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Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:15 PM

Female journalists covering Pence in Israel forced to stand behind male colleagues

Source: Washington Post

Female journalists covering Pence in Israel forced to stand behind male colleagues

By Ruth Eglash January 23 at 11:24 AM

JERUSALEM If theres one thing female journalists covering the trip of Vice President Pence to Israel will remember it is the special treatment they received, first by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus security detail and second, in their unique vantage point while covering Pence's visit to the Western Wall on Tuesday.

At Netanyahus office on Monday morning, a visiting female journalist from Finlands state television was asked to remove her bra during an overly zealous and demeaning security check. When she refused, she was prevented from covering Pence's news conference with Netanyahu.

Then, on Tuesday, female journalists were particularly perturbed to discover that they had been relegated to covering Pences spiritual stop at the Western Wall, one of Judaisms holiest sites, from the other side of a fence.

The Western Wall the outer wall of the raised esplanade that is called the Temple Mount by Jews and al-Haram al-Sharif by Muslims is currently under the authority of the ultra-Orthodox Jewish Western Wall Heritage Foundation. According to custom, the plaza is divided by gender, with men praying on one side of a barrier and women on the other. ... For Pence's visit to the wall, the foundation set up two platforms side by side straddling the barrier. As Pence prayed on the mens side, however, it was impossible for the female journalists to see above the cameras and microphones held by their male colleagues.
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Ruth Eglash is a correspondent for The Washington Post based in Jerusalem. She formerly a reporter and senior editor at the Jerusalem Post and freelanced for international media. Follow @reglash

https://twitter.com/reglash/

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/23/for-female-journalists-strip-searches-and-segregation-mar-pences-visit-to-israel/



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Reply Female journalists covering Pence in Israel forced to stand behind male colleagues (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 OP
Iliyah Jan 2018 #1
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #8
Iliyah Jan 2018 #9
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #26
Hortensis Jan 2018 #11
LanternWaste Jan 2018 #13
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #20
TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #15
jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #18
elleng Jan 2018 #27
AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #37
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #38
AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #39
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #40
AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #41
whathehell Jan 2018 #43
louis-t Jan 2018 #2
Iggo Jan 2018 #3
dewsgirl Jan 2018 #4
mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2018 #6
cab67 Jan 2018 #7
Mosby Jan 2018 #32
procon Jan 2018 #5
HAB911 Jan 2018 #10
Yavin4 Jan 2018 #12
TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #14
Ilsa Jan 2018 #16
jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #17
TheFrenchRazor Jan 2018 #21
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #23
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #31
disalitervisum Jan 2018 #19
Duppers Jan 2018 #22
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #24
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #25
MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #28
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #30
Mosby Jan 2018 #33
Mosby Jan 2018 #34
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #35
Gothmog Jan 2018 #29
barbtries Jan 2018 #36
Kristofer Bry Jan 2018 #42

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:17 PM

1. Weak person. Can't be close to

W O M E N. Sad.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:17 PM

8. Pence had nothing to do with this.

He was required to go to the men's side, just as if he had attended an Orthodox Synagogue. Women and men are separated for the same reason girls and boys at parochial schools are separated -- to prevent distraction.

The Western Wall is not under control of the Israeli government. It's controlled by a private religious, organization.

If you visit, you follow the rules of the private religious organization.

Would you also insist on wearing shoes at a Mosque?

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:24 PM

9. I stand by my comment.

To my knowledge Pence doesn't mingle with women, only his wife.

Don't lecture me.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:11 PM

26. Pence is a vile and disgusting person who wants women to be killed in back alleys

and wants gay and trans Americans to be left at the doorstep of medical facilities to die.

He is an enemy of the human race.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:33 PM

11. As you say, Moshe. Thanks for contributing INFORMATION.

Information: Without it no understanding, without that no wisdom.



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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:50 PM

13. Silence implies consent.

"Pence had nothing to do with this..."
Silence implies consent.

