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hexola

(4,835 posts)
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 12:57 PM Jan 2018

5 dead, 1 injured in Fayette County shooting (PA)

Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A Pennsylvania State police trooper said there is "no motive, no reason" that authorities are aware of for a mass shooting early Sunday in Fayette County.

Five people are dead, three men and two women, and a sixth person is injured. Those who are dead died of gunshot winds, according to Trooper Robert Broadwater of the Uniontown State Police barracks. He said it is unclear at this point whether the sixth victim sustained gunshot wounds.

The shooting happened just before 3 a.m. along Route 711, also known as Indian Creek Valley Road, in Salt Lake Township just outside Melcroft. The shooting scene was at Ed's Car Wash, across the street from G&D Market and beside Ridgeline Heating and Cooling.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2018/01/28/Fatal-shooting-investigation-Fayette-County-Indian-Creek-Valley-Road-multiple-dead/stories/201801280150

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5 dead, 1 injured in Fayette County shooting (PA) (Original Post) hexola Jan 2018 OP
Thank you, NRA! shenmue Jan 2018 #1
You said it TEB Jan 2018 #7
There will be many many many many more. Just imagine if chief traitor is actually Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #26
Soo sick of this TheRealistRealist Jan 2018 #2
I refuse to become numb to this senseless GUN violence. Each event is a reminder of how the Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #3
This + 100000 bronxiteforever Jan 2018 #11
Those puppets are spineless assholes, they could do something if they wanted and Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #27
"...gunshot winds..." seems a fitting typo for this country. nt logosoco Jan 2018 #4
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Jan 2018 #5
But at least we have our "freedoms." Vinca Jan 2018 #6
There certainly is a "reason". We allow all idiots to carry guns everywhere they go. ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #8
this Marthe48 Jan 2018 #10
Fayette County, PA BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #9
What is that supposed to mean? Beaverhausen Jan 2018 #12
Look up the history of SW PA BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #14
You arent presenting any findings that can be supported in relation wasupaloopa Jan 2018 #30
Well, here are a few gleaned from some easy Googling Orrex Jan 2018 #39
but they like their gun bashes put on the local fire departments......... riversedge Jan 2018 #41
Well yeah! They gotta have guns! Orrex Jan 2018 #49
Thank you BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #44
Yup, based on time and location, my guess is drug related Amishman Jan 2018 #13
The story states that drugs do not appear to have been a factor Orrex Jan 2018 #15
There was a recent Meth lab bust just a few weeks ago BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #16
Fuck the NRA! Initech Jan 2018 #17
It's the Fayette Cong. Efilroft Sul Jan 2018 #18
Joking about this is disgusting. You should self delete. Squinch Jan 2018 #31
That's actually a very common local joke Orrex Jan 2018 #36
And some people use the N word lin general conversation. Doesn't mean we need to repeat it here. Squinch Jan 2018 #42
Of course, the two are nothing at all alike, except when trying to score easy rhetorical points Orrex Jan 2018 #48
Tell you what, when someone you love is killed in a shooting, I'll fervently hope that no one makes Squinch Jan 2018 #50
Tell you what: perhaps you can hold off until you know what you're talking about. Orrex Jan 2018 #51
Back at ya. Squinch Jan 2018 #52
. Orrex Jan 2018 #61
Not a joke. Many people in SW Pennsylvania refer to the gun crazies down there as the Cong. Efilroft Sul Jan 2018 #40
3 a.m. outside a car wash w/ shooter wearing armor. Probably drug related. Kaleva Jan 2018 #19
Vigilantes? hexola Jan 2018 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Jan 2018 #23
Haven't heard that but it's possible. This certainly was a planned hit. Kaleva Jan 2018 #24
No, there are no reports of anyone wearing body armour. PSPS Jan 2018 #34
Except this part from, you know, the story in the OP Orrex Jan 2018 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author hexola Jan 2018 #21
Knee jerk much? It's being described as a domestic dispute. PSPS Jan 2018 #33
Except for this part from, you know, the story in the OP Orrex Jan 2018 #38
From the article: "The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor." Kaleva Jan 2018 #54
Um ... "wearing a body armor carrier without the ballistic panels inserted" PSPS Jan 2018 #55
That is not in the article. Do you have a cite? Hangingon Jan 2018 #56
You are a hoot. Kaleva Jan 2018 #58
Ummm...these stories get updated as the day goes on. hexola Jan 2018 #59
Just another Sunday in America. milestogo Jan 2018 #22
Again ailsagirl Jan 2018 #25
One of my former students posted of Facebook that some of these people were her relatives and it was Freedomofspeech Jan 2018 #28
I'm already seeing comments on other sites Ohiogal Jan 2018 #29
that is how cowards think Skittles Jan 2018 #45
Someone posted a while back about how municipalities with "Fayette" in their names Squinch Jan 2018 #32
yay. guns. KG Jan 2018 #35
(n/t) forgotmylogin Jan 2018 #43
It perfectly clear now,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jan 2018 #46
Some sort of domestic dispute after a night out Historic NY Jan 2018 #47
Too bad - wish it had been drugs. hexola Jan 2018 #60
It never stops MustLoveBeagles Jan 2018 #53
Condolences to family and friends. raven mad Jan 2018 #57
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jan 2018 #62

