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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,370 posts)
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:35 PM Jan 2018

Updated: Frank Lloyd Wright building in Whitefish demolished

Source: Missoulian

Updated: Frank Lloyd Wright building in Whitefish demolished

PERRY BACKUS pbackus@missoulian.com Jan 11, 2018 Updated 7 hrs ago

WHITEFISH A Frank Lloyd Wright-designed building in Whitefish was demolished overnight after a last-minute flurry of fundraising to save it failed to raise $1.7 million by a Jan. 10 deadline.

Listed on the National Register of Historic Places, the Lockridge Medical Clinic Building was designed by the famous architect the year before his death in 1959.

The 5,000-square-foot building was purchased by Mick Ruis in 2016. He had put the property on the market last year for $1.7 million.

Ruis, the developer of Columbia Falls Cedar Creek Lodge and Convention Center, tore down the building to build a three-story commercial development that will include retail space, professional offices and housing units.



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Demolition Underway on Whitefishs Wright Building

http://flatheadbeacon.com/2018/01/10/demolition-underway-whitefishs-wright-building/

Last-minute negotiations fail despite offers by historic preservation group

By Tristan Scott // Jan 10, 2018

Despite eleventh-hour negotiations, efforts to save the historic Frank Lloyd Wright building in downtown Whitefish reached an impasse Wednesday as demolition got underway shortly after 5 p.m., with crews readying excavators to raze the structure on Central Avenue.

Crew leaders said completing the demolition work would likely take days, but the fate of the building was final after negotiations between preservation groups and the propertys owner, developer Mick Ruis, caved hours earlier.

The efforts to save the building included an attempt Wednesday to negotiate a $1.7 million purchase by the Chicago-based Frank Lloyd Wright Building Conservancy, but Ruis ultimately rejected the finer points of the deal and made a counteroffer that was untenable, according to the group.

The board of directors of the Frank Lloyd Wright Building Conservancy agreed the owners proposals provided no realistic path to acquiring the building, short of an investor willing to put down $1.7 million cash without reasonable time to complete their own due diligence on the property, Barbara Gordon, executive director of the Conservancy, said. We certainly attempted to make that happen alongside many other options we explored in the incredibly brief window of time we were given to find a new solution We in the preservation community are all incredibly disappointed by this outcome, to say the least.

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https://twitter.com/FlatheadBeacon

We in the preservation community are all incredibly disappointed by this outcome http://flatheadbeacon.com/2018/01/10/demolition-underway-whitefishs-wright-building/ Developer begins demolition of historic Frank Lloyd Wright building hours after last ditch effort to save it falls through



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Frank Lloyd Wright was the inspiration for the character Howard Roark in Ayn Rand's novel "The Fountainhead." The book begins, "Howard Roark laughed."
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Updated: Frank Lloyd Wright building in Whitefish demolished (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 OP
History - and the end of history. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #1
Disgraceful. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #24
Something about Whitefish smells very fishy ToxMarz Jan 2018 #2
Sounds like a shithole of a town RandomAccess Jan 2018 #4
Actually, blue-wave Jan 2018 #6
Sooo...Actually, ToxMarz Jan 2018 #32
It's a blue area blue-wave Jan 2018 #33
Ok, that's the laugh I needed to close out this day! NBachers Jan 2018 #17
It was a nice little town Retrograde Jan 2018 #8
It's about as liberal as you can get in that area NickB79 Jan 2018 #30
That was a nice building. How sad. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #3
I only heard that story within the last year or so... CBHagman Jan 2018 #15
Reminds me of the Taliban smashing the Bamiyan Buddha. torius Jan 2018 #5
Except that those statues would have stood for centuries Orrex Jan 2018 #26
Ive seen many FLW properties up close including Taliesin truthisfreedom Jan 2018 #7
Thank you. Crash2Parties Jan 2018 #9
Which is why I think Wright Retrograde Jan 2018 #10
Not everything he did was wondrous. eggplant Jan 2018 #11
Gammage Auditorium at ASU is gorgeous sweetloukillbot Jan 2018 #13
It's been said that he was a great architect, but a poor marybourg Jan 2018 #12
God, I forgot about the terrifying experience that is the Gammage balcony... sweetloukillbot Jan 2018 #14
Yep. nt marybourg Jan 2018 #16
He had a penchant for corner windows eggplant Jan 2018 #19
Didn't the original owners of Fallingwater want to replace some furniture, and he pitched a fit? Demit Jan 2018 #23
Yes. eggplant Jan 2018 #31
I don't know about "poor" in terms of engineering GreenEyedLefty Jan 2018 #20
I believe he had engineers who would point out structural issues, but Demit Jan 2018 #22
i'd say he was beyond materials of the day. i did see a doc on the restoration of a older FLW house. pansypoo53219 Jan 2018 #25
Well, yes, but have we seen the design that Mick Ruis is proposing? Maybe it's a masterpiece. NBachers Jan 2018 #18
What kind of idiot thinks that is a good idea? Don't let them near the "Mona Lisa." Vinca Jan 2018 #21
Listed on the National Register of Historic Places....why do i always hear about this same little lunasun Jan 2018 #27
What a craven jerk. ucrdem Jan 2018 #28
Flat-roofed homes in snowy climates .... kwassa Jan 2018 #29