But I get it... though it's tough to rationalize that icky girls should stay on their side of the room, many people are doing a fine, fine job of it.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 09:20 PM

20. How about icky boys?

Perhaps the ladies don't want to be around them?

There are also segregated trains and buses for women that desire not to be groped by perverted strangers, which is a real problem.

The Middle East is not the USA.

Don't go if you don't want to deal with their ways.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:05 PM

15. um, i wouldn't go there. religion is no excuse for bigotry, supremacist ideologies, or hate. nt

 

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:34 PM

18. And you have that right to

 

But Westerners riding into foreign countries imposing their morals and values isn't exactly something I want to encourage either.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:28 PM

27. Thanks for the explanation, Moshe.

While I rarely attended synagogue when I was growing up (in Brooklyn,) the situation was similar there, AND when visiting Wales.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:23 PM

37. He could have declined the visit then.

He wields enough authority/pull to NOT be complicit in this segregation, if he wanted to.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:32 PM

38. So Obama is bad, too?

Because he also respected the traditions at the Kotel.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:38 PM

39. Obama had a consistent track record of bucking that very thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/19/politics/obama-female-reporters-questions/index.html

Feel free to page me if Trump/Pence ever do anything remotely like it.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:20 PM

40. I'm not here to defend tRump



But attacking private 3500 year old religious practices is absurd.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:31 PM

41. I'd need that photo zoomed out a bit to know if you're comparing apples to apples here.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:51 AM

43. I'd have to question your analogy of the separation

of men and women at the Western Wall to that of the boys and girls in parochial school...The issue of gender distraction is relevant to children and adolescents in school - It should be much less so for adult males and females at a religious site.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:18 PM

2. Keep poking that hornet's nest, assholes.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:18 PM

3. Religion. Yay.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:20 PM

4. I believe something similar happened on Trump's first trip, they separated the male and female

Reporters.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:39 PM

6. "It was the same situation during President Trumps visit to the Western Wall in May 2017...."

“It was the same situation during President Trump’s visit to the Western Wall in May 2017,” said the foundation in a statement. “We reject any attempt to divert the discussion from the important and moving visit of the US Vice President and his wife at the Western Wall.”

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:52 PM

7. I was in Jerusalem a couple of years ago.

Men and women go to segregated parts of the Western Wall.

I grew up Catholic, but my wife (girlfriend at the time) is Jewish. I wanted to get a picture of her at the wall for her family, but had to take it from the male section, which is separated by a substantial fence from the female section.

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Response to cab67 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 02:22 PM

32. I had my bar mitzvah at the western wall

It was part of a summer vacation. When we got to J'lem me and my dad walked over to the kotel from the hotel. Since we were not orthodox Jews we didn't pay any attention to the fence and walked up on the woman's side. After a few minutes of talking I started noticing all these women staring at us and then I clued in that we were on the "wrong" side. No one said anything though. It was kinda funny really.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:38 PM

5. "Democracy" in action. nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:27 PM

10. Something to look forward to here

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:36 PM

12. Say, Pence is the Republican nominee for president, and the Democrats nominate a woman.

Would he be able to stand on a debate stage next to her? Or will he have to bring his wife with him on stage as a buffer?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:02 PM

14. what a bunch of BS; religion is no excuse for ignorance and hate. nt

 

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:29 PM

16. Then the women and their newspapers should ignore Pence

and Bibi and instead, cover humanitarian issues in the area. Get all of the media to get on board with the walk off.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:33 PM

17. What's the issue?

 

As far as I'm reading, this type of behavior is in deference to local religious beliefs, customs, and practices.

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 09:30 PM

21. so "religion" takes precedence over basic standards of right and wrong? i don't think so. nt

 

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:49 AM

23. So who is being wronged?

Boys or girls? As both face the same restrictions.

Do you also take umbrage at Muslim women who wear the hijab? Or Nancy Pelosi when she wore a veil at a Mosque?

