NSA DELETES HONESTY AND OPENNESS FROM CORE VALUES

[neohippie]

Source: The Intercept




On January 12, however, the NSA removed the mission statement page – which can still be viewed through the Internet Archive – and replaced it with a new version. Now, the parts about honesty and the pledge to be truthful have been deleted. The agency’s new top value is “commitment to service,” which it says means “excellence in the pursuit of our critical mission.”

Those are not the only striking alterations. In its old core values, the NSA explained that it would strive to be deserving of the “great trust” placed in it by national leaders and American citizens. It said that it would “honor the public’s need for openness.” But those phrases are now gone; all references to “trust,” “honor,” and “openness” have disappeared.

The agency previously stated on its website that it embraced transparency and claimed that all of its activities were aimed at “ensuring the safety, security, and liberty of our fellow citizens.” That has also been discarded

Read more: https://theintercept.com/2018/01/24/nsa-core-values-honesty-deleted/

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So the Post Truth- Alternative Facts of Trump world continue to trickle down in our government agency's policy changes.

We saw the State Department remove Human Rights concerns as a top priority of our foreign policy interactions in favor of economic opportunity and the wholesale clearing of staffers there and across the board in other agencies, the madness never ends, now we no longer need to be honest with ourselves anymore

[fleabiscuit]

1. Trust the intercept as far as you can throw Glenn Greenwald. nt

[neohippie]

3. You don't believe they changed their website

Apparently there is a Google history of the cached page that shows the changes

[keithbvadu2]

11. Are you attacking the messenger because you don't like the message? Is the story false?

Are you attacking the messenger because you don't like the message?

Is the story false?

[Hortensis]

40. Afraid it'll be true, but don't like hostile right-wing sources

leaping to bring it to us. And if you look right now, ONLY hostile, dishonest sources domestic and foreign are posting on this so far. And here's Intercept right among them.

We really should be proud of the enemies ranged against us. They say a lot about us, and I'm not talking about their lies.

[pazzyanne]

22. Here is the link to the NSA web site so you can check the validity yourself

https://www.nsa.gov/about/mission-values/

[keithbvadu2]

29. So pazzyanne proves the story true

[The Blue Flower]

2. If this is true, maybe someone on the inside is trying to educate the American public

It could actually be a backhanded political statement of protest by a patriot??????

[RandomAccess]

4. Isn't this General McMaster's wheelhouse?

[AtheistCrusader]

5. 'Open and Honest' is mostly a joke in corporate america too.

We had great sarcastic fun with it, when it became a core value in our reviews at Microsoft many moons ago.

[alarimer]

6. It never really was a core value of that criminal agency.

So, they've accidentally become MORE honest.

[pangaia]

7. I sure hope somebody is keeping track of everything that needs to be repaired decades from now.

[erronis]

15. That'd be a helluva list! I'm hoping there will be a "decades from now."

[Cryptoad]

8. Greenwald is lying ShitHole!

[neohippie]

9. didn't recall seeing him in the by line

So is all news just fake nowadays, no source is good, NY Times, can no longer be trusted either, I guess once a story has been retracted or a paper has a writer that people don't like, then the baby goes out with the bath water eh?

Y'all are a tough crowd, but I also should add I would rather hang around a bunch of smart ass folks than dumb asses, if you will forgive my honesty

[Cryptoad]

14. ummm ,,,,,

now where have i heard that argument before???????/
Hang in there Comrade!

[neohippie]

19. Are you suggesting I am some kind of Internet troll?

What are you suggesting?

I may not post much, but I have been on this board for a decade, and I am far from pro-russian, I have no love for any Russia-reset, for oil and gas profits and no tolerance for any of the KGOP enablers

[Cryptoad]

20. only i was suggesting

was just keep on keeping on

[neohippie]

23. I don't appreciate your insinuation

keep on barking up the wrong tree, with that weak personal attack

[Cryptoad]

27. not insinuating anything

no personal attack, unsure what ur problem is

[neohippie]

28. can you please explain

Okay I have probably just misunderstood your comment, so can you explain what you meant?

What was your intention when you posted about having seen my argument before, and then referred to me as comrade?

[Cryptoad]

31. com·rade ˈkmˌrad,ˈkmrəd/

noun: comrade; plural noun: comrades

a companion who shares one's activities or is a fellow member of an organization.
synonyms: companion, friend;

[neohippie]

33. doesn't seem completely truthful

com·rade
ˈkämˌrad,ˈkämrəd/Submit
noun

a companion who shares one's activities or is a fellow member of an organization.

synonyms: companion, friend; More

a fellow soldier or member of the armed services.

noun: comrade-in-arms

a fellow socialist or communist (often as a form of address).

