforce them. It will take a while to turn this culture around, but it's got to happen.

Polly Hennessey

(6,788 posts)
79. This is my concern, too.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:22 AM
Nov 2017

I can feel the backlash creeping forward. It will take just one to be found lying to overturn the forward progress. Now each day we wake to Trump’s Tweets and another powerful man found to be a sexual harasser or assaulter.

infullview

(978 posts)
11. This is very scary stuff
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:38 AM
Nov 2017

I just hope NBC did a thorough vetting before they jettisoned Matt. How do we know this wasn't some coworker interested in filling his position at the show? Before you ask, yes, I've been a victim of this kind of reverse sexual harassment where there was no truth and lies were weaponized.

I keep very neutral in work place politics and social interactions to the point that I don't make any close associations. It's the only way to protect yourself, but it doesn't help when promotions are handed out.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
78. I hear what you're saying, but here's the thing.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:17 AM
Nov 2017

As a man, I don't do that shit. Ever.

But what is to stop someone from accusing me of such, falsely?

In our culture, in fact in our 'justice' system, the assumption is still innocent until proven guilty.

So, no, it isn't the equivalent of 'reverse racism.' That was an unfortunate term.

I'm not a thumper, but the Bible puts it better: Don't bear false witness against your neighbor.

In an age of equality, I'll remind you that as with men, some women are so great they walk on water. Others are complete psychotic dirt bags. That's the continuum, Lex, and everyone, I mean everyone, falls somewhere in between.

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
15. They'd be REALLY stupid to fire him if there wasn't something he already admitted to. That's another
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:46 AM
Nov 2017

... common factor in all these harassment claims were people are fired quick; there's some hard evidence and its coming from the people fired.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
31. Lauer's firing is very high-profile
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:04 AM
Nov 2017

You can be sure that NBC knew what they were doing. There had to be a confrontation with Lauer (probably with his agent and/or lawyer present). The evidence of his behavior must be unimpeachable because the firing is so quick and public.

In past examples, the individual would be suspended during an inquiry. Following that report, the individual would either be reinstated, reassigned or let go. An example of this is what happened to Brian Williams who eventually returned to broadcasting but at the lower-profile of cable news. In fact, this is also what happened at Fox News.

In the event that Lauer is innocent of the charges, I expect we'd see a counter-statement from him followed by a lawsuit or three.

The fact that Lauer is so well-known means that NBC must have made its decision by choosing the least damaging course.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
32. Oh, pleeeez. NBC got the info Monday...fired his a__ on Tuesday. It was a sure thing.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:06 AM
Nov 2017

Maybe there's an audio or video tape of something, since that's a television station. Harassers and criminals tend to get sloppy over the years, as each year passes and they don't get caught.

He was THE guy on their highly rated morning show. NBC didn't want to fire him. So they had no choice. The evidence was conclusive and bad.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
35. I was accused of that, too. And the process worked. If you do nothing, fear nothing.....
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:13 AM
Nov 2017

as to reverse discrimination, it flat out does not exist. My white male privilege worked for me my entire life and I was not even aware of it until just a few years ago. I just knew I was always going to get most of the jobs and positions I was interviewing for if I were up against women/PoC.

I know now that I am more likely to get fair hearing of my complaint/concerns, particularly since my hair turned white, which happened at forty or so. If we males get some "reverse", well its something we will need to tolerate as the nation finally transitions into much fairer and more inclusive place.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
49. Thanks for admitting what you recognized.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:36 AM
Nov 2017

It's not that white men get jobs and promotions they aren't qualified for. It's that there's a one-up for them, in a competition setup. And when they get it, they get more money. Not always. But generally. That was my observation over decades of working.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
66. We always ALWAYS get more money and we tend to bring up more like us up with us ....
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:52 AM
Nov 2017

the bringing up more like us with has changed some in the last twenty or so years but still needs a lot more efforts. But the money thing still exists in a country where the discussion on wages starts a 'minimum wage' and not a 'living wage', let alone a fair and equal wage.

White males have their own affirmative action, too. Not only do bosses have managers beneath them who look just like them, but it exists in private schools like Yale and Harvard which have highly publicized minority affirmative action programs. That's how D average students like George W. Bush gets into Yale, a school where stringent academic standards keep bright and prepared students out. Its called a "legacy enrollment" - W's dad and brother went (and did very well) and so does W, who will not release his grades. I understand they were C's.

We need to keep up the fight and make inclusiveness so natural its understood and not mandated.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
36. That's like saying reports of thefts makes it scary for me to walk into a jewelry store!
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:15 AM
Nov 2017

Yikes! What's a customer to do? If I go into a jewelry store, what with all the reports by jewelers of thefts, they might allege that I tried to rob them, too!

That's silly. All we have to do is....not try to rob or steal a jewelry store. If we don't, there's no reason anyone would try to claim that we did.

Same thing. No one's after you, dude. (If YOU are not after anyone else.)

BumRushDaShow

(128,487 posts)
90. Except your argument doesn't work when it comes to POC
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:39 AM
Nov 2017

who, using your analogy, get followed around quite in stores because POC are considered to be big shoplifters due to "profiling".

Every single time I walk in ANY store, I must be careful of how I move and operate in that store including going into my pocketbook to get a list or other object because God forbid, I might have stuffed something in there.

MaryMagdaline

(6,851 posts)
68. NBC was clear
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:55 AM
Nov 2017

He broke NBC rules. Rule violations are easier to prove. Something like, don't meet with subordinate after hours or use company cell phones only when communicating with subordinates, don't interview job applicants outside if NBC offices, etc. (these are examples; I do not know NBC's actual rules).

I believe they must have had a solid case to fire someone that powerful. The breach of contract/wrongful termination case would be extremely expensive if they did not have solid evidence.

I don't know you, obviously, but I doubt you have access to the same type of lawyers Matt has. And yes, it is frightening that a less powerful person can be wrongfully accused. If there are rules in the workplace, the rules protect the accused as well.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
80. They would not have let him go without an admission of guilt or incontrovertible evidence
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:28 AM
Nov 2017

The morning hosts on MSNBC have repeatedly stated that he was the most powerful anchor at NBC

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
96. This troubles me too.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:56 AM
Nov 2017

I have no idea what the allegations against Lauer are, or if they can be substantiated, but claims of sexual harassment in the workplace can easily be contrived, and given the seeming desire to protect “victims,” alleged harassers generally are not provided an opportunity to confront the charges or their accusers in any meaningful way.

The presumption right now is that allegations of harassment always should be credited, and at best, an internal workplace investigation can only result in a finding that the charges cannot be corroborated (not that they are false). This is the trend both in the workplace and in universities where sexual misconduct is alleged.

This troubles me greatly. I have defended numerous Title VII actions where charges of harassment were made up by the “victim” to secure some advantage at the workplace, or because a fully consensual relationship (a bad idea but not necessarily unlawful) went south, or the victim just had an axe to grind or was looking for a windfall. Typically, these cases settle before trial if they cannot be won by the defendant on motion because juries are wild cards.

Often times, the “victims” spin the most innocuous of interactions as evidence of a hostile work environment. We all know that women are often subject to sexual harassment at the workplace. But the ones who sue often aren't the ones actually being harassed.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
16. Remember the forum he hosted with Trump and Clinton
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:47 AM
Nov 2017

and how utterly unfair he was at it. Yet another sexist pig who has a big media position in 2016. At what point are we going to understand that Clinton lost almost entirely because the media was at best OK with sexists and at worst a bunch of sexists.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
19. I read on DU that Keith Olbermann suggested that another sex scandle
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:50 AM
Nov 2017

might be coming and involving someone on MSNBC. But Lauer is at NBC?

JenniferJuniper

(4,507 posts)
34. I think he said there would be three major names?
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:09 AM
Nov 2017

I'm not sure he said they'd all be MSNBC, but NBC is pretty darn close.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. Same company. Willie Geist works for the co. He works on both MSNBC & NBC shows.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:18 AM
Nov 2017

Samantha Guthrie "left" MSNBC to work at NBC, but she just changed shows. Same company.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
21. Just watched him officiating the Thx-giving parade..
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 08:51 AM
Nov 2017

..with Samantha Guthrie on YouTube Monday night and said to the hubs, "there's something about that guy I don't like." I swear I did.

If I remember correctly, I've heard him make some sympathic remarks about wingers in the past; so, I think that was it.


