Trump's Approval Ratings Plummet in Michigan, Key State That Backed Him in 2016

[demmiblue]

Source: Newsweek

Michigan seems to be flipping on President Donald Trump.

Voters in the key swing state that Trump unexpectedly won in 2016 now overwhelmingly disapprove of his performance after his first year in office, according to a new poll.

The survey, conducted by Glengariff Group Inc. on behalf of The Detroit News and WDIV, found that Trump's approval rating in the Great Lake States has dropped to 39.5 percent while his disapproval rating has risen to 54 percent. Women in Michigan voiced the loudest opposition, with 66 percent saying they "strongly" disapprove of Trump and 39 percent giving his first year in office an "F" grade.

"His approval ratings are terrible, it's that simple," Rich Czuba, who completed the study and founded the Glengariff Group, told The Detroit News. "We are the bellwether state at this point. Michigan is going to reflect what is occurring nationally."

Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-michigan-approval-rating-789395?utm_campaign=NewsweekTwitter&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

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In 2008, Obama won Michigan by almost 17 percentage points over McCain (and by almost 10 percentage points over Michigan-born Romney in 2012), so there is hope that we can flip the state back to blue in 2020.

[Ohiogal]

1. Took them long enough to wake up!

Now if only my state would follow suit.....

[ffr]

10. What about Grifter tRump didn't they see coming!!??

[louis-t]

2. In my office, most haven't flipped yet.

And these are supposedly smart people that make a lot of money.

[Cha]

38. Maybe they like their tax cuts over

everything else.

[louis-t]

39. They're running around bragging about doubling

the deduction for something or other. It's like they were asleep during the bush years. Our business was ruined. I keep telling them "bush gave us all $600 but cost us $100,000 in income. Not a good tradeoff."

[YessirAtsaFact]

51. They are probably po and oppressed white people

Woe is me is their favorite song around here.

[LisaM]

3. There were voting irregularities in Detroit.

They had huge issues with voting machines (broken, not enough) and the state refused to help. Voting was depressed to the point that it could have easily changed the outcome and no, if Hillary had spent the whole month of August campaigning in the UP, it wouldn't have changed the outcome. She was in Detroit the week before the election and Bill was there over Labor Day. Michigan should never have gone to Trump in the first place, but we need to get the voting machines in Detroit in order asap.

[brush]

8. This poll makes me think trump never really won MI. I heard about the irregularities...

in Detroit.

Allegedly ten of thousands of ballots were submitted without a vote for the president.

We're supposed to believe those results came out of an AA majority city.

[LisaM]

14. Yeah, there is a peculiar recount rule that also needs to be fixed.

I can't remember exactly how it works, but there's some Catch-22 written into the rules that if the number of ballots is different after the recount, then the recount can't be certified or some equally stupid thing.

I'm guessing that these problems also occurred in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. I know that there were problems in Milwaukee. They didn't even need Russian interference to job the counts in those states. And Jill Stein's ex post facto spurious recount efforts were extremely unhelpful. She just wanted to cement the GOP results for some reason. If she really cared, she could have spent that money helping assure fair voting systems were in place either this time or for next time.

[trixie2]

18. I agree the voting was horrible

To this day I don't think most of our votes counted. This is the first time I have seen where you fill out the ballot and they dropped them in packing boxes. The staff that usually run our polling place was completely replaced with young, I'll say it Republicans. We all called and could get no one on the phone from our city, county or state election officials.

[JustAnotherGen]

20. This is why we all have to volunteer

If someone can't because of work, health, family obligations - I get that. But those precincts where people got f*cked? We need to be there.

[trixie2]

24. The people who volunteer said they were told the spots had been filled

[crazycatlady]

50. that organizer should have been fired

There is never a capacity with volunteers. Find something for them to do.

[trixie2]

52. This is why I don't think Trump really won Michigan

I call shenanigans!

[TheFrenchRazor]

33. yep; i'm sure he'll "win" again in 2020. nt

[demmiblue]

48. I was watching as it unfolded. Grrr.

Fortunately, the city got new voting machines in August. They have the ability to print out additional ballots (one of the issues from 2016 was running out of ballots). That doesn't mean that the other issues won't occur, though.

