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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:17 PM Dec 2017

Dems warn GOP: We're prepared for class war

Source: McClatchy DC Bureau




DECEMBER 05, 2017 05:00 AM

UPDATED 1 HOUR 59 MINUTES AGO

BY ALEX ROARTY
aroarty@mcclatchydc.com

Democrats are ready to embrace a class war — and blame Republicans for starting it.

The GOP’s controversial dual effort to revamp the health care system and tax code has convinced Democrats they should bluntly assail Republicans as the defenders of out-of-touch plutocrats, a message party operatives have already begun to poll-test, include in attacks ads, and use against vulnerable incumbents even before Saturday’s passage of the Senate GOP bill. And rather than wince at the inevitable retorts that the party is trying to instigate a class war, leading party strategists say they welcome the attack — confident the GOP’s legislative priorities make them a more likely culprit in the public’s mind.

“If Democrats are worried about class war, well, the Republicans started it,” said John Lapp, a veteran Democratic strategist. “And bring it on.” Quipped one party operative: “If we’re eating the rich, they bit first.”

An avowed focus on the middle class is part of a well-worn playbook for Democrats, who traditionally regarded themselves as the defenders of workers. But they think the message has fresh resonance now, in the face of the GOP’s legislative agenda, and especially after President Donald Trump’s populist campaign promised repeatedly to defend the working class.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article188065034.html

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Dems warn GOP: We're prepared for class war (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2017 OP
It's about time. Focus on the economy (Plutocracy) and class. jalan48 Dec 2017 #1
Until Dems demand paper ballots and end vote stealing onit2day Dec 2017 #43
So true. RandomAccess Dec 2017 #48
Finally! marylandblue Dec 2017 #2
Warren is so real. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #38
Good. ellie Dec 2017 #3
Let's get Trump out of the White House first FakeNoose Dec 2017 #4
yes Drumbf needs to go bdtrppr6 Dec 2017 #20
You described waging the class war from our side -- perfectly. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #36
I assume sarcasm, as we can't wait, or nothing well be left. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #41
Yes, make America, America again. onit2day Dec 2017 #44
i'm going to assume bluecollar2 Dec 2017 #50
People are getting beyond pissed. Iliyah Dec 2017 #5
Non-renewal of CHIP is screwing my family enough, let alone the blow we'll take from this tax bill. liberalnarb Dec 2017 #64
DEMs got to get mean, really mean to fight the class war. NCjack Dec 2017 #6
HOPEFULLY Dems will come up with something more fiery and to the point than ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #7
"A better deal." 😴 sprinkleeninow Dec 2017 #22
Kindness and Decency, caution and thrift Mopar151 Dec 2017 #54
We've been living it for years now already Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #8
We're like the poor frog in the boiling water. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #13
I use that analogy all the time. Spot on. moda253 Dec 2017 #27
We as in the Democratic Party I presume. KPN Dec 2017 #35
Exactly. It started around 1980. nt raccoon Dec 2017 #53
I'd like to think we're ready for a class war. Paladin Dec 2017 #9
WAYYYYYY past time!! niyad Dec 2017 #10
Three things, How to pay for Healthcare, Housing and Higher Education. harun Dec 2017 #11
One thing to remember - Republicans own nearly all the media and rurallib Dec 2017 #12
Yes FakeNoose Dec 2017 #23
not just making a profit, but controlling the message, which may be even more important. rurallib Dec 2017 #34
time for internet v.2 They_Live Dec 2017 #57
Finally! diane in sf Dec 2017 #14
IMHO, thats a good way to frame it - if they/we can channel our inner Roosevelt ( both Teddy and Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2017 #15
yeah, right. KG Dec 2017 #16
We've been in a class war for many decades. Orrex Dec 2017 #17
About damn time packman Dec 2017 #18
"They only call it 'Class Warfare' when we fight back" The Mouth Dec 2017 #19
Start with language. "Out of touch" is crap. "Thieving billionaires and their GOP henchmen" lagomorph777 Dec 2017 #21
Yes we need some bulldogs on our side FakeNoose Dec 2017 #25
Yeah, I'm sure I'd disagree with many of his ideas; it's his style that I like. lagomorph777 Dec 2017 #26
Not gonna happen. We have to keep our powder dry, don't you know. SaintLouisBlues Dec 2017 #24
Yup. progressoid Dec 2017 #28
YUP..."off the table" "high road" "dry powder" "sensible & pragmatic" MindPilot Dec 2017 #60
The Rs are waging war on working people. ... ollie10 Dec 2017 #29
Wow they're only 15 to 20 years too late elehhhhna Dec 2017 #30
Nah, don't "eat the rich". . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2017 #31
:-) underpants Dec 2017 #32
It's about freakin' time! Dr_Pretorius Dec 2017 #33
Bout damn time. Volaris Dec 2017 #37
How about this for a slogan? mikehiggins Dec 2017 #39
MAYBE - Poor whites will finally figure it out Steven Maurer Dec 2017 #40
Kick the big corporate donors to the curb if they don't like it Saviolo Dec 2017 #42
Dems not even close to ready... Magoo48 Dec 2017 #45
The Ruthugs have been waging and winning CLASS WARFARE for decades Martin Eden Dec 2017 #46
It's about time we got tough ggmac0427 Dec 2017 #47
it is not good enough to "seem angry" quaker bill Dec 2017 #49
Bring it. nt Laffy Kat Dec 2017 #51
Democrats are so stupid at the national level maxrandb Dec 2017 #52
Nah, too busy eating their own. Owl Dec 2017 #55
Dems doing war on Franken,on this tax cut nah............ Bengus81 Dec 2017 #56
The war is over, we lost n/t hibbing Dec 2017 #58
I'll believe it when I see it. bearssoapbox Dec 2017 #59
BINGO! 100% in agreement with ya! mazzarro Dec 2017 #63
nt bearssoapbox Dec 2017 #66
Are there going to be any Democrats left after Democratic women run everyone off from the Hestia Dec 2017 #61
You're goddamn right! IT IS A CLASS WAR. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #62
Started with Ronnie Raygun... maybe earlier. They declared this war, but I'm ready to fight it. liberalnarb Dec 2017 #65
About time. zentrum Dec 2017 #67
As a Dem I have embraced class war long long ago. How about the DNC? YOHABLO Dec 2017 #68
Giggle...yah right... don't hold ur breathe dembotoz Dec 2017 #70
Repubs response "Hold my Beer" n2doc Dec 2017 #69
Hell yes! Bring it on. TryLogic Dec 2017 #71
Im sure they are shaking in their boots. Owl Dec 2017 #72

