5 dead, 1 injured in Fayette County shooting (PA)
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A Pennsylvania State police trooper said there is "no motive, no reason" that authorities are aware of for a mass shooting early Sunday in Fayette County.
Five people are dead, three men and two women, and a sixth person is injured. Those who are dead died of gunshot winds, according to Trooper Robert Broadwater of the Uniontown State Police barracks. He said it is unclear at this point whether the sixth victim sustained gunshot wounds.
The shooting happened just before 3 a.m. along Route 711, also known as Indian Creek Valley Road, in Salt Lake Township just outside Melcroft. The shooting scene was at Ed's Car Wash, across the street from G&D Market and beside Ridgeline Heating and Cooling.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2018/01/28/Fatal-shooting-investigation-Fayette-County-Indian-Creek-Valley-Road-multiple-dead/stories/201801280150
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)brought to justice!
TheRealistRealist
(180 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)vile NRA refuses to let its puppet politicians do anything.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)would find support in doing so.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)another day in gun humping America
Vinca
(50,236 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)The reason is guns. The motive is guns.
BumRushDaShow
(128,441 posts)'Nuff said.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Shootings happen everywhere.
BumRushDaShow
(128,441 posts)Fayette County, PA has a population of about 133,000 = RURAL
Philadelphia County (City), PA has a population of about 1.6 million = URBAN
But remember, "crime" is an "urban problem".
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)to shootings
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Pa. firefighter captain charged with homicide after fatally shooting teen, 16, inside fire station
Police: Wife accused in shooting of county commissioner
Man Shot & Killed in Fayette County, PA in 'Love Triangle'
And those are just the major headlines, all of them fairly recent. Like many impoverished rural communities, Fayette County suffers from a comparatively high rate of crime, likely owing to rampant drug use and chronic underemployment.
I would gather that the post in question was giving commentary about the propensity for violence in Trump-voting counties, though I agree that this wasn't made clear.
riversedge
(70,077 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,441 posts)(I am bopping from thread to thread and then trying to crochet an afghan at the same time )
Amishman
(5,554 posts)6+ people at a shitty self service car wash at 3am? Not a random shooting.
Given that Fayette county leads PA in drug overdoses per capita and is the 3rd poorest county in the state, my thought is drug deal gone bad
Orrex
(63,172 posts)And the shooter was wearing body armor FWIW
More details will follow, to be sure. Fayette is locally known as a troubled area, though generally with stories less catastrophic than this one.
BumRushDaShow
(128,441 posts)in Allegheny County - http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/01/11/teen-mom-star-arrested-mckees-rocks-meth-lab/
With the heroin out on the streets now, I was surprised when I had heard this on the news... Figured people had stopped with that but apparently not.
Initech
(100,038 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)I can absolutely guarantee that residents of Fayette County (alternatively, "Fayette Nam" have made that same joke already.
It's not to everyone's taste, and I don't make use of that particular joke myself. Still, it's part of the local culture, and local residents will certainly employ that joke in coming to terms with this.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)Tell you what: if any of my fellow western Pennsylvanians are offended or harmed by that dreadful slur, I'll be sure to comfort them.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)light of it.
And then says, "Oh everybody here does it" as a lame justification.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Tell you what else: maybe you can refrain from passing your righteous judgment about other people's experiences and their choices in coping with those experiences.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Not deleting the post, either.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)hexola
(4,835 posts)Weren't there some militant anti-heroin people out there?
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Kaleva
(36,248 posts)As the shooter was wearing body armor.
PSPS
(13,579 posts)It's bad enough without you making things up.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor.
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PSPS
(13,579 posts)Apparently, the shooter used to date one of the victims. Your earlier post about body armor are unfounded and probably made up.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)Duh.
PSPS
(13,579 posts)Try to be precise instead of jumping to (unfounded) conclusions.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Kaleva
(36,248 posts)News sources reported the shooter was wearing body armor and yet you accuse me of knee jerk reaction and jumping to conclusions!
This is your comment in post #34:
" No, there are no reports of anyone wearing body armour."
That is an outright lie as proven by the examples I give below:
"The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor."
http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2018/01/28/Fatal-shooting-investigation-Fayette-County-Indian-Creek-Valley-Road-multiple-dead/stories/201801280150
"The gunman, Timothy OBrien Smith, 28, was wearing body armor and was armed with an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle, a 9mm handgun and a .308 rifle, Richard Bower, Fayette County district attorney, said at an afternoon press conference."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/28/five-dead-shooting-pennsylvania-car-wash-melcroft-saltlick-township
hexola
(4,835 posts)Pretty sure the body armor stuff was not originally in the PPG article this morning when I posted the story.
Consider that instead of crapping up this thread arguing like nit-wits.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)Maybe I should not be upset anymore when this happens...
But I can't help it
Freedomofspeech
(4,221 posts)Domestic violence.
Ohiogal
(31,909 posts)Saying "This could have all have been prevented if everyone was armed!"
It's always the same ... the solution is "more guns" .... AARRGH
Skittles
(153,111 posts)they want everyone armed and paranoid, just like them
Squinch
(50,911 posts)are way over-represented in incidents of catastrophic gun violence. I can't find the link, but here is another one.
Those poor people.
KG
(28,751 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,520 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)there are not enough idiots with guns in PA!
GOP-NRA Mission Statement: A Gun for Every Idiot, an Idiot for Every gun!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)
at the local watering hole according to one newspaper account.
[link:http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/01/28/fatalities-confirmed-fayette-shooting/|]
[link:https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/timothy-tim-smith-melcroft-shooting-suspect-photos/|]
hexola
(4,835 posts)Since its not drugs - its a bit scarier. Could happen anywhere anytime...(where there are throngs of armed idiots!)
MustLoveBeagles
(11,583 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)It seems that insanity is one of the "new rules".
Sancho
(9,067 posts)The shooter should never have had easy access to guns - he clearly was dangerous.
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This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werent secured are out of control in our society. As such, heres what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Im not debating the legal language, I just think its the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because its clear that they should never have had a gun.
1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learners license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.
Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a drivers license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman