Obama aide: We would have been impeached for spending $24M to upgrade Air Force One fridge
Source: The Hill
A senior adviser to former President Obama on Friday mocked reports that replacing the Air Force One refrigerators will cost $24 million, saying Obama "would have been impeached" over it.
We would have been impeached, Eric Schultz, a former White House deputy press secretary, said.
Defense One reported this week that two aging refrigerators on the aircraft will be replaced at a cost of almost $24 million.
The coolers on the aircraft need to have the capacity to store 3,000 meals onboard, and two out of the five are in need of replacement, according to the publication. The refrigerators have been in use on the plane since 1990.
Boeing was awarded a $23.7 million contract to replace the refrigerators, according to Defense One.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/370979-obama-aide-we-would-have-been-impeached-for-spending-24m-to
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)bringing a picnic cooler on board. They didn't need a rational reason to obstruct and hate him for 8 years. He was the wrong color and that is all that matters to them and the GOP.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)brush
(53,743 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)How many people can be aboard at any given time?
Journeyman
(15,024 posts)potone
(1,701 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)plans for AF 1 to stay in the air for long periods of time. It can be refueled in mid-flight, but they need food.
For example, if WW3 broke out with nukes flying, they might not find a safe place to land for weeks.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)If there are that many people on board for that period of time then they need functioning lavs.
Still have a problem with 3,000 meals. Figure 100 people/three meals a day/10 days. Even with nuclear war they wouldnt have to be in the air that long.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)former9thward
(31,940 posts)AF 1 can easily fly for three weeks non-stop. In the event of nuclear war AF 1 might need to be up at least that long.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)We will not get involved in the pee aspect.
Inquiring minds and all.
These are important questions.
former9thward
(31,940 posts)If nuclear war is going on that would be the least thing for people on the ground to worry about.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Thank you.
Blue ice all over, eh?
onenote
(42,587 posts)Are there always 3000 meals on board in case an emergency or would taking off be delayed while they loaded up 3000 meals? How long are the meals good for?
And why does it cost $12 million per refrigerator? According to Boeing, that includes design costs. But why are there design costs? These are replacements. Doesn't someone have the design drawings and specs for the original refrigerators?
former9thward
(31,940 posts)The military considers AF One to be protected at all costs. Other aircraft are expendable.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)I've heard numbers thrown around of 2-3 weeks aloft if needed.
Even if they land somewhere they can't always count on having food handy. Most likely they will but when the President is involved there are going to be contingencies upon contingencies. Even though the current resident is a flaming orange asshole.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)The plane has to be able to serve as a "flying WH" as it were.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)Who is going to refuel it?
former9thward
(31,940 posts)They are always in the air someplace.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)and who is going to refuel them? What air bases alone not counting every other military post of any significance is going to be left after a nuclear war? Any important place left not just ours won't last once our and Russian submarines let go with all they have.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)irisblue
(32,929 posts)Getting ready for that maybe?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)That's a lot of Big Macs and KFC !
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)Why?
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)It is the only 747 that can be refueled in the air.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)The E-4 Advanced Airborne Command Post, also called "Nighthawk," serves as a survivable mobile command post for the National Command Authority, namely the President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, and successors. (Sorry, Melania, there's only room for Ivanka.)
The E-4 follows the President around and usually lands at a nearby military base in case it's needed.
When I was a KC-135 navigator and the E-4 would land at March AFB in Riverside, CA, while Air Force One was parked at LAX, electronic garage doors would suddenly start operating automatically. We were told it wasn't related to the fact the aircraft is packed with electronics.
We used to take our KC-135 tankers up and practice refueling the E-4. It is a monster aircraft when it's flying in formation 30 feet behind you.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)Sometimes the safest place to be is in the air, where you have more options of where to relocate the President and his band of merry men. I doubt they plan to actually stay airborne for 10 days -- the meals can be prepared while the aircraft is sitting on the ramp, where the toilets can be serviced. Aerial refueling extends the range from about 7300 miles to anywhere on earth.
As far as the tankers landing is concerned, when I navigated the KC-135 in support of a B-52 whose mission would head over the pole to its Soviet target, our instructions were to give the bomber everything we had until we reached "standpipe," which left us with about 20 minutes of fuel left. Then it was up to us to find somewhere to land.
As an aside, on 9-11 it's always puzzled me why the Secret Service didn't hustle Bush out of the classroom, into the limo and directly to the airport where Air Force One would be sitting with its engines running. Then head due east or west and the President would be out of harm's way in a matter of minutes instead of the hour-plus it took for him to get to end of "My Pet Goat" and then make a statement in front of a backdrop of students. The stop in Alexandria, LA, and Minot AFB, ND, has never been explained, either, especially in light of his statement that he was going to be going directly back to Washington. I guess life always has to have its mysteries. Sorry to get off-topic.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)If that plane is up there for ten days, how do they service the lavs?
