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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:17 PM Jan 2018

Investigators Are Scrutinizing Newly Uncovered Payments By The Russian Embassy

Source: BuzzFeed News

Officials investigating the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 US presidential election are scrutinizing newly uncovered financial transactions between the Russian government and people or businesses inside the United States.

Records exclusively reviewed by BuzzFeed News also show years of Russian financial activity within the US that bankers and federal law enforcement officials deemed suspicious, raising concerns about how the Kremlin’s diplomats operated here long before the 2016 election.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, charged with investigating Russian election interference and possible collusion by the Trump campaign, is examining these transactions and others by Russian diplomatic personnel, according to a US official with knowledge of the inquiry. The special counsel has broad authority to investigate “any matters” that “may arise” from his investigation, and the official said Mueller’s probe is following leads on suspicious Russian financial activity that may range far beyond the election.

The transactions reveal:

One of the people at the center of the investigation, the former Russian ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak, received $120,000 ten days after the election of Donald Trump. Bankers flagged it to the US government as suspicious in part because the transaction, marked payroll, didn’t fit prior pay patterns.

Read more: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/newly-uncovered-russian-payments-are-a-focus-of-election?utm_term=.dskxzLAm0#.ydXvBpJZl

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Investigators Are Scrutinizing Newly Uncovered Payments By The Russian Embassy (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2018 OP
I have been saying this for a very long time, this investigation will find Javaman Jan 2018 #1
I have been saying the same thing. I think the corruption is wide and deep. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #3
McClatchy did a piece last year on kremlin money going to Ryan. McConnell, Scott Walker and others. PSPS Jan 2018 #24
To political PACs benefiting them. Of course, Repubs Hortensis Jan 2018 #30
And many other GOPers as well Iliyah Jan 2018 #51
And the idea that they did all this and then sat back on election day and let YOU (me, etc) Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #29
Paying off the Bots' Facebook and Twitter accounts Botany Jan 2018 #2
+++ Agree iluvtennis Jan 2018 #4
Yes, parts of the FBI are corrupt. It would be a stroke of genius for Putin to have used Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #5
I don't know if corrupt is the right word about parts of the FBI* ... Botany Jan 2018 #6
Semantics. lark Jan 2018 #9
And then throughout it all PatSeg Jan 2018 #12
Putin should be thrilled, he did a brilliant job of subverting American democracy Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #14
He truly is PatSeg Jan 2018 #17
Yes exactly, he played the long game. He mastered KGB lessons Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #20
Agreed. Look for a Putin-ese cyber villian in a future Bond movie. brush Jan 2018 #28
One where Russia and China take over the world. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #44
Obama had putin by the balls BUT bluestarone Jan 2018 #36
I think Obama had Putin's number big time. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #45
Americans PatSeg Jan 2018 #41
China is the absolute best at the long game. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #46
I agree PatSeg Jan 2018 #49
Yes, but we have to accept that the US is losing its status as sole superpower. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #50
I have been thinking the same thing PatSeg Jan 2018 #52
China and India have larger armies than we do, we are #3 and NK is #4. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #53
People in this country PatSeg Jan 2018 #54
I agree, sci fi writers nailed it. American dystopia here we are. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #55
And he has 45 million Americans actively supporting him , rooting for him (PUtin) to Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #31
You gotta hand it to Putin, he even gets millions of Americans actively supporting him Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #47
If they didn't work with Putin, they laid the groundwork for him. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #22
Putin is well known for using people in such a way they don't know they are being used. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #10
The whole GOP/Putin/Trump infection is wide and deep and God only knows how big it is Botany Jan 2018 #11
If I were Putin I would have bought some media assets. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #13
I might be wrong but I think Fox News is now working for Trump/Putin Botany Jan 2018 #15
I do not think you are wrong. Putin is using a global network of propaganda. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #16
Example BadgerMom Jan 2018 #23
Of course, they have to divide a successful blue state which is a threat to the GOP. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #48
This is Super Power espionage being played out on a global scale bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #7
Is this a new Cold War or is it the same BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #18
I'd say it was a new one, wouldn't you? Russia was defeated/failed Hortensis Jan 2018 #33
I have to agree with you. BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #42
Well, we'll see. A lot of people go to prison we never Hortensis Jan 2018 #43
They went online...bots, facebook, Assange, etc. They were ahead of us in that area. brush Jan 2018 #32
Thank you pnwmom for staying on Trump-Russia, bringing us important developments all the time. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #8
You're very welcome, Bernardo! nt pnwmom Jan 2018 #19
Uh-oh. Some likely benficiaries, in my opinion: lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #21
Sure but this is "only " $120K in cash FakeNoose Jan 2018 #26
That 120k was meant for specific targets. Just a few thousand can buy some people. brush Jan 2018 #34
We already know that Lindsay Graham got $800,000 last year FakeNoose Jan 2018 #35
I believe you. They're probably being cultivated for future use just as trump was. brush Jan 2018 #37
The $120k probably was for Kislyak as a performance bonus lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #39
Yep it was his Christmas bonus FakeNoose Jan 2018 #40
Great names! not fooled Jan 2018 #27
Nunes is sweating bullets that there is a receipt with his name on it. nt NCjack Jan 2018 #38
k & r L. Coyote Jan 2018 #25