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
26. There will be many many many many more. Just imagine if chief traitor is actually
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:21 PM
Jan 2018

brought to justice!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. I refuse to become numb to this senseless GUN violence. Each event is a reminder of how the
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jan 2018

vile NRA refuses to let its puppet politicians do anything.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
27. Those puppets are spineless assholes, they could do something if they wanted and
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:22 PM
Jan 2018

would find support in doing so.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
14. Look up the history of SW PA
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jan 2018

Fayette County, PA has a population of about 133,000 = RURAL

Philadelphia County (City), PA has a population of about 1.6 million = URBAN

But remember, "crime" is an "urban problem".

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
39. Well, here are a few gleaned from some easy Googling
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:27 PM
Jan 2018
Possible mass school shooting stopped in western Pa.

Pa. firefighter captain charged with homicide after fatally shooting teen, 16, inside fire station

Police: Wife accused in shooting of county commissioner

Man Shot & Killed in Fayette County, PA in 'Love Triangle'

And those are just the major headlines, all of them fairly recent. Like many impoverished rural communities, Fayette County suffers from a comparatively high rate of crime, likely owing to rampant drug use and chronic underemployment.

I would gather that the post in question was giving commentary about the propensity for violence in Trump-voting counties, though I agree that this wasn't made clear.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
44. Thank you
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jan 2018

(I am bopping from thread to thread and then trying to crochet an afghan at the same time )

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
13. Yup, based on time and location, my guess is drug related
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 01:43 PM
Jan 2018

6+ people at a shitty self service car wash at 3am? Not a random shooting.

Given that Fayette county leads PA in drug overdoses per capita and is the 3rd poorest county in the state, my thought is drug deal gone bad

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
15. The story states that drugs do not appear to have been a factor
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jan 2018

And the shooter was wearing body armor FWIW

More details will follow, to be sure. Fayette is locally known as a troubled area, though generally with stories less catastrophic than this one.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
16. There was a recent Meth lab bust just a few weeks ago
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:04 PM
Jan 2018

in Allegheny County - http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/01/11/teen-mom-star-arrested-mckees-rocks-meth-lab/

With the heroin out on the streets now, I was surprised when I had heard this on the news... Figured people had stopped with that but apparently not.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
36. That's actually a very common local joke
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jan 2018

I can absolutely guarantee that residents of Fayette County (alternatively, "Fayette Nam&quot have made that same joke already.

It's not to everyone's taste, and I don't make use of that particular joke myself. Still, it's part of the local culture, and local residents will certainly employ that joke in coming to terms with this.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
42. And some people use the N word lin general conversation. Doesn't mean we need to repeat it here.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jan 2018

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
48. Of course, the two are nothing at all alike, except when trying to score easy rhetorical points
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jan 2018

Tell you what: if any of my fellow western Pennsylvanians are offended or harmed by that dreadful slur, I'll be sure to comfort them.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
50. Tell you what, when someone you love is killed in a shooting, I'll fervently hope that no one makes
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

light of it.