[Botany]

4. The only reason Trump won MI was the 80,000 Detroit and Flint voters who ...

... showed up to vote but decided no to vote for POTUS.

[olddad56]

5. still way to high, should be like 3.5% approve.

[Faux pas]

6. Kicking with unbridled

GLEE

[Ragnaut]

7. I would feel better about it if Glengariff

hadn't felt the same way in 2016.
http://addictinginfo.com/2016/08/04/three-key-states-turn-themselves-solidly-blue-as-trump-train-derails/

I'm a little sour on surveys/polls these days.

[not fooled]

12. And the polling could have been accurate

but the voting (counting) not, because of uncounted ballots (purged voters), dysfunctional election processes (insufficient or nonworking machines, etc. in poor areas) etc.

[StevieM]

9. He only won Michigan, along with Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona,

because Comey rigged the election for him. Repeatedly.

[getagrip_already]

15. not just comey...

the house committees
the senate committees
the fbi
the russians
right wing media
msm

It was a perfect storm of hate and coordination. And don't discount ballot tampering and voter suppression.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. IIRC, MI was one of the, if not the last state to be called. nt

[SWBTATTReg]

13. This seems to be the thread across the country...

We are winning special elections...

Polls are trending towards non-GOP candidates...

Unpopularity of Congress and White House at record highs (while under republican control)...

Issues are on our side (latest 'tax cut' legislation was a joke to the majority of us)...

and tRUMP keeps opening his stupid mouth...you could not ask for a better megaphone...

[Skittles]

16. oh NOW they fucking get it?

FUCKING MORONS

[ffr]

19. Wouldn't it be nice if all the rubes and followers who voted for this shartcannon

abstained from voting in the coming elections? That would be the best righting of their wrong I can think of.

[Skittles]

21. the level of idiocy of anyone who thought Donald Fucking Trump was suitable to be PRESIDENT

*IT BOGGLES THE MIND*

[Sophia4]

17. Good news!

[wobblie]

22. Not if we foist another corporate Democrat on them

Sander would have taken Michigan hands down

[Wwcd]

29. That is a lie of a statement. Sanders has his own corporate deals also.

Maybe he & Russia Today can explain why 'Corporate Dem' was a negative meme pushed towards her & not to Sanders. This is bs from 2016 & no longer has a place here.

[catbyte]

34. And just what is "a corporate Democrat?" Do you live in Michigan? I do & I'm convinved it was STOLEN

[llmart]

40. I live in Michigan...

and I've been convinced our state was stolen since the election. There is no way in hell he won. Do we have pockets of uneducated white people who voted for him? Of course, but Michigan for the most part is blue.

[wobblie]

46. Clinton missing in action

I live in Michigan too
70,000 votes not counted in Detroit. Margin of Trump victory 17,000. Stein demanded a recount. Republican Court found she lacked standing because a recount would not be sufficient for a Stein victory. Clinton would have had standing. She and her campaign said no need for a recount.

[jayschool2013]

23. Gangster

[DFW]

25. I think the state already voted blue in 2016

It looks more and more to me like someone with a pocket calculator and a Stalinist* attitude toward vote-counting knew in advance of the actual counting of the votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin what the outcome would be. Whether it was the Republican governors working with their secretaries of state or Putin or both, doesn't really matter now. But the margin of Trump's "victory" in all three was so similarly tiny as to be suspicious, since these three states tipped the election.

*Stalin is reputed to be the source of the observation that "those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." This sentiment was echoed in 2004 on election day on the lawn of the Bush Lite White House by a somewhat inebriated Republican congressman Peter King (R-NY), perhaps letting his drink infuse him with a bit more honesty than he would have used when sober:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BE&v=7dV67u370Pg

[tiredtoo]

26. Two comments from Michigan voters may explain this

First a young African American man told me. "Most of us don't think it makes a difference."
Second an older African American man said to us. "Don't come knocking on my door once every two years asking for help."
I want to add this.
A white man who i have known for years as a Democrat told me he voted for trump. said he wanted to "shake em up".