But I will let it pass as my Russia paranoia has been in a highly elevated state since the KGOP has taken control of our government

[LanternWaste]

24. What a creatively inaccurate inference.

"So is all news just fake nowadays, no source is good, NY Times, can no longer be trusted either..."

What a creatively inaccurate inference, regardless of your alleged honesty.

[neohippie]

30. what makes you question my honesty?

I was just surprised by the attacking the story's accuracy because it appeared in a paper that Glenn Greenwald also writes for.

Judith Miller has written stories for the New York Times as well as other writers that later turned out to have been wildly inaccurate, was what what I was intending to reference by that remark and the attack on all media as being peddlers of fake news. I do think it's a good idea to question what you read, consider the source etc...

But this story, about an agency that is known for fronts and secrecy removing honesty and openness from their core values could have been an opportunity for some humorous banter seems to have turned for at least a couple of you into a game of let's prod the poster


Now I am curious as to why you question my honesty? Maybe I am just not as creative of a writer as you're suggesting

[TygrBright]

10. So... they're finally being honest that being honest doesn't matter to them... n/t

[orangecrush]

12. The intelligence services

may be what saves this country from Trumputin.

Fuck wikileaks, Greenwald, Snowden and the rest of the Russian puppets.

[Nitram]

13. Well, that's a big step forward. More honest, and less hypocricritical.

Really, intelligence services cannot function if they are honest and transparent with the entire population. They do, however, need to be open and honest with the elected officials with whom they are authorized to share classified information.

[dae]

25. Thats what I was thinking.

[lark]

16. The motto is still all lies.

If it said NSA under drumpfs leadership is here to promote treason to our country and allegiance to Russia & white oligarchs. they would be telling the truth.

[alarimer]

32. I hate the NSA

It is an incredibly dangerous institution and contrary to a free and open democracy. So, for that matter are all the spy agencies, but the NSA is the worst. They spy on us. At least the CIA only (usually) kills bad (according to them, at least) guys in foreign countries.

[Nitram]

38. The NSA has computers that search billions of emails looking for factors that have been

correlated with terrorist communications. They don't read your personal emails unless they are confirming that one that got caught up in the wide net is not related to terrorist activity. They couldn't red all those emails if they tried. In a world where terrorists could destroy a city with a nuclear device, or render it uninhabitable with a dirty bomb, I sleep better knowing we have the line of defense our intelligence agencies provide.

[Nitram]

34. I'll have to disagree. The FBI, the CIA and the NSA are all part of government resistance to Trump

because they are semi-autonomous. Trump has insulted them all, and they see Trump as a clear and present danger to the countries security.

[lark]

36. Career workers yes, but the heads of these are criminals hand selected by drumf.

Justice is giving rw congresscritters case notes from their drumpf investigation, so no protecting the country there, They are protecting the traitor in chief because that's who they are loyal to.

[Blue_Tires]

17. The Putincept should be fucking celebrating, shouldn't they?

After all, they are the ones who pimped as hard as anyone on the "left" for a Trump victory... Maybe First Look Media needs to look in the goddamned mirror and re-examine the "core values" they were founded under?

I'm old enough to remember when Greenwald printed slanted but still huge NSA stories... This isn't one of them....

[Nitram]

39. Blue, can you tell me where you found information that NSA managment, or the majority

of their employees rooted for Trump? As with the FBI and every other agency, there are conservatives and liberals among their ranks. But even intelligent conservatives (and those in the intelligence services are actually intelligent) were scared by the prospect of Trump for president.

[Blue_Tires]

41. I was saying the Intercept was whoring for Trump, not the NSA...

[The_jackalope]

18. Good move. An organization like the NSA shouldn't pretend to be what they're not.

For intel agencies, opacity and deceit are essential tools of their mission, at least the public-facing parts of it. To say anything else is hypocritical. I'd say that changing their mission statement was honest. They need to be open and honest to their oversight bodies only. That's where it ends. IMNSHO.

[OnyxSharpie]

21. Strangely enough, that makes them more open and honest

about their core values.

[bullwinkle428]

26. I was expecting "Onion" or "Borowitz Report", rather than "Intercept" as source.

[raven mad]

35. Don't you just adore "alternative facts"?

[jmowreader]

37. These are the Agency's core values as listed on its website

Commitment to Service
Respect for the Law
Integrity
Transparency
Respect for People
Accountability

The question is, how "open" does one expect an agency where EVERYTHING is classified to be?