jalan48

(13,841 posts)
1. It's about time. Focus on the economy (Plutocracy) and class.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

It's something 90% + of Americans can relate to.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
43. Until Dems demand paper ballots and end vote stealing
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 05:29 PM
Dec 2017

elections will not be fair. The entire country polls left, and sides with dems on the issues yet repubs are the ones in office. Thousand of votes being blocked or stolen by Kobach's vote challenging, never counted,machines flipping votes but never for dems and dems silent about it till now. But they need to be loud about it so voting is easy, all votes are counted and we have voting holidays so everyone can get to the polls.
We also need to get the money out of our elections by making funding transparent and limited for a start.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. Finally!
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:20 PM
Dec 2017

The rank and file has been talking about this for years, at last the leaders get it.

"There is a class war in this country and my class is winning."
-Warren Buffet

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
4. Let's get Trump out of the White House first
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

Then let's fix gerrymandering, voter suppression and the hacking of the electronic voting machines. Then let's get the ACA back on track and rewrite the income tax laws so they make sense and don't steal our Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid benefits. Then let's fix the problems in education, the environment and rebuild our infrastructure.

... we can talk about class wars later.

 

bdtrppr6

(796 posts)
20. yes Drumbf needs to go
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:59 PM
Dec 2017

but the other issues you list are symptoms of the rich vs poor class war our rich Reps and Sens have been waging for quite some time. we wouldn't be in this mess if the rich weren't buying the govt to get rid of teh poors. the first three you mention are outright attacks on the general citizenry, stealing elections and forcing perspectives that aren't real.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
36. You described waging the class war from our side -- perfectly.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:57 PM
Dec 2017

The issues you mentioned ARE the class war.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
41. I assume sarcasm, as we can't wait, or nothing well be left.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 05:08 PM
Dec 2017

It should not be a hate the rich though, or we willnever win it. A lot of Repubs say they won't vote Dem, because they hate people who are succesful at making money.
No, we just want them to pay their fair share of supporting this country, especially since this country has supported them.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. People are getting beyond pissed.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:24 PM
Dec 2017

Tax cuts for the rich but GOPer's can't find funding for CHIP. WTF, and that's only one issue.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
64. Non-renewal of CHIP is screwing my family enough, let alone the blow we'll take from this tax bill.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 09:24 AM
Dec 2017

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
6. DEMs got to get mean, really mean to fight the class war.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:36 PM
Dec 2017

That's what the GOP just did to us on the Tax Bill. I will have to take out mortgages to pay my future Fed income taxes. We have to get mean enough to put rich Republicans into pain -- maybe bust a lot of them back into the middle class. Just like FDR did.

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
7. HOPEFULLY Dems will come up with something more fiery and to the point than ...
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:41 PM
Dec 2017

"A better deal"

We're in hand to hand combat. Fighting for our LIVES literally. thuglicans are NOT playing. They fully intend to destroy what's left of a middle-class, take away health care from millions AND then go after Social Security/Medicare after they get through with their for the rich tax bill. CHIP is done as of December 31st 2017.

