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Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:17 PM

Dems warn GOP: We're prepared for class war

Source: McClatchy DC Bureau




DECEMBER 05, 2017 05:00 AM

UPDATED 1 HOUR 59 MINUTES AGO

BY ALEX ROARTY
aroarty@mcclatchydc.com

Democrats are ready to embrace a class war — and blame Republicans for starting it.

The GOP’s controversial dual effort to revamp the health care system and tax code has convinced Democrats they should bluntly assail Republicans as the defenders of out-of-touch plutocrats, a message party operatives have already begun to poll-test, include in attacks ads, and use against vulnerable incumbents even before Saturday’s passage of the Senate GOP bill. And rather than wince at the inevitable retorts that the party is trying to instigate a class war, leading party strategists say they welcome the attack — confident the GOP’s legislative priorities make them a more likely culprit in the public’s mind.

“If Democrats are worried about class war, well, the Republicans started it,” said John Lapp, a veteran Democratic strategist. “And bring it on.” Quipped one party operative: “If we’re eating the rich, they bit first.”

An avowed focus on the middle class is part of a well-worn playbook for Democrats, who traditionally regarded themselves as the defenders of workers. But they think the message has fresh resonance now, in the face of the GOP’s legislative agenda, and especially after President Donald Trump’s populist campaign promised repeatedly to defend the working class.

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Reply Dems warn GOP: We're prepared for class war (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 5 OP
jalan48 Dec 5 #1
onit2day Dec 5 #43
RandomAccess Dec 5 #48
marylandblue Dec 5 #2
Alice11111 Dec 5 #38
ellie Dec 5 #3
FakeNoose Dec 5 #4
bdtrppr6 Dec 5 #20
Sophia4 Dec 5 #36
Alice11111 Dec 5 #41
onit2day Dec 5 #44
bluecollar2 Dec 5 #50
Iliyah Dec 5 #5
liberalnarb Thursday #64
NCjack Dec 5 #6
LenaBaby61 Dec 5 #7
sprinkleeninow Dec 5 #22
Mopar151 Dec 6 #54
Kimchijeon Dec 5 #8
Dave Starsky Dec 5 #13
moda253 Dec 5 #27
KPN Dec 5 #35
raccoon Dec 6 #53
Paladin Dec 5 #9
niyad Dec 5 #10
harun Dec 5 #11
rurallib Dec 5 #12
FakeNoose Dec 5 #23
rurallib Dec 5 #34
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lagomorph777 Dec 5 #21
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:20 PM

1. It's about time. Focus on the economy (Plutocracy) and class.

It's something 90% + of Americans can relate to.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:29 PM

43. Until Dems demand paper ballots and end vote stealing

elections will not be fair. The entire country polls left, and sides with dems on the issues yet repubs are the ones in office. Thousand of votes being blocked or stolen by Kobach's vote challenging, never counted,machines flipping votes but never for dems and dems silent about it till now. But they need to be loud about it so voting is easy, all votes are counted and we have voting holidays so everyone can get to the polls.
We also need to get the money out of our elections by making funding transparent and limited for a start.

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Response to onit2day (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 08:56 PM

48. So true.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:20 PM

2. Finally!

The rank and file has been talking about this for years, at last the leaders get it.

"There is a class war in this country and my class is winning."
-Warren Buffet

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:03 PM

38. Warren is so real.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:23 PM

3. Good.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:24 PM

4. Let's get Trump out of the White House first

Then let's fix gerrymandering, voter suppression and the hacking of the electronic voting machines. Then let's get the ACA back on track and rewrite the income tax laws so they make sense and don't steal our Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid benefits. Then let's fix the problems in education, the environment and rebuild our infrastructure.