Javaman

(62,515 posts)
1. I have been saying this for a very long time, this investigation will find
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jan 2018

that the russian influence is systemic through out our political system. with the vast majority of it by the repukes.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
3. I have been saying the same thing. I think the corruption is wide and deep.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jan 2018

Russia cultivated more than one Russian asset.
If I was Putin, I would have targeted all three branches of government and the media.

PSPS

(13,590 posts)
24. McClatchy did a piece last year on kremlin money going to Ryan. McConnell, Scott Walker and others.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 02:54 PM
Jan 2018

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. To political PACs benefiting them. Of course, Repubs
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

were the ones who wrote federal laws making all this legal and possible... They also, of course, brought cases like Citizens United to conservatives on SCOTUS to make it all legal and possible.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
51. And many other GOPers as well
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jan 2018

That's why GOPers are trying to stop Mueller's investigation. Also, EC's were rigged.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
29. And the idea that they did all this and then sat back on election day and let YOU (me, etc)
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jan 2018

decide who would be elected is ABSURD!

Russians have hundreds of undercover spies here, some have been here for decades, some BORN here.

They work in computer labs, they work at voting precincts, are politicians and work in the media.

How naive are we? Hillary didnt go from a sizable lead, even after comey did what he did, to losing , did not happen

Botany

(70,488 posts)
2. Paying off the Bots' Facebook and Twitter accounts
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jan 2018

Russia rigged our elections with the help of Team Trump, the GOP, parts of the FBI,
and much of the media.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
5. Yes, parts of the FBI are corrupt. It would be a stroke of genius for Putin to have used
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jan 2018

and cultivated them to further his agenda.

Botany

(70,488 posts)
6. I don't know if corrupt is the right word about parts of the FBI* ...
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jan 2018

.... more like they are right wing agents and if working with and or ignoring Russia's
actions during the elections gets their goals done then they are/were fine w/that.

* NYC's FBI office, Rudy G., and Eric Prince.

lark

(23,091 posts)
9. Semantics.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jan 2018

I think any FBI members who worked with Russia and who lied to hurt Clinton's chances are by definition corrupt. They are working against our country's best interests to further the rw and Russian goals, and subvert our used to be liberal democracy.

PatSeg

(47,386 posts)
12. And then throughout it all
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jan 2018

is the money. Clearly the Russians have been using money to buy what and who they want. Then they can add a dash of blackmail for good measure. They are pros at this sort of thing and they have the money and resources to implement it. We have the gullible and greedy stooges who fall for it. Putin must be so thrilled with himself.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
14. Putin should be thrilled, he did a brilliant job of subverting American democracy
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jan 2018

without firing a shot.

He is an evil genius.