This is one time where Dems will HOPEFULLY mimic thuglicans and STAY ON POINT. Hammer the message home over and over and over again that thuglicans don't give a damn if people DIE, LOSE their LIVES, HOMES, WAY OF LIVES if this for the rich tax plan passes. Also, that it will add TRILLIONS onto the debt. Dems have to start talking up or be forever silent. It's bad enough that fatso will be able to appoint judges for LIFE onto these benches, and we know that they don't intend on ruling in a way that will benefit PEOPLE'S BEST interests.

Come on Dems, grow a pair. SPEAK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sprinkleeninow

(20,215 posts)
22. "A better deal." 😴
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:15 PM
Dec 2017

You said it.

Dems don't need to get as filthy as 'them',
just use the strongest words available, succinctly constructed, to the hard hitting point.

MB something will trigger 'one's' emotion and whatever semblance of reason they have left (if any) would open him or her up to a 'lightbulb' moment.

IOW, "Here comes the dawn!".

Mopar151

(9,974 posts)
54. Kindness and Decency, caution and thrift
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:10 PM
Dec 2017

If you look up " Conservative " in the dictionary, these words come up. I see no real conflict with " Liberal " principles. Should Dems start "soft messaging" these themes (particularly with some of our well respected "stars" - Obama, Clinton, Carter, Kerry, Gore), so that the Republicans react to this messaging with their real principles? Kindness is for suckers, thrift is for losers, caution is for wimps!

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
13. We're like the poor frog in the boiling water.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:04 PM
Dec 2017

Throw a frog into boiling water, and they'll jump right out. Put them in cool water and slooooooowly turn up the heat and they'll boil to death.

That's an awful analogy, I know. (I would never do that to a cute little froggie!) But it's apt. We're just now realizing the water is boiling and was being turned up for some time.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
35. We as in the Democratic Party I presume.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:54 PM
Dec 2017

This has been a long time coming. Too many of us have been clamoring about it for 20 years already. It should not have taken this long and did only because too many people of all ages are on the precipice or already beyond.

The middle/working class has been the victim of class warfare for 3+ decades. It's about damned time.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
9. I'd like to think we're ready for a class war.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:55 PM
Dec 2017

I know I'm more than ready for the seemingly inevitable cultural and political conflict on our horizon. But I wonder if the Democratic Party as a whole shares that readiness. And I wonder just how much deeper into the sewer trump has to take our country, before all of us are committed to an effective fight to reclaim it.

rurallib

(62,379 posts)
12. One thing to remember - Republicans own nearly all the media and
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:03 PM
Dec 2017

are about to add internet to their holdings.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
23. Yes
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

...they won't be happy until they control the internet and make a profit off of it.
Well some people are already making a profit, and others are envious.
Bye-bye net neutrality!

rurallib

(62,379 posts)
34. not just making a profit, but controlling the message, which may be even more important.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:44 PM
Dec 2017

They sure control the message on radio, TV, newspapers and magazines.
Not saying sites like DU won't exist. But good luck finding them and paying for them.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
15. IMHO, thats a good way to frame it - if they/we can channel our inner Roosevelt ( both Teddy and
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:26 PM
Dec 2017

Franklin) we got a winner.

Lib vs. Con - not working. As a famous man once said " if you dont like what theyre saying about you, change the conversation."
I think it was Don Draper in Mad Men!

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
17. We've been in a class war for many decades.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:45 PM
Dec 2017

Certainly since Reagan, and arguably since long before that.

Nice to see the Democrats sort of coming on board at long last.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. Start with language. "Out of touch" is crap. "Thieving billionaires and their GOP henchmen"
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:07 PM
Dec 2017

Please, start talking like Richard Painter.

In a war of words, we can't fire noodles while they fire howitzers.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
25. Yes we need some bulldogs on our side
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:26 PM
Dec 2017

I like how Richard Painter sounds on MSNBC, but he's still a Republican.
Maybe he's edging towards becoming Independent?
He certainly critcizes the GOP a lot.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
26. Yeah, I'm sure I'd disagree with many of his ideas; it's his style that I like.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:28 PM
Dec 2017

Blunt as a sledgehammer to the testicles.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
60. YUP..."off the table" "high road" "dry powder" "sensible & pragmatic"
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:19 PM
Dec 2017

I think the party left me somewhere between "dry powder" and "sensible & pragmatic"

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
37. Bout damn time.
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 05:01 PM
Dec 2017

We got more Soldiers, and our Leadership shoulda done this after the BUSH tax cuts and weda saved ourselves a recession.