Or is your umbrage limited to Jewish practices?

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:16 AM

31. The issue is easy

Jews are doing something. Ergo, it is bad.

Antisemitism is en vogue, and perfectly acceptable in polite company. Go to any given college campus to confirm.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 05:13 PM

19. Proves how worthless religion is

I personally respect the fact that there may be local religious traditions, etc., but for anyone who values the advancement of human beings, you simply don't participate in local religious traditions that discriminate and denigrate any category of people. Until we as a race decide that people have more value than superstition, nothing will ever change. Imagine how much more culturally and scientifically advanced we would be as a race if we had done without the thousands of years we have suffered locked in the chains of religious darkness.

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Response to disalitervisum (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 01:42 AM

22. Thank you!



"..for anyone who values the advancement of human beings, you simply don't participate in local religious traditions that discriminate and denigrate any category of people."

...

All three Abrahamic religions have historically devalued women; in fact, the fall of man is placed right at the feet of Eve, a perfect indication of the role women will play in the religions.


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Misogyny

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Response to Duppers (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:53 AM

24. Not exactly

"All three Abrahamic religions have historically devalued women; in fact, the fall of man is placed right at the feet of Eve, a perfect indication of the role women will play in the religions."

Actually, in Orthodox Judaism, the original failing was Adam's, in that G-d instructed him on the rules (don't eat) and he was too lazy to tell his wife exactly what G-d said -- and, in fact, changed what G-d said to "don't touch" -- thereby giving the serpent room to trick Eve.

But, hey, keep bashing stuff based on imperfect information for your agenda.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:09 PM

25. Women aren't allowed at the wall when the men are.

Israel is a misogynistic place...as far as I can tell. To a certain degree (and that's a pretty big degree...interfering with the performance of one's job). They say it arises from their religion. Women aren't allowed to study their religion like the men are, etc., etc. (See movie "Yentl." ) In the orthodox groups, it's my understanding that it's VERY restrictive to women...they are married off, don't have civil rights, can't get a divorce or take their children with them if they leave the sect, etc. (see movie "A Price Above Rubies" with Renee Zellweger)

But male U S officials ALWAYS still go to the wall, knowing all this.

I support Israel and the Jewish people. But there is this side of things that is offensive and anti-human rights, it seems.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:29 PM

28. Not exactly

The government of Israel permits women (and men) to study whatever they want.

Private religious groups restrict who gets in and does what. This is no different than anywhere.

I can't demand the Roman Catholic Church let me study to be a priest -- mainly because I'm Jewish.

But I also can't become a nun and join a convent.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 08:59 PM

30. I see. But the govt does not permit men & women to go to the wall...

at the same place or at the same time....something like that.

Religion is mixed a bit with Israel's government, as well. They are not totally separate.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 02:28 PM

33. they do in certain areas like Robinson's arch

That is a egalitarian prayer space used by Masorti and reform Jews.

It's unfortunate that the orthodox control the western wall site, it will change someday I hope.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 02:31 PM

34. israel is quite a bit more liberal than the US

The problem is that the orthodox, who only make up about 10-12 percent, have an outsized role in Israeli society and that affects things like marriage, divorce and access to holy sites.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 05:05 PM

35. I see. Yes, I was reading that the court system includes religious courts...

they have to abide by secular laws (I guess in some respects), but they govern cases regarding marriage, property, etc....re the religion. That spells trouble for women.

The courts also include courts for other laws, like sharia & whatever.

I can assure that such a system is NOT liberal insofar as it pertains to women and children.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:00 PM

29. Who is surprised by this?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Thu Jan 25, 2018, 07:41 PM

36. fuck fundamentalism

in all the major religions it boils down to women are not people.

this is infuriating.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:01 PM

42. Another Mideast country with Neanderthal ideas

 

I see Israel as being of a piece with its neighbors.

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