PatSeg

(47,386 posts)
17. He truly is
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:11 PM
Jan 2018

The world is an elaborate game board to him and he is a master player. Plus he has great patience. He planted seeds years ago and waited for them to sprout. The KGB taught him well.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
20. Yes exactly, he played the long game. He mastered KGB lessons
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jan 2018

and applied them to a global strategy. He has targeted Europe as well.

He truly is a genius, a maniacal one, but a genius.

Edited to add: No wonder Obama hates Putin, Obama is a good genius.

bluestarone

(16,900 posts)
36. Obama had putin by the balls BUT
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:24 PM
Jan 2018

DIPSHIT tRUMP released him! I give FULL RESPECT to OBAMA (HE KNEW FOR SURE)

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
45. I think Obama had Putin's number big time.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 09:29 PM
Jan 2018

He tried to warn the GOP and they didn't care.
I often wonder what Obama thought when he left those meetings with the GOP
who didn't care what Putin was doing to the US.

He was probably disappointed, but not surprised.

PatSeg

(47,386 posts)
41. Americans
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jan 2018

both in politics and in business rarely play the long game. Quick fixes, instant gratification, and short-sightedness plague us as a nation.

Obama really did have Putin's number and no wonder Putin hated Obama in return!

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
46. China is the absolute best at the long game.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:16 PM
Jan 2018

And they have a dictatorship so they can also get a lot done in a short period of time.
They can set very high goals and attain them on time or before.

America is the opposite, cannot do anything in a timely manner.
Cannot set goals and reach them.
And has no long term planning ability or patience.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
50. Yes, but we have to accept that the US is losing its status as sole superpower.
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jan 2018

And there is nothing that we can do about it.
China, Russia, India, Africa will rise in status and we will fall.

Our leadership is corrupt and unwilling to govern.
They serve only themselves.

Obama was moral, ethical, and smart and did what he could.
But he could not overcome the essential problem that congress
refuses to govern. Even his own party gave him a hard time
when he tried to pass health care legislation.

PatSeg

(47,386 posts)
52. I have been thinking the same thing
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 12:35 PM
Jan 2018

Just saying how "great" we are, will not make it so. The only thing that would appear to make us a superpower would probably be our military, but I think we are in rapid decline. Our middle class is evaporating, our infrastructure is crumbling, our government can't govern, our schools can't educate, and our leaders are corrupt and incompetent.

Either this is the beginning of the end or the start of a revolution.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
53. China and India have larger armies than we do, we are #3 and NK is #4.
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jan 2018

So just being a strong military force does not determine super power status.

The other points you raise are right on, these are the reasons we are not going
to be a superpower much longer.

I do not think the Americans have the will or stomach for a revolution. They
are kept docile by an intense propaganda program, and trying to survive
economically.

PatSeg

(47,386 posts)
54. People in this country
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jan 2018

became more absorbed with consumerism and mass media quite some time ago. The dystopia of futuristic science fiction is becoming a reality. Our best prophets often are science fiction writers. So many warnings, yet so few heeded.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
55. I agree, sci fi writers nailed it. American dystopia here we are.
Thu Jan 18, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jan 2018

America lost its way some time ago.
And we are going to be left behind.
Because we are a backward, racist, violent country with corrupt leaders.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
31. And he has 45 million Americans actively supporting him , rooting for him (PUtin) to
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jan 2018

steal more elections.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
47. You gotta hand it to Putin, he even gets millions of Americans actively supporting him
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jan 2018

and Russian interference.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
22. If they didn't work with Putin, they laid the groundwork for him.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jan 2018

Putin could not have made so much progress without the right wing zealots
doing the heavy lifting.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
10. Putin is well known for using people in such a way they don't know they are being used.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jan 2018

The FBI broke the law (Hatch Act) and acted in an unethical way that directly benefits Putin.

But yes, I agree, we don't know if it was direct or indirect collaboration with Putin.

Botany

(70,488 posts)
11. The whole GOP/Putin/Trump infection is wide and deep and God only knows how big it is
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jan 2018

But one thing we can be sure of is that the GOP/Trump/and parts of the media
are trying to cover "it" up or change the subject.