Steven Maurer

(459 posts)
40. MAYBE - Poor whites will finally figure it out
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 05:06 PM
Dec 2017

And not just pretend to themselves that aid to the poor and middle class, in either programs or reduced taxes, isn't just helping black people at their expense.

Maybe, this time their racism won't blind their eyes.


I dare not hope. I've been disappointed far too often. But I'm crossing my fingers anyway.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
42. Kick the big corporate donors to the curb if they don't like it
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 05:13 PM
Dec 2017

It's win-win, honestly. Bernie did lots of good work raising money from the people. Democrats could do that if they took an aggressively anti-1% stance. Eschew the huge money donors and build from the grass roots up. Most of the big corporations will shy away and keep their money out of the ring publicly, and all the dark money will still go to Republicans, but then the Democrats will be able to say they're not beholden to big money interests.

Make the message, then stay on the message. Healthcare for all, education for all, cleaner water in poor communities, infrastructure to help struggling urban communities, outreach to women, POC, LGBTQ+, the Democratic base. Inclusiveness and progress. Have young leaders mentored by our elder statesmen and women and encourage engagement in oft-overlooked communities. Go door to door. These are all class issues. The 1% holds more wealth than the bottom 60%, but guess who has more votes?

Magoo48

(4,698 posts)
45. Dems not even close to ready...
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 07:28 PM
Dec 2017

How can fight a class war if our party won't ...

renounce corporate greed, corporate media, and corporate health care?

encourage general strikes, massive civil disobedience, and divestment fossil fuels?

give young people, progressives, and next generation candidates real access and real power within the party?

Comfortable "moderate" Dems don't have the will or the courage to put it all on the line for the working class and the poor. Ready? Not even...

Martin Eden

(12,844 posts)
46. The Ruthugs have been waging and winning CLASS WARFARE for decades
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 07:43 PM
Dec 2017

The huge budget deficits they create are intended to force reductions in Social Security & Medicare.

The earned benefits we've paid for all our lives are on the chopping block so the fat cats writing checks to the RNC can get what they paid for.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
49. it is not good enough to "seem angry"
Tue Dec 5, 2017, 10:00 PM
Dec 2017

If we are going to go there, and I think it is well past time we did, then go there. Be angry, push, incite, inflame, be passionate. Don't try to find out where the people are and be led by the polls, change the dynamic. Challenge people to think and act out, be colorful. Don't duck the occasional Howard Dean or Bernie Sanders because "they seem too angry" embrace them, push them to speak even stronger words. Do it (to quote Yoda -"there is no try&quot . Half measures on something like this is a waste of time, don't "act like" you give a damn, actually give a damn, and you will win.

maxrandb

(15,295 posts)
52. Democrats are so stupid at the national level
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:20 AM
Dec 2017

It's NOT "class war"... it's just fucking WAR!!!

We didn't fight the Nazis due to their "economic policies", we fought because they were Nazis!!

It's NOT class war. It's TOTAL War!

They must be fought and crushed at every battle.

It's war on racism!

It's war on fascism!

It's war on human rights!

It's war on economic policy!

It's war for the fucking soul of our country!

THE ONLY GOOD RETRUMPLICAN is a RETRUMPLICAN THAT HAS GOTTEN THEIR ASS KICKED SO BAD AT THE BALLOT BOX THAT THEY DARE NOT SHOW THEIR FACE IN PUBLIC

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
56. Dems doing war on Franken,on this tax cut nah............
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:26 PM
Dec 2017

Then when we lose Franken's seat to some Trump loving NEO CON we can LOSE even more votes on bills in Congress.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
63. BINGO! 100% in agreement with ya!
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 02:52 AM
Dec 2017

I still can recall the excuse "we are keeping our powder dry" used a while ago to avoid opposing some really, realy bad rethugs to various positions.

I'm really sick and tired of this whimpering stance our side takes to most things. Only time one sees a show of strength is when we pick apart each other and we do it ruthlessly indeed especially when the target is a progressive or what they call far left.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
61. Are there going to be any Democrats left after Democratic women run everyone off from the
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:49 PM
Dec 2017

Senate and Congress? Why are they doing this? Handpicking people they want in office? This is disturbing and hard to defend, throwing fellow Democrats under the bus.

Conyers, yes, but Franken? No way. Now the women's gaggle are going after NV Democrat who's already been investigated, but now they want to bring it back up and kick him out of Congress? Not no, but hell no.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
62. You're goddamn right! IT IS A CLASS WAR.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:22 PM
Dec 2017

And we've been losing it for decades.

TIME FOR OUR PARTY TO GROW A SPINE.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
69. Repubs response "Hold my Beer"
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 06:57 AM
Dec 2017

"How about we start with a little war between the sexes first. We will start with the Senator from Minnesota "

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