And then says, "Oh everybody here does it" as a lame justification.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
51. Tell you what: perhaps you can hold off until you know what you're talking about.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jan 2018

Tell you what else: maybe you can refrain from passing your righteous judgment about other people's experiences and their choices in coping with those experiences.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
40. Not a joke. Many people in SW Pennsylvania refer to the gun crazies down there as the Cong.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jan 2018

Not deleting the post, either.

Response to hexola (Reply #20)

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
24. Haven't heard that but it's possible. This certainly was a planned hit.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

As the shooter was wearing body armor.

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
34. No, there are no reports of anyone wearing body armour.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jan 2018

It's bad enough without you making things up.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
37. Except this part from, you know, the story in the OP
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jan 2018
A state police detective at the scene and who asked that he not be named said a man is suspected in the shooting. He said it’s unclear whether the suspect is dead or alive, but said he had been shot. The detective said it is unclear whether the suspect shot himself.

The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor.
(emphasis added)

Response to Kaleva (Reply #19)

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
33. Knee jerk much? It's being described as a domestic dispute.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jan 2018

Apparently, the shooter used to date one of the victims. Your earlier post about body armor are unfounded and probably made up.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
38. Except for this part from, you know, the story in the OP
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jan 2018
A state police detective at the scene and who asked that he not be named said a man is suspected in the shooting. He said it’s unclear whether the suspect is dead or alive, but said he had been shot. The detective said it is unclear whether the suspect shot himself.

The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor.
(emphasis added)

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
54. From the article: "The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor."
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 07:05 PM
Jan 2018

Duh.

PSPS

(13,579 posts)
55. Um ... "wearing a body armor carrier without the ballistic panels inserted"
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:11 PM
Jan 2018

Try to be precise instead of jumping to (unfounded) conclusions.

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
58. You are a hoot.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jan 2018

News sources reported the shooter was wearing body armor and yet you accuse me of knee jerk reaction and jumping to conclusions!

This is your comment in post #34:

" No, there are no reports of anyone wearing body armour."

That is an outright lie as proven by the examples I give below:

"The detective also confirmed that the suspect was wearing body armor."

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2018/01/28/Fatal-shooting-investigation-Fayette-County-Indian-Creek-Valley-Road-multiple-dead/stories/201801280150

"The gunman, Timothy O’Brien Smith, 28, was wearing body armor and was armed with an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle, a 9mm handgun and a .308 rifle, Richard Bower, Fayette County district attorney, said at an afternoon press conference."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/28/five-dead-shooting-pennsylvania-car-wash-melcroft-saltlick-township



 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
59. Ummm...these stories get updated as the day goes on.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jan 2018

Pretty sure the body armor stuff was not originally in the PPG article this morning when I posted the story.

Consider that instead of crapping up this thread arguing like nit-wits.

Freedomofspeech

(4,221 posts)
28. One of my former students posted of Facebook that some of these people were her relatives and it was
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:22 PM
Jan 2018

Domestic violence.

Ohiogal

(31,909 posts)
29. I'm already seeing comments on other sites
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jan 2018

Saying "This could have all have been prevented if everyone was armed!"

It's always the same ... the solution is "more guns" .... AARRGH

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
32. Someone posted a while back about how municipalities with "Fayette" in their names
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jan 2018

are way over-represented in incidents of catastrophic gun violence. I can't find the link, but here is another one.

Those poor people.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
46. It perfectly clear now,,,,,,,
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 05:33 PM
Jan 2018

there are not enough idiots with guns in PA!


GOP-NRA Mission Statement: A Gun for Every Idiot, an Idiot for Every gun!

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
60. Too bad - wish it had been drugs.
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jan 2018

Since its not drugs - its a bit scarier. Could happen anywhere anytime...(where there are throngs of armed idiots!)

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
62. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 09:49 PM
Jan 2018
https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/timothy-tim-smith-melcroft-shooting-suspect-photos/

The shooter should never have had easy access to guns - he clearly was dangerous.

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This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman
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