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
24. Disgraceful.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jan 2018

I guess the right hopes that by destroying history, they can destroy American values.

Not gonna happen. We will destroy the right.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
2. Something about Whitefish smells very fishy
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:57 PM
Jan 2018

Home of :

Sect of Interior Ryan Zinke (who hates to fly commercial)

Whitefish Energy (two guys and a van who were going to get $300 million no bid contract to restore Puerto Rico's electricity)

Amyntor Group (who along with Eric Prince et al is lobbying Trump and Repug's to set up their own Private Intelligence Agency)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/trump-administration-mulls-private-rendition?utm_term=.mryDaaQBp#.kgD3RRyMv

Richard Spencer (alt-right nazi).

All in a small Montana town of 6500 residents

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
6. Actually,
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jan 2018

per the article in the link below, it "is an enclave of Clinton supporters in a largely conservative state." Sounds like a great place to me. Hopefully their luck will turn around and the neo-nazi crawls back into whatever neanderthal hole from whence he came.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/05/richard-spencer-whitefish-neo-nazi-march

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
32. Sooo...Actually,
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 01:41 AM
Jan 2018

it's an enclave of Clinton supporters ...AND it sounds like a great place, BUT hopefully their luck will turn around and the neo-nazi's crawl back into whatever Neanderthal hole from whence he came. In a town of 6500, with all these current republican billionaire embedded representatives in residence/or on site. You present an irrefutable argument, clearly nothing to see here!

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
33. It's a blue area
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 02:03 AM
Jan 2018

in a sea of red. Too bad you want to sell out all the good for the few bad apples that are rotting on the tree.

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
8. It was a nice little town
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:04 PM
Jan 2018

when I was there 25 years ago - not that I remember that much about it other than the bugs by the lake.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
30. It's about as liberal as you can get in that area
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:25 PM
Jan 2018

Spent time there in 1994, and it was beautiful. Just outside Glacier Natl Park, making money off the tourism.

But since it is upper Montana, owning less than 5 guns or driving a Prius would qualify as liberal there.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
3. That was a nice building. How sad.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jan 2018

Reminds me of Trump smashing the Art Deco panels on the building that was demolished to build Trump Tower.

CBHagman

(16,984 posts)
15. I only heard that story within the last year or so...
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:43 AM
Jan 2018

...but of course by then Trump was proposing elimination of every last humanities, arts, and public broadcasting entity that came out of the LBJ years, as well as looking to inflict deep cuts in medical and science research. It's all the same pattern -- no sense of the greater good, of history, of even a functioning society.

truthisfreedom

(23,141 posts)
7. Ive seen many FLW properties up close including Taliesin
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jan 2018

East and West, and seriously, some of them are so incredibly poorly constructed it’s completely disheartening. Taliesin East needs to be completely rebuilt (and part of it is). Whoever buys an original FLW should really have it thoroughly inspected. Yes, he was brilliant. Way ahead of his time. But his designs were way ahead of the building materials available during his era, as well as construction techniques, and were further ecascerbated by the limits imposed by the great depression.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
9. Thank you.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:17 PM
Jan 2018

From what I've read this one was a med center, a bank & then a law office. Maybe something else in there, too. Each had remodels such as the drive-through for the bank. None appeared to have put much into maintenance, visible in the condition of the wood in recent pics.

Hope someone remembered to grab the red FLW tile before it was smashed...

