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Jose Garcia

(2,592 posts)
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 03:55 PM Dec 2017

Franken successor to be announced Wednesday

Source: The Hill

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton (D) will announce his pick to replace Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) in the Senate on Wednesday.

Dayton's office said he will make an announcement on Wednesday morning from the state Capitol.

Franken announced last week during a defiant Senate floor speech that he would step down after several women came forward and accused him of inappropriate conduct, including forced kissing and groping.

"I know in my heart that nothing I have done as a senator, nothing, has brought dishonor on this institution, and I am confident that the Ethics Committee would agree," he said from the Senate floor. "Nevertheless, today I am announcing that in the coming weeks I will be resigning as a member of the United States Senate."

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364479-franken-successor-to-be-announced-wednesday

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Franken successor to be announced Wednesday (Original Post) Jose Garcia Dec 2017 OP
Yeah, DemKittyNC Dec 2017 #1
+1 sandensea Dec 2017 #2
Yes Perseus Dec 2017 #3
Please! ananda Dec 2017 #18
+1 PuffedMica Dec 2017 #30
+1 (again) PuffedMica Dec 2017 #29
+1000000 pandr32 Jan 2018 #51
Doesn't matter. McTurtle won't seat them. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #4
Could be right kevink077 Dec 2017 #6
That wouldnt surprise me at all mountain grammy Dec 2017 #7
You could be right, the pukes have no bottom. They lack any sense of fair play or decorum. FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #8
absolute bullshit SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #10
Our government currently doesn't "have to" do anything. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #42
Whoever is certified as the appointee SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #43
I wish you well. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #44
He can't dsc Dec 2017 #11
That covered elected...not appointed . Read it. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #23
I keep pointing this out onenote Dec 2017 #49
Bingo. Been expecting the same. Minimally, Mitch'll stall till after Tas Bill vote.. stuffmatters Dec 2017 #12
I suspect Franken will stay until at least the tax vote. tinrobot Dec 2017 #13
Not sure that once Franken's replacement is named, Mitch'll allow F's vote to count. stuffmatters Dec 2017 #15
Care to make a wager on that? onenote Dec 2017 #16
I have no money to wager. Dave Starsky Dec 2017 #20
And now I have my satisfaction -- Jones and Smith sworn in onenote Jan 2018 #50
There is one ruling the Adam Clayton Powell ruling...and it says elected. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #24
The Powell ruling says elected because House members have to be elected onenote Dec 2017 #28
I said it the first day...this shit started. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #22
In that case, we need to occupy Congress. alarimer Dec 2017 #45
Once the election is certified, he will be seated Jose Garcia Dec 2017 #46
Can al franken play al franken on snl now? Tiggeroshii Dec 2017 #5
Senator Franken said he would step down in the coming weeks Freethinker65 Dec 2017 #9
No. Franken has yet to resign. Thor_MN Dec 2017 #34
So they are really going through with this LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #14
I will always vote for Democrats over Republicans, but I will not forgive the way Al was treated. Chasstev365 Dec 2017 #17
I truly hate Schumer and Gillibrand now! ananda Dec 2017 #19
You stated exactly what I'm thinking and feeling. nt jrthin Dec 2017 #32
Same here eissa Dec 2017 #25
Yep. Same here. Owl Dec 2017 #26
I remember some "lifelong Democrats" saying the same thing about Hillary onenote Dec 2017 #35
If Minnesota goes red because Democrats don't vote the Democratic candidate onenote Dec 2017 #37
youd think they'd wait til he actually resigned. sheesh. nt msongs Dec 2017 #21
I'm sure it will be coordinated so that Franken's resignation takes effect upon the certification onenote Dec 2017 #31
contact info for Gov. Dayton - I just called to urge him to not accept a resignation diva77 Dec 2017 #27
And if he doesn't "accept it", what then? onenote Dec 2017 #33
I tried to ask the person who answered whether the gov. had that power and he didn't know, so thanks diva77 Dec 2017 #36
Franken hasn't resigned or even given a date of resignation, we should remember. Akoto Dec 2017 #38
I wish, but I'm afraid that's not so. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #41
I hope it's Franni Franken nuxvomica Dec 2017 #39
This is so wrong. So sad. I read it'll be his assistant. Whoever it is, it'll be a woman. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #40
Dayton picks Lt. Gov Tina Smith to replace Franken. HughBeaumont Dec 2017 #47
But what wasn't expected is that she does not intend to be a placeholder Jose Garcia Dec 2017 #48

pandr32

(11,574 posts)
51. +1000000
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jan 2018

This would be perfect because the accusations stopped the momment the stunt worked. All the Dems must realize it now. This would be the perfect way to say FU to the tricksters who set him up.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
4. Doesn't matter. McTurtle won't seat them.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:02 PM
Dec 2017

He'll say that the 2018 elections will decide who will replace him, and they'll leave it vacant.