... we can talk about class wars later.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:59 PM

20. yes Drumbf needs to go

but the other issues you list are symptoms of the rich vs poor class war our rich Reps and Sens have been waging for quite some time. we wouldn't be in this mess if the rich weren't buying the govt to get rid of teh poors. the first three you mention are outright attacks on the general citizenry, stealing elections and forcing perspectives that aren't real.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:57 PM

36. You described waging the class war from our side -- perfectly.

The issues you mentioned ARE the class war.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:08 PM

41. I assume sarcasm, as we can't wait, or nothing well be left.

It should not be a hate the rich though, or we willnever win it. A lot of Repubs say they won't vote Dem, because they hate people who are succesful at making money.
No, we just want them to pay their fair share of supporting this country, especially since this country has supported them.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:32 PM

44. Yes, make America, America again.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 11:35 PM

50. i'm going to assume

you were being sarcastic

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:24 PM

5. People are getting beyond pissed.

Tax cuts for the rich but GOPer's can't find funding for CHIP. WTF, and that's only one issue.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 08:24 AM

64. Non-renewal of CHIP is screwing my family enough, let alone the blow we'll take from this tax bill.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:36 PM

6. DEMs got to get mean, really mean to fight the class war.

That's what the GOP just did to us on the Tax Bill. I will have to take out mortgages to pay my future Fed income taxes. We have to get mean enough to put rich Republicans into pain -- maybe bust a lot of them back into the middle class. Just like FDR did.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:41 PM

7. HOPEFULLY Dems will come up with something more fiery and to the point than ...

"A better deal"

We're in hand to hand combat. Fighting for our LIVES literally. thuglicans are NOT playing. They fully intend to destroy what's left of a middle-class, take away health care from millions AND then go after Social Security/Medicare after they get through with their for the rich tax bill. CHIP is done as of December 31st 2017.

This is one time where Dems will HOPEFULLY mimic thuglicans and STAY ON POINT. Hammer the message home over and over and over again that thuglicans don't give a damn if people DIE, LOSE their LIVES, HOMES, WAY OF LIVES if this for the rich tax plan passes. Also, that it will add TRILLIONS onto the debt. Dems have to start talking up or be forever silent. It's bad enough that fatso will be able to appoint judges for LIFE onto these benches, and we know that they don't intend on ruling in a way that will benefit PEOPLE'S BEST interests.

Come on Dems, grow a pair. SPEAK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:15 PM

22. "A better deal." 😴

You said it.

Dems don't need to get as filthy as 'them',
just use the strongest words available, succinctly constructed, to the hard hitting point.

MB something will trigger 'one's' emotion and whatever semblance of reason they have left (if any) would open him or her up to a 'lightbulb' moment.

IOW, "Here comes the dawn!".

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:10 PM

54. Kindness and Decency, caution and thrift

If you look up " Conservative " in the dictionary, these words come up. I see no real conflict with " Liberal " principles. Should Dems start "soft messaging" these themes (particularly with some of our well respected "stars" - Obama, Clinton, Carter, Kerry, Gore), so that the Republicans react to this messaging with their real principles? Kindness is for suckers, thrift is for losers, caution is for wimps!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:48 PM

8. We've been living it for years now already

These days it is just more obvious.

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Response to Kimchijeon (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:04 PM

13. We're like the poor frog in the boiling water.

Throw a frog into boiling water, and they'll jump right out. Put them in cool water and slooooooowly turn up the heat and they'll boil to death.

That's an awful analogy, I know. (I would never do that to a cute little froggie!) But it's apt. We're just now realizing the water is boiling and was being turned up for some time.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:28 PM

27. I use that analogy all the time. Spot on.

 

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:54 PM

35. We as in the Democratic Party I presume.

This has been a long time coming. Too many of us have been clamoring about it for 20 years already. It should not have taken this long and did only because too many people of all ages are on the precipice or already beyond.

The middle/working class has been the victim of class warfare for 3+ decades. It's about damned time.

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Response to Kimchijeon (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:29 AM

53. Exactly. It started around 1980. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:55 PM

9. I'd like to think we're ready for a class war.

I know I'm more than ready for the seemingly inevitable cultural and political conflict on our horizon. But I wonder if the Democratic Party as a whole shares that readiness. And I wonder just how much deeper into the sewer trump has to take our country, before all of us are committed to an effective fight to reclaim it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:00 PM

10. WAYYYYYY past time!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:00 PM

11. Three things, How to pay for Healthcare, Housing and Higher Education.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:03 PM

12. One thing to remember - Republicans own nearly all the media and

are about to add internet to their holdings.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:22 PM

23. Yes

...they won't be happy until they control the internet and make a profit off of it.
Well some people are already making a profit, and others are envious.
Bye-bye net neutrality!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:44 PM

34. not just making a profit, but controlling the message, which may be even more important.