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
10. Which is why I think Wright
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:17 PM
Jan 2018

was not a good architect: IMHO a good architect designs buildings that can actually be built and that can actually be used by the people who are going to live in them. I don't think the Great Depression is the culprit: Wright built some housed for industrialist Darwin Martin in Buffalo in the early 1900s. They looked nice, but couldn't cope with the Buffalo climate. They've spent most of the last century being repaired. The people who worked in Wright's now-vanished Larkin Administration building apparently hated the environment. I still don't know how he managed to design the Marin Civic Center to be dank in a California summer.

Wright's buildings look nice, but I find them more a tribute to Wright's ego than machines for living and working in. I not sure I would tear one down, though.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
11. Not everything he did was wondrous.
Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jan 2018

And much of his designs were never meant to live in (or even be comfortable). It is sad to see such a place go, but I don't think it diminishes his legacy.

I enjoyed Taliesin West when I saw it, but I was much more impressed with Arcosanti. FLW doesn't hold any exclusivity on creativity.

sweetloukillbot

(11,000 posts)
13. Gammage Auditorium at ASU is gorgeous
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:29 AM
Jan 2018

And it's completely impractical, with insufficient bathrooms, doors, or accessibility to the seats.
I love seeing shows there, but it's so poorly thought out for ease of access.
Ultimately that's what I think of Wright, a triumph of aesthetic over ease of use.

marybourg

(12,607 posts)
12. It's been said that he was a great architect, but a poor
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 12:26 AM
Jan 2018

engineer. After 1 experience, I refuse to sit in the balcony of his auditorium on the U of AZ campus, for any show where clapping or foot-stomping might occur.

sweetloukillbot

(11,000 posts)
14. God, I forgot about the terrifying experience that is the Gammage balcony...
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:31 AM
Jan 2018

I've been to a couple shows where it felt like it was going to collapse. Never again. I only sit on the lower level on a aisle seat if I can manage.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
19. He had a penchant for corner windows
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:56 AM
Jan 2018

Where two perpendicular pieces form a corner without glazing, so they can open outward together. Visually, it's very appealing. Of course, they don't seal properly. They are a feature at Fallingwater, and apparently at this building as well, although in this case they probably don't open.

And the furniture at Fallingwater is impossible to sit in with only right angles. I believe it was a requirement of his that the furniture not be replaced. Great for photos, terrible to actually use.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
23. Didn't the original owners of Fallingwater want to replace some furniture, and he pitched a fit?
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jan 2018

He was a control freak and a megalomaniac.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
20. I don't know about "poor" in terms of engineering
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 07:26 AM
Jan 2018

He did design the Imperial Hotel in Tokyo, which was one of the few buildings left standing after the 1923 earthquake there.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
22. I believe he had engineers who would point out structural issues, but
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:21 AM
Jan 2018

he would ignore their advice. It was always more about his vision than about function.

pansypoo53219

(20,968 posts)
25. i'd say he was beyond materials of the day. i did see a doc on the restoration of a older FLW house.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:04 PM
Jan 2018

termites & water damage & 'up-grades'.

too rich & too dumb.

NBachers

(17,096 posts)
18. Well, yes, but have we seen the design that Mick Ruis is proposing? Maybe it's a masterpiece.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:35 AM
Jan 2018

sarcasm thingie

Sounds like Ruis was being kind of a prick by changing his terms and setting impossible time limits on the people working to preserve the building.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
27. Listed on the National Register of Historic Places....why do i always hear about this same little
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jan 2018

town and it is never a good thing??
"We in the preservation community are all incredibly disappointed by this outcome, to say the least."

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
28. What a craven jerk.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jan 2018

Apparently he got a $1.7 million offer by his impossible deadline and he nuked it anyway. Even if it was dilapidated it was a community asset that stood for earlier aspirations. Apparently it had amenities that were bold their day including a fireplace in the waiting room and indoor-outdoor planter:



Now Wright's innovations are old hat, and the building might have looked dated, but his name is still golden and if the developer had a brain he'd have found a way to incorporate some element of the original structure into his 3-story instant eyesore so as to preserve the connection and increase his ROI. But no.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
29. Flat-roofed homes in snowy climates ....
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:24 PM
Jan 2018

a recipe for roof leaks. We had an very contemporary house with that exact problem.

My parents also shopped a Wright house in a nearby college town. It was too small and too dark for our family. It was purchased later by the single curator of the college art museum, who restored it. Good for her.

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