You heard it here first.

In case it hasn't become crystal clear, there are no longer any rules in this game.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
8. You could be right, the pukes have no bottom. They lack any sense of fair play or decorum.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:12 PM
Dec 2017

They are engaged in a death match without rules but the Democrat leadership lacks the intelligence or courage to take the necessary actions to save sour country. We have an internal debate while our party has become roadkill by the puke stampede to destroy over 75 years of efforts to create some social justice in America.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
10. absolute bullshit
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:22 PM
Dec 2017

They will be seated. They would have to seat them and then have a vote to expel them would be the only way to keep the designate person from taking the seat.
I can't believe some of the uninformed paranoid crap that is posted here.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
42. Our government currently doesn't "have to" do anything.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 07:34 PM
Dec 2017

They don't have to honor the emoluments clause of the Constitution or approve Supreme Court Justices put forth by the sitting President or basically do anything they don't want to do. They don't have to, and won't, make sure that all elections are held fairly in this nation.

There used to be rules for all of this stuff, and we all honored them. But anytime there are rules, there are also loopholes. There are people who seek out the loopholes because they are easier and more lucrative in the short run.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
43. Whoever is certified as the appointee
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 07:39 PM
Dec 2017

Will be seated. That is in the Constitution and the Supreme Court would unanimously declare that as soon as someone filed an original jurisdiction request for a ruling

Short of an unconstitutional coup, the person appointed will be seated. That is beyond question.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
11. He can't
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:24 PM
Dec 2017

the Powell case controls in this. It would literally be a short walk to a DC circuit court and 5 minutes later he would be told seat the person.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
49. I keep pointing this out
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 02:54 PM
Dec 2017

The Powell case spoke about elected representatives because it involved a member of the House and under the Constitution, the only way someone gets to be a member of the House is by being elected. In contrast, a Senate vacancy can, under the Constitution's express terms, be filled by election or by a temporary appointment made by a state's governor.

The Senate rules even have a specific form that applies when a Senator is appointed. And Senate precedent (Roland Burris) recognizes that if someone is duly appointed to a vacant Senate seat, and they otherwise meet the rather minimalist qualifications to be a Senator, they will be seated.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
12. Bingo. Been expecting the same. Minimally, Mitch'll stall till after Tas Bill vote..
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:26 PM
Dec 2017

Franken will leave, another Dem appointed, BUT Mitch won't seat her until it's opportune for the Repug.

More dangerous fallout from this terrible rush to judgment by the Dem Senate instead of pursuing the investigation Franken
was due.

tinrobot

(10,893 posts)
13. I suspect Franken will stay until at least the tax vote.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:30 PM
Dec 2017

He said he'll resign in a few weeks, that seems to line up with tax timing.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
15. Not sure that once Franken's replacement is named, Mitch'll allow F's vote to count.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:39 PM
Dec 2017

If it loses by one vote, you can bet that's the tactic Mitch'll take. Call Franken's vote inqualigfying and refusee to seat the replacement vote, claiming "process"

Really, these people will do anything to get what they want.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
16. Care to make a wager on that?
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:45 PM
Dec 2017

You donate $5 to DU if there is an attempt not to seat Franken's successor.
I'll donate $25 if there is an attempt and $50 if it succeeds.

I really should offer thousands, since it's a totally safe bet on my part, given what the Constitution and the courts have to say on the subject.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
28. The Powell ruling says elected because House members have to be elected
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:30 PM
Dec 2017

The Constitution doesn't allow vacancies in the House to be filled by appointment, so it makes sense that a case involving a House member would refer to the member being elected.

But the Constitution allows Senators to be appointed to fill vacancies or by special election. There is no reason to think that Senate can apply a different standard to a Senator chosen by a governor as Constitutionally permitted or one chosen by a special election. Indeed, the Constitutional provision describing the qualifications to be a Senator at that he or she has to be at least 30 years old, a citizen of the US for at least nine years, and an inhabitant of the State in which the person shall be "chosen."

It's beyond imagination that Dayton will pick someone who doesn't meet the qualifications to be a Senator stated above. Once he does, the Secretary of State of Minnesota will complete a certification that will be presented to he Secretary of the Senate. The Senate even has adopted a model form of such certification specifically for situations in which a Senator is appointed to an unexpired term (although use of that particular form is not required).

Recall that the seating of Roland Burris, who was appointed by Rod Blagojevich to fill the Senate seat vacated by Obama, was delayed briefly because the Secretary of State of Illinois refused to sign the prescribed certificate of appointment and, notwithstanding the fact it was signed by Blagojevich, the Secretary of the Senate refused to accept it as valid. However, the Illinois courts found that the governor's signature on the certification was sufficient and after Burris presented a copy of the form with the state seal, he was seated.