Botany

(70,488 posts)
15. I might be wrong but I think Fox News is now working for Trump/Putin
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jan 2018

R.T. and Jill Stein are both bought and paid for by Russia/Putin.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
16. I do not think you are wrong. Putin is using a global network of propaganda.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jan 2018

There was an article in the NYT about it last year.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
23. Example
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 02:49 PM
Jan 2018

Last week on Fox Tucker Carlson told the lie that California is the nation’s most poverty stricken state. Cue Russia Today stating this week that there is a movement afoot to divide California because people here are so dissatisfied. It’s Fox working with RT, I think. Wendi Deng has some great kompromat on Rupert.

Irish_Dem

(46,893 posts)
48. Of course, they have to divide a successful blue state which is a threat to the GOP.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 10:19 PM
Jan 2018

And to the unity of the country.
Benefits Putin and the GOP.

I think Putin has assets in the media.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
7. This is Super Power espionage being played out on a global scale
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jan 2018

We've been at this since post WWI, or even the early 1900s

The big world events - armistaces that ended wars, the Berlin Wall, the fall of the U.S.S.R. - they didn't end espionage or the advantages that espionage tries to capture. The interests behind the espionage just morphed into another group or went underground, and kept on ticking.

Infiltration aside, somewhere along the line we let our guard down.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
18. Is this a new Cold War or is it the same
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:21 PM
Jan 2018

one that Putin was/is still fighting or just updated with newer technology to use as a weapon?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. I'd say it was a new one, wouldn't you? Russia was defeated/failed
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:13 PM
Jan 2018

devastatingly but has been hurting from loss of its empire and superpower status ever since. New realities, new leaders, new weapons. Like Germany in the 1930s.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
42. I have to agree with you.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 07:22 PM
Jan 2018

This is a new situation with some of the same attitudes, tactics and even players. They are still our enemy and those in the US government are traitors for working with them and their interests. When they are caught there is no just punishment in their future though. Many will never face charges and if they do they will get off with little more than a slap on the wrist. When half the country isn't even pressuring the GOP and the admin to implement the signed sanctions or concerned about ongoing collusion and future election fraud in 6 months it will continue unfettered. Americans aren't taking this "new" Cold War seriously enough.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Well, we'll see. A lot of people go to prison we never
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 08:53 PM
Jan 2018

hear about, not secret, just arrested years after for crimes hard to explain to readers in articles in back pages, tried and sentenced later still.

And that was before 2016 and investigation into Russia's aggression in the news every day. I really do think this will be different, though of course it will turn out that many laws are inadequate, and even more of course some will be able to use power to avoid prosecution.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. Uh-oh. Some likely benficiaries, in my opinion:
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 01:40 PM
Jan 2018

The Turd Organization
Dustbin Nunes
Mitch McTurtle
Dana Russiabacker

FakeNoose

(32,626 posts)
26. Sure but this is "only " $120K in cash
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jan 2018

That's not going very far with this crowd. These guys are taking big money from the likes of Robert Mercer and the Koches. If this cash transfer to Kislyak turns out to be one of many, then OK maybe it's GOP payoff money of some kind.

But if this is the only one Kislyak got, then maybe it's his annual bonus or something. Maybe Putin gave all his honchos bonuses when Trump won the election. Further investigation is needed to know for sure.

brush

(53,764 posts)
34. That 120k was meant for specific targets. Just a few thousand can buy some people.
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jan 2018

I doubt it's the only money Kislyak and others distributed.

FakeNoose

(32,626 posts)
35. We already know that Lindsay Graham got $800,000 last year
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 03:19 PM
Jan 2018

He didn't even run for office, so that's small potatoes. They guys who got re-elected, I'm sure they took more than that from the Russians. Every penny was illegal, so why did they take it? What did they do for it?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
39. The $120k probably was for Kislyak as a performance bonus
Wed Jan 17, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jan 2018

when Turd won.

I'll bet there are truckloads of Roubles that Mueller is tracking.

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