[llmart]

41. A couple of anecdotes don't mean a thing.

I work at a Michigan university and come in contact with all sorts of young African American men and know many of them personally and I can't think of a one of them that voted for Trump. However, it might be because they are more educated given it's a university setting and we all know that most Trump supporters aren't that educated.

[tiredtoo]

43. Wasn't suggesting they voted for trump

rather the turnout was less than expected from African Americans.
It appears you missed the point i was trying to make completely.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Even better when you realize there is NO FUCKING WAY trump won that state in the first place.

Hundreds of KGB agents on the ground working in polling precincts, computer companies, etc.

[Wwcd]

28. Thanks. This is the truth.

Trump didn't win these states.
They were manipulated for the outcome the Kremlin needed.

[TwistOneUp]

37. True dat!

In 2008, Anons watched as peeps at remote sites opened VPN tunnels to the voting servers. The Anons were unsure about whether the tunnels were legit (they weren't) and thus were unprepared to deal with the tunnels. In 2012, the Anons had concluded that the peeps that opened the tunnels were Bad Guys and the Anons actually shut down the tunnels. In 2016 the Bad Guys decided to not use tunnels, as they could not prevent Anons from blocking them. Instead, they went with The Local Guy option.

Peeps that used to work for the Feds in network security were replaced months before the election by a private consulting firm that was contracted to "take network security to the next level" . What BS. The next level apparently was the FSB and Russian hackers, hired as "Voting Server Monitors" .

The Monitors turned OFF all the audit features on the voting machines. If the audit feature was On, then a .pdf of the completed ballot would be created. With no auditing, the Monitors were free to modify the voting with locally-applied malware, and no one's the wiser.

The ONLY way around this is to use paper ballots and multiple voting judges, randomly drawn, at each polling place. Number the boxes containing the completed ballots, seal them, and take digital pix of the numbered, sealed boxes.

It should be noted that all the companies that make voting machines are run by GOPers... But I'm sure they're impartial. <groan>

[gibraltar72]

30. Hope the voters

remember it was Poop Schuette that helped get him elected. Michigan is so gawd damn dumb I'n not sure they'll remember. But I'll keep trying to remind my neighbors.

[llmart]

42. Exactly!

Schuette is a scam artist. Lots of gullible people fall for scam artists. I'm hoping Gretchen runs his ass out of town and he can take his buddy, Snyder with him. Notice how he's distanced himself from Snyder and his Flint debacle?

[demmiblue]

47. +1

[Thunderbeast]

31. Michigan often acts like a southern state

Knowing many Michiganders, my impression is that the Trump win was well within the norm. I have had many racially charged conversations with family and friends there.

George Wallace did very well in 1968.

Rick Snyder is a tea party governor.

An unfortunate parade of corrupt black city officials in Detroit contributed to the polarization started in the 1968 riots.

Democrats read the mood of voters poorly in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. The "Blue Wall" was always wishful thinking.

[catbyte]

32. I'll never believe Clinton lost Michigan fair and square.

Originally, Predator-in-Chief "won" by 13.7K votes out of almost 8M cast. During the recount, his lead shrunk to 10.7K votes when Republican (of course) AG Bill Scheutte sued to halt the recount. And so it was halted. Michigan was stolen. I fucking hate the Republican party, but most of all:

[IMG][/IMG]

[elmac]

35. too little too late

living in mi is like living behind enemy lines and, believe me, support for the monster is much higher then the polls suggest.

[Chakaconcarne]

36. Nothing has changed. They never approved of Trump in the first place.

The election was rigged.

[gristy]

44. What an odd article - plummeting implies a drop in approval.

But I can find no statement in the article as to what his approval was in Michigan at any time in the past.

[riversedge]

45. Thank you Michigan. Keep doing good.

[Sunlei]

49. elections will always be very close & easy to swing with spoilers

R D. Trump 47.6% 2,279,805
D H. Clinton 47.3% 2,268,193
L G. Johnson 3.6% 173,057
G J. Stein 1.1% 50,700
U D. Castle 0.4% 16,926

[TheFrenchRazor]

53. it's ok; he'll still "win," and dems will will be left wondering what went wrong, again. we need all

all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time.