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. I'm NOT surprised.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:01 AM
Nov 2017

I've never heard anything about sexual harassment about him, but unlike his coworkers who said they thought they knew what kind of guy they knew and worked with for years....I thought I, too, could tell what kind of man he was, and I'm NOT surprised that he has a dark, skanky side.

I read reports of how he'd treated Ann Curry. He was mean to her, didn't want her working there, and eventually got rid of her. Yes, smiling, jovial Matt Lauer used his power on the set to get rid of someone he didn't think was good enough for him to work with and that he just didn't like. From what I read, she had done nothing to deserve that treatment. She was pleasant, showed up on time, was professional.

So I'm not surprised. And glad to see him gone.

Siwsan

(26,250 posts)
33. I've always caught a 'bully' vibe, off of him. Even before the Ann Curry incident
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

And since sexual harassment is one of the more toxic forms of bullying, so this surprises me, not one bit.

bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
38. Couldn't stand to watch the man
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:20 AM
Nov 2017

Looks like there will be some job openings as corporate America cleans house

Cattledog

(5,910 posts)
40. Now the Hillary interview where he treated her much more harshly than Trump is clearer...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:23 AM
Nov 2017

it shows his disdain for strong women.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
43. It sure does bring things to light. He constantly interrupted her before she could answer.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:27 AM
Nov 2017

He should have been fired for that disgraceful interview, and not only wasn't he NOT fired for that, but the head of NBC Andrew Lack praised Lauer for that detestable interview


FakeNoose

(32,587 posts)
73. That's because his boss is a right-wing tool
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:04 AM
Nov 2017

Andrew Lack probably TOLD Matt Lauer to treat Hillary in such a manner.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
75. Lack is a sexist pig. The way he back-stabbed and treated Ann Curry is part of his profile. While
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:11 AM
Nov 2017

Andrew Lack is an asshole, he didn't tell Lauer to NOT give Hillary a chance to answer a question, that was all Lauer.

Lack defended Lauer's interview after it was widely criticised the next day for the unbalanced way it was conducted, this was pure Matt Lauer.




BumRushDaShow

(128,487 posts)
91. And now that he helped Putin-GOP get their "Mission Accomplished"
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:42 AM
Nov 2017

his work is done and he gets jettisoned to be replaced by another willing tool.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
41. This asshole should have been fired after his disgraceful interview with Hillary verses trump.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:24 AM
Nov 2017

He treated Hillary with the upmost disrespect, and kept interrupting her so she could finish answering a question.

I hope he is unable to work again in the news business, though I wouldn't be surprised is fox wants him


https://www.vogue.com/article/matt-lauer-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-commander-in-chief-forum



FakeNoose

(32,587 posts)
72. I thought he was told to do that in the debate
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:02 AM
Nov 2017

Let's face it, Lauer was never much of a journalist, he's really just a guy who reads the cue cards. Somebody writes the news stories for him and the NBC news directors decide what stories go on the air. As far as his disgraceful job during the debates, it just cemented in my mind the fact that he's not a reporter.

Somebody higher up at NBC made him do that. Who was it, maybe his boss Andrew Lack (who's also a right-wing tool)?
Inquiring minds want to know.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
74. That is bullshit. No one tells an interviewer to not give the person he is interviewing a chance to
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:06 AM
Nov 2017

answer the question, and that is all Lauer was doing was interrupting Hillary

The contrast that where he let trump practically run the interview only re-enforces his sexism, and his political bias

FakeNoose

(32,587 posts)
76. Lauer was never a journalist
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:11 AM
Nov 2017

He only reads the cue cards while somebody else decides what news stories get on the air.
He's good at celebrity interviews but breaking news stories were never his thing.