They sure control the message on radio, TV, newspapers and magazines.
Not saying sites like DU won't exist. But good luck finding them and paying for them.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:45 PM

57. time for internet v.2

perhaps call it internot.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:22 PM

14. Finally!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:26 PM

15. IMHO, thats a good way to frame it - if they/we can channel our inner Roosevelt ( both Teddy and

Franklin) we got a winner.

Lib vs. Con - not working. As a famous man once said " if you dont like what theyre saying about you, change the conversation."
I think it was Don Draper in Mad Men!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:43 PM

16. yeah, right.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:45 PM

17. We've been in a class war for many decades.

Certainly since Reagan, and arguably since long before that.

Nice to see the Democrats sort of coming on board at long last.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:47 PM

18. About damn time

Support the 99% - that 1% can go live on their tax-sheltered islands

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 02:53 PM

19. "They only call it 'Class Warfare' when we fight back"

Woody Guthrie

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:07 PM

21. Start with language. "Out of touch" is crap. "Thieving billionaires and their GOP henchmen"

Please, start talking like Richard Painter.

In a war of words, we can't fire noodles while they fire howitzers.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:26 PM

25. Yes we need some bulldogs on our side

I like how Richard Painter sounds on MSNBC, but he's still a Republican.
Maybe he's edging towards becoming Independent?
He certainly critcizes the GOP a lot.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:28 PM

26. Yeah, I'm sure I'd disagree with many of his ideas; it's his style that I like.

Blunt as a sledgehammer to the testicles.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:24 PM

24. Not gonna happen. We have to keep our powder dry, don't you know.

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Response to SaintLouisBlues (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:30 PM

28. Yup.

We wouldn't want to be seen as helping out the middle and low income too aggressively.

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Response to SaintLouisBlues (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:19 PM

60. YUP..."off the table" "high road" "dry powder" "sensible & pragmatic"

 

I think the party left me somewhere between "dry powder" and "sensible & pragmatic"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:30 PM

29. The Rs are waging war on working people. ...

We will fight back!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:32 PM

30. Wow they're only 15 to 20 years too late

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:34 PM

31. Nah, don't "eat the rich". . .

EAT. THEIR. CHILDREN.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:38 PM

32. :-)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 03:40 PM

33. It's about freakin' time!

Pukes have been waging war on the working class for the last 30 years!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:01 PM

37. Bout damn time.

We got more Soldiers, and our Leadership shoulda done this after the BUSH tax cuts and weda saved ourselves a recession.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:04 PM

39. How about this for a slogan?

Which side are you on?

Heard it somewhere and it always sounded right.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:06 PM

40. MAYBE - Poor whites will finally figure it out

And not just pretend to themselves that aid to the poor and middle class, in either programs or reduced taxes, isn't just helping black people at their expense.

Maybe, this time their racism won't blind their eyes.


I dare not hope. I've been disappointed far too often. But I'm crossing my fingers anyway.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 04:13 PM

42. Kick the big corporate donors to the curb if they don't like it

It's win-win, honestly. Bernie did lots of good work raising money from the people. Democrats could do that if they took an aggressively anti-1% stance. Eschew the huge money donors and build from the grass roots up. Most of the big corporations will shy away and keep their money out of the ring publicly, and all the dark money will still go to Republicans, but then the Democrats will be able to say they're not beholden to big money interests.

Make the message, then stay on the message. Healthcare for all, education for all, cleaner water in poor communities, infrastructure to help struggling urban communities, outreach to women, POC, LGBTQ+, the Democratic base. Inclusiveness and progress. Have young leaders mentored by our elder statesmen and women and encourage engagement in oft-overlooked communities. Go door to door. These are all class issues. The 1% holds more wealth than the bottom 60%, but guess who has more votes?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 06:28 PM

45. Dems not even close to ready...

How can fight a class war if our party won't ...

renounce corporate greed, corporate media, and corporate health care?

encourage general strikes, massive civil disobedience, and divestment fossil fuels?

give young people, progressives, and next generation candidates real access and real power within the party?