Jose Garcia

(2,592 posts)
46. Once the election is certified, he will be seated
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 11:31 AM
Dec 2017

Congress will probably be in recess by then, so Jones won't be casting any votes until the new year.

BTW, there is no Alabama Senate election in 2018. Jones won't be up for reelection until 2020.

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
9. Senator Franken said he would step down in the coming weeks
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:17 PM
Dec 2017

Did Senator Franken ever give a specific date?

Trump always says thing are coming “very soon” or “shortly” and even “on day one” and many are still waiting.

Weeks could just mean less than months, or even years. Wishful thinking on my part.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
34. No. Franken has yet to resign.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:34 PM
Dec 2017

Dayton's announcement is who WILL BE the replacement IF AND WHEN Franken resigns. But today's media has trouble conjugating simple verbs, so they play it like it has already happened.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
17. I will always vote for Democrats over Republicans, but I will not forgive the way Al was treated.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:47 PM
Dec 2017

This is BULL SHIT!

LeAnn Tweeden is a totally phoney. A friend of both Hannity and Don Jr. who was persuaded years later it was sexual harassment and she was coached by Roger Stone!

If Minnesota goes Red in 2018, be it on Schumer and Gillenbrand's head!

ananda

(28,856 posts)
19. I truly hate Schumer and Gillibrand now!
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 04:49 PM
Dec 2017

And I'm not too fond of Warren and Sanders either!

I feel so fucking betrayed!

eissa

(4,238 posts)
25. Same here
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:07 PM
Dec 2017

Franken didn't deserve this betrayal, and if Gillibrand ever runs for national office, this lifelong Democrat will never case a ballot for her.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
35. I remember some "lifelong Democrats" saying the same thing about Hillary
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:34 PM
Dec 2017

And where did that get us?

Do you honestly think Franken would want Democrats to divide over this? If you do, you don't know much about Franken.

onenote

(42,684 posts)
37. If Minnesota goes red because Democrats don't vote the Democratic candidate
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:35 PM
Dec 2017

It's on the heads of those short sighted Democrats.

Do you honestly think Franken wants Minnesota to lose a Democratic senate seat?

Geez....

onenote

(42,684 posts)
31. I'm sure it will be coordinated so that Franken's resignation takes effect upon the certification
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:31 PM
Dec 2017

his replacement.

diva77

(7,639 posts)
27. contact info for Gov. Dayton - I just called to urge him to not accept a resignation
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:16 PM
Dec 2017

Send your questions and comments to Governor Dayton and Lt. Governor Smith
Telephone Numbers

Telephone: 651-201-3400
Toll Free: 800-657-3717
Minnesota Relay: 800-627-3529
Fax: 651-797-1850

Staffed office hours are: Monday-Friday, 8a.m.- 5p.m.

I also called Al's DC office to urge him to not resign -- and someone actually answered the phone; all other Minn. offices no one answers and voicemail is full.
Al Franken
DC Office
309 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-5641

onenote

(42,684 posts)
33. And if he doesn't "accept it", what then?
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:32 PM
Dec 2017

He doesn't have the power to reject Franken's attempt to resign. And Franken, if he is set on resigning as appears to be the case, can simply force the issue by saying he's going to resign as of x date whether or not his successor has been named.

diva77

(7,639 posts)
36. I tried to ask the person who answered whether the gov. had that power and he didn't know, so thanks
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:35 PM
Dec 2017

for clearing that up. Still, it's good for the gov. to know people don't want Franken to resign.

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
38. Franken hasn't resigned or even given a date of resignation, we should remember.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 06:42 PM
Dec 2017

I feel that he won't head out the door until at least after the tax bill vote. He knows he'll be needed there and that it's an important thing. As far as I'm aware, until his last day on the job, his votes count and can't be deemed ineligible.

My hope is that the governor or someone else persuades him to change his mind (can the gov refuse his resignation?), or to at least let the Ethics Committee do its job in the time before he resigns. They could well clear his name and remove any need for a resignation at all. Franken defends his own innocence but offers no reason for leaving, so I tend to assume he's trying to prevent yet another rumored scandal from bogging things down.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. I wish, but I'm afraid that's not so.
Tue Dec 12, 2017, 07:33 PM
Dec 2017

He can't do the job if his co-Senators and especially Schumer don't want him there. It's a group. You're either one of the group, or you're not, is my understanding.

This is so wrong. But I'm sure Dems will forgive and forget and move on. I won't. I'm cursed with a memory for injustices. I never forget.

Jose Garcia

(2,592 posts)
48. But what wasn't expected is that she does not intend to be a placeholder
Wed Dec 13, 2017, 12:11 PM
Dec 2017

Smith, a Democrat, will also run in that election to complete the final two years of Franken's term, a Democratic operative said on condition of anonymity because that person wasn't authorized to speak ahead of Dayton's 10 a.m. announcement.

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