You know that thry cant accommodate ten days of 100 people pooping.
Questions, questions.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)"What is the sound of 100 people pooping?"
I haven't been able to find any information about the 747 toilet system, other than the capacity of the solid waste storage tanks (1100 liters/290 gallons). Lavatory and galley water is pumped overboard in flight.
If they follow the lead of the ISS, where urine is reprocessed into drinking water, engineers have figured out how to process solid human waste into flavored brown patties. Chicken or fish, anyone?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)not needing refrigeration. But even then, 3000 meals at $25 million is the equivalent of 3 meals needing a $25,000 fridge. Something is seriously out of whack.
Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)Who wrote the work statement for that contract? They should be jailed. 3000 meals indeed!
On a lighter note, those refrigerators would probably have cost less before Trump's tariffs. I doubt those units will be made in America.
BumRushDaShow
(128,483 posts)iluvtennis
(19,835 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)Butterflylady
(3,537 posts)And they deserve it more. Just sayin.
Initech
(100,038 posts)Our government has been taken over by toddlers who scream when they don't get a toy.
Demtexan
(1,588 posts)So that is $12,000,000 a cooler?
That is a lot for any plane.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)and throw in a case of Bud Lite for the BigMac-in-Chief.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)The price tag for these kind of unique items is always shocking to the general public, but it's a fact of life when you are buying only 1, 2 or a few. The contract specs are also stringent and unique as well. These aren't items that you stroll on down to your local appliance store and buy. I know that parts, at least for the engines of all aircraft used for the president, when they need to be replaced are always replaced by new parts, never repaired ones.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Seriously, what you say is of course true. What we don't know is what an honest price would be.
I did work in the defense industry briefly long ago, and what I saw in required institutionalized negligence was why it was only "briefly." It was shocking to someone who was used to the positive pressures of competition on performance and I moved on, even though the positions one large step above my level were paid amazingly well, candy-jar well.
Those people were paid to tell even generals who called personally to try to get things moving that need and even whole development programs halted for lack of a part were irrelevant. The officially required backlog that had to be maintained was 4 years at that time. Excellent job security, though.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)but there's no competition for items like these. There is just no economies of scale to be had that would interest any company other than than Boeing/OEM to make them. Even the OEMs don't want to hold tooling or inventory for future needs, then when DoD buys and holds such inventory, they get beat up by Congress for having "excess" inventory.
I don't think most people realize just how small military procurements are compared to commercial aircraft procurements. Aside from hardware like nuts, bolts, screws, etc, the quantities being ordered to support US aircraft range from a few to maybe a few hundreds or low thousands. It's not cost effective because of the low quantites and often unique requirements. This was my civil service career. I can assure you no one was deliberately negligent and we were certainly not non-responsive to expedite requests.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)background. The company I worked for made actuators for military aircraft.
Have a nice day.
onenote
(42,587 posts)So there really isn't need for design work -- someone has the specs for the originals.
And the current AF One, and its refrigerators, was built in 1990 -- 28 years ago. The current AF one is supposed to be replaced by 2024. So they don't have to build in the same level of durability in the replacements as in the originals.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)How much media attention is this story getting? If this had happened under President Obama right wing news would have been talking about this 24 hours-a-day. I assume Donald Trump's supports will toss this away by saying Trump has saved them and the country billions of dollars since his election, so it is okay that he will spend $24 million dollars upgrading two refrigerators. They will also likely blame President Obama by claiming, Trump had to spend the money because Obama refused to do his job and upgrade the refrigerators when he was President. They will probably try to claim that the problem was somehow made worse by President Obama. They will probably claim if President Obama had not gone on so many vacations during his time in office the refrigerators would not have needed to be upgraded.
machI
(1,285 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)in flight with the only thing holding it together being the rivets. Do you think the Navy should go to Home Depot and pick this specialized hardware out of a bin just because it might look the same on the outside?
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Where did they buy them??
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)The GOP would've impeached him and sent him to prison.
Cosmocat
(14,559 posts)The actual cost of these is clearly debatable.
Its just that if it is in fact a necessity, the right wing hate bubble would be a DEFCON 1 over it had it been ANY D POTUS in the White House.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)It's obvious Trump is a big eater but this is ridiculous. Does the $23.7 million include the cost of those 3,000 Big Mac's? I long for the good old days of $3,000 toilet seats.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)The current color of Avocado wouldn't meet Trump's sense of decor, but bright gold doors would just dazzle him.