Comfortable "moderate" Dems don't have the will or the courage to put it all on the line for the working class and the poor. Ready? Not even...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 06:43 PM

46. The Ruthugs have been waging and winning CLASS WARFARE for decades

The huge budget deficits they create are intended to force reductions in Social Security & Medicare.

The earned benefits we've paid for all our lives are on the chopping block so the fat cats writing checks to the RNC can get what they paid for.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 07:03 PM

47. It's about time we got tough

We didn't start this war, but we sure will end it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 09:00 PM

49. it is not good enough to "seem angry"

If we are going to go there, and I think it is well past time we did, then go there. Be angry, push, incite, inflame, be passionate. Don't try to find out where the people are and be led by the polls, change the dynamic. Challenge people to think and act out, be colorful. Don't duck the occasional Howard Dean or Bernie Sanders because "they seem too angry" embrace them, push them to speak even stronger words. Do it (to quote Yoda -"there is no try". Half measures on something like this is a waste of time, don't "act like" you give a damn, actually give a damn, and you will win.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:35 AM

51. Bring it. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:20 AM

52. Democrats are so stupid at the national level

It's NOT "class war"... it's just fucking WAR!!!

We didn't fight the Nazis due to their "economic policies", we fought because they were Nazis!!

It's NOT class war. It's TOTAL War!

They must be fought and crushed at every battle.

It's war on racism!

It's war on fascism!

It's war on human rights!

It's war on economic policy!

It's war for the fucking soul of our country!

THE ONLY GOOD RETRUMPLICAN is a RETRUMPLICAN THAT HAS GOTTEN THEIR ASS KICKED SO BAD AT THE BALLOT BOX THAT THEY DARE NOT SHOW THEIR FACE IN PUBLIC

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 02:37 PM

55. Nah, too busy eating their own.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 04:26 PM

56. Dems doing war on Franken,on this tax cut nah............

Then when we lose Franken's seat to some Trump loving NEO CON we can LOSE even more votes on bills in Congress.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:12 PM

58. The war is over, we lost n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:57 PM

59. I'll believe it when I see it.

Especially after the way they are so quick to turn on fellow Democrats.

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Response to bearssoapbox (Reply #59)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:52 AM

63. BINGO! 100% in agreement with ya!

I still can recall the excuse "we are keeping our powder dry" used a while ago to avoid opposing some really, realy bad rethugs to various positions.

I'm really sick and tired of this whimpering stance our side takes to most things. Only time one sees a show of strength is when we pick apart each other and we do it ruthlessly indeed especially when the target is a progressive or what they call far left.

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Response to mazzarro (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:16 PM

66. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:49 PM

61. Are there going to be any Democrats left after Democratic women run everyone off from the

Senate and Congress? Why are they doing this? Handpicking people they want in office? This is disturbing and hard to defend, throwing fellow Democrats under the bus.

Conyers, yes, but Franken? No way. Now the women's gaggle are going after NV Democrat who's already been investigated, but now they want to bring it back up and kick him out of Congress? Not no, but hell no.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:22 PM

62. You're goddamn right! IT IS A CLASS WAR.

And we've been losing it for decades.

TIME FOR OUR PARTY TO GROW A SPINE.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 08:25 AM

65. Started with Ronnie Raygun... maybe earlier. They declared this war, but I'm ready to fight it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:10 PM

67. About time.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 12:55 AM

68. As a Dem I have embraced class war long long ago. How about the DNC?

They need to get on board.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 06:11 AM

70. Giggle...yah right... don't hold ur breathe

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 05:57 AM

69. Repubs response "Hold my Beer"

"How about we start with a little war between the sexes first. We will start with the Senator from Minnesota "

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 8, 2017, 11:55 PM

71. Hell yes! Bring it on.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:28 PM

72. Im sure they are shaking in their boots.

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