I believe Andrew Lack (a right-wing tool) told Lauer to do that, and Lauer did as he was told.
That's why Lack praised him so highly after it was over. Yes I agree, it was disgraceful.





riversedge

(70,085 posts)
81. #LaueringTheBar --AH YES, now I remember that debate. thanks for the link.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:36 AM
Nov 2017




How Many Times Will Hillary Clinton Be Interrupted? #LaueringTheBar

https://www.vogue.com/article/matt-lauer-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-commander-in-chief-forum


September 8, 2016 1:58 PM
by Patricia Garcia




https://assets.vogue.com/photos/5891c068b42132395f40226d/master/w_780,c_limit/00-holding-matt-lauer%E2%80%99s-interview-with-clinton.jpg
Lauer / Clinton
Photo: Getty Images


To put it mildly, Matt Lauer’s performance during Wednesday night’s Commander-in-Chief Forum on NBC has drawn mixed reviews. (The hashtag #LaueringTheBar started trending on Twitter this afternoon.) Critics took issue with what seemed softball questions for Donald Trump, and Lauer’s seeming unwillingness to fact-check several false statements made by the Republican candidate. But to many female viewers, something else leaped out: Lauer constantly interrupted Hillary Clinton throughout their exchange.

Early on, while describing attributes the leader of the United States should have, Clinton stressed: “What you want in a president, a commander in chief, is someone who listens, who evaluates what is being told to him or her, who is able to sort out the very difficult options being presented . . .” Lauer quickly interjected: “You’re talking about judgment.” Clinton finished her sentence.

Later, Lauer continued to speak over or rush Clinton for time. When she was delivering a detailed explanation of the Iran nuclear deal, Lauer wanted to cut her short again, but Clinton pushed back. “Look, this is an important issue, I know we don’t have a lot of time, but I will talk quickly.” She smiled before finishing her point, no doubt to stave off accusations of being aggressive...........................

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
45. It always disturbed me...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:30 AM
Nov 2017

His creepy affinity for dressing in drag on their Halloween specials.

I never liked his arrogance and narcissistic behavior. But after what he did to Ann Curry, those feelings were amplified. That is pretty much when I stopped watching the Today Show.

FakeNoose

(32,587 posts)
67. If that's true, it doesn't mean sexual misconduct
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:55 AM
Nov 2017

Matt Lauer is (or was) very jealous of his status as the highest paid male on-air talent at NBC. So Megyn Kelly's new contract was probably a threat to him and it would have ruffled his feathers. He showed the same type of anger/resentment towards other women of high status in the past. Whatever this new allegation is about, his alleged sexual misconduct would never be towards a high-status woman like Kelly who could easily burn him. I guess we're all waiting to hear the juicy details now. In the meantime people are speculating about his marriage too, which almost broke up a year ago. Rumors were flying that he was about to be divorced by his wife, but then they reconciled last year. What was going on there and was it related to this?

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
93. I wasn't meaning to suggest a sexual aspect, but that it spoke to a superior self image ....
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:45 AM
Nov 2017

that seeks to project power through a range of behaviors including sexism as well as sexual behavior.

The juicy details almost always stack up as pathetic as well as sordid. I could do without it but I also recognize that some men just might identify the behaviors in themselves and make appropriate adjustments.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
53. FINALLY! It should have happened years ago
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:38 AM
Nov 2017

What he did to Ann Curry was terrible, and his treatment of Hillary was also horrible.

He is a huge misogynist, and was given huge raise and promotion after he terrorized and blackballed Curry.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
58. In 2006, I emailed NBC about Lauer and Couric claiming that Abramoff gave money to the Dems, too.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:41 AM
Nov 2017

During the Abramoff scandal, Couric tried to push Howard Dean into admitting that the Abramoff scandal was not just about Republican politicians taking money from Jack Abamoff, but also Democratic politicians taking money from him, too. Of course, Howard Dean did not budge from asserting the true position that it was a Republican-only scandal. Afterwards, Lauer made remarks which suggested a false equivalence between the two parties in the scandal. I was so upset about Couric and Lauer that I sent an email to NBC to complain about their reporting in that matter.

From https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2006/01/27/today-issued-non-correction-to-couric-falsehood/134728 :

One day after NBC's Today co-host Katie Couric chided Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean for saying that Democratic lawmakers received no campaign contributions from former lobbyist Jack Abramoff, her co-host Matt Lauer issued a non-correction, saying that "technically speaking, Howard Dean may be correct." In fact, Dean was correct and Couric was wrong. There is no evidence to suggest Democrats received campaign contributions from Abramoff directly.


underpants

(182,623 posts)
59. Gee Matt was the info sent in an EMAIL???
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:41 AM
Nov 2017

Hillary's 30 minute townhall during the campaign was dominated with Lauer asking questions about the emails.

Suck it Lauer.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
63. And setting the ball on the tee
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 09:46 AM
Nov 2017

for Trump's tee ball interview. Didn't rise to the level of softball.

dlk

(11,514 posts)
83. Lauer Firing Shown How Misogyny led to the 2016 Presidential Campaign Results
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:37 AM
Nov 2017

Email! Benghazi! Charitable Foundation! Now we have Trump.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
85. Poor little Matt. . . . .
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 10:46 AM
Nov 2017

It has been obvious for a long time that he's a worthless piece of shit with no journalistic integrity. It isn't surprising that he has no other kind of integrity either. Good riddance. I hope we never have to see him on any news program again.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
95. To hell with him. Good riddance.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:49 AM
Nov 2017

I've been hoping that bad fortune would befall him, ever since the unspeakable way he handled his discussions with Hillary during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
97. No surprise here. I havent liked him for a long time but...
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 12:16 PM
Nov 2017

NBC must have him dead to rights to act so quickly.
I’m sure more details will be forthcoming.

There are countless millions of men who would never, ever act in an inappropriate way towards women and others, sexually. Apparently, Lauer is not one of them.

I am not at all sorry he was fired but my crap feelings about him haven’t been based on sexual creepiness, but more his arrogance and self importance. (However, his treatment of Hillary in that patronizing interview is now much more understandable)

Power and money DO have a huge influence on how the men that feel sexual harassment is a gendered entitlement behave. The high profile ones will obviously be the most talked about before society in general combats this shameful behavior.

Those men/boys who DO abuse and harass women and the vulnerable are part of a long standing, generational gender-based societal epidemic.

What is happening now is long overdue. Painfully so. Firstly and especially for the victims and those who have struggled so hard and long against the personal attacks...and also for men who would never behave so hideously having to be on guard.

Expect more. Expect surprises. Expect some collateral damage. Expect guilty bastards to finally be exposed. And expect change, which is never easy, but welcomed.

It’s been an ugly societal secret long enough. Wayyyy long.

Lauer is another rung up in that ladder to get to the top of the pile of bigger, twisted, entitled assholes. (We, and they, know who they are)




TexasBushwhacker

(20,144 posts)
107. I wonder if his wife will finally divorce him
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:25 PM
Nov 2017

She filed in 2006 when she was pregnant with their 3rd child. They reconciled "for the kids" but they have a weekend marriage. She lives with their children in The Hamptons and he lives in Manhattan during the week.

librechik

(30,673 posts)
109. Saw this coming way down Broadway. Garrison Keillor too.
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 02:38 PM
Nov 2017

Wish I had posted my "Lauer's Next" thread last weekend like I wanted!

brooklynite

(94,356 posts)
110. UPDATE-Matt Lauer Accused of Sexual Harassment by Multiple Women (EXCLUSIVE)
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 04:46 PM
Nov 2017
Variety:

As the co-host of NBC’s “Today,” Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.

On another day, he summoned a different female employee to his office, and then dropped his pants, showing her his penis. After the employee declined to do anything, visibly shaken, he reprimanded her for not engaging in a sexual act.

He would sometimes quiz female producers about who they’d slept with, offering to trade names. And he loved to engage in a crass quiz game with men and women in the office: “fuck, marry or kill,” in which he would identify the female co-hosts that he’d most like to sleep with.

These accounts of Lauer’s behavior at NBC are the result of a two-month investigation by Variety, with dozens of interviews with current and former staffers. Variety has talked to three women who identified themselves as victims of sexual harassment by Lauer, and their stories have been corroborated by friends or colleagues that they told at the time. They have asked for now to remain unnamed, fearing professional repercussions.

onetexan

(13,020 posts)
111. finally the SOB got what he deserves
Wed Nov 29, 2017, 05:00 PM
Nov 2017

i've not gotten over when Ann Curry was kicked out of the Today show because of him, and i've not gotten over how he fired ridiculous questions at Hillary during the election debate. Hate his smug face and snotty act. He dropped out of college and later managed to convince his alma mater to give him his diploma due to his work experience. If he won any journalism awards i hope those are all revoked. There are many rumors he slept with many of the women he worked with including Savannah Guthrie and Natalie Morales. I don't doubt that's how he convinced NBC execs to replace Ann with talentless Savannah.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/29/16714688/matt-lauer-today-show-ann-curry

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