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Fri Feb 9, 2018, 08:29 AM

Sen. Tim Kaine demands release of secret Trump war powers memo

Source: NBC

WASHINGTON ó Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine is demanding the release of a secret memo outlining President Trumpís interpretation of his legal authority to wage war.

Kaine, a member of the Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees, sent a letter Thursday night to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson seeking a 7-page memo the administration has kept under wraps for months.

Kaine has been leading the charge for Trump to outline his legal rationale for a U.S. bombing campaign in Syria last April in response President Bashar al-Assadís chemical attacks on civilians in that country. The Virginia Senator and others worry that such action compromises congressional oversight over military action.

There is a new urgency to obtain the memo given increasing U.S. involvement in Syria and recent Trump administration rhetoric on North Korea. Shortly after the 2017 bombing raid, several members of Congress called on Trump to justify it under U.S. and international law. Article I of the U.S. Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/sen-tim-kaine-demands-release-secret-trump-war-powers-memo-n846176

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 08:31 AM

1. The nightmares just keep on comin'

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 08:40 AM

2. I'm curious to know who actually wrote the memo. 45 is incapable

of even reading a 7-page document, much less writing one.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 09:28 AM

3. If it's released, we'll be able to tell who wrote it.

Or who didn't.

Depends on if it includes the best bigly words.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 09:52 AM

4. That's really the only thing that will save this presidency, isn't it?

A brand-new, bright, shiny WAR.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:43 PM

12. I really don't know about that.

One of the things that used to boost presidents standing in wartime was the limited bandwidth of the TV news media. It used to be so few hours in a day devoted to news broadcasts that it was easy for a war to dominate the time. But now with the 24 hour news networks and the internet in everyone's pockets, we still see the gaffes and corruption right along with the stories about bombings and more vets coming home without limbs.

Now, I still think that plenty in this regime would press a war to preserve their agenda, I just don't think it would work as well as they think it will.

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Response to Stryst (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 05:39 PM

15. The limited TV/radio bandwidth was a control point. Now the internet is.

As more and more of us rely on being able to download entertainment or participate in open discussions such as DU, the internet will become a throttle point as has been demonstrated in other dictatorial regimes.

Many of the actions that I've seen, and not just the Pai battle against net neutrality, are pointing to the ability of an "interested group" to start to limit accessibility to free speech and to start to change content as needed.

This may already be happening. ATT and other major long-haul vendors have already been found complicit in privacy violations against their customers. The large cable and wireless companies have been caught throttling content that didn't meet their standards.

DU and other similar sites may start to experience unexplainable interruptions.

I'm not sure how we can counter this corporate/statist takeover of our communications.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:16 AM

5. K&R.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:26 AM

6. Just what's the deal with

these bizarre memos? I don't remember a time when "memos" carried such weight and consequences.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:11 AM

8. We had laws, then Executive Orders, now it is the "memo". Working our way up to "The Kings Word".

Then "The Kings Thoughts".

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:05 AM

13. Because it wasn't 24/7 news.

I was reading a meh article today on how the ADA (not "disabilities", but I forget what the D stands for), the law that supposedly prevents government employees from working in the absence of appropriations funding their jobs, came to entail a government shut down. Apparently there was a memo by Garcetti in the early 1980s concerning how to interpret that law, already over a decade old at the time the memo was written. A memo maybe 8 years later added to that interpretation--and the government shutdown was born.

(At no point did the article mention whether there was a prior incident of non-appropriation with federal employees still working. The reason I mention this at all is because two memos interpreting a law allegedly not relevant to the situation were crucial to the current interpretation and implementation of the law.

It's also worth remembering that DACA is just a "memo" with bureaucratic machinery added later to help implement it: https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s1-exercising-prosecutorial-discretion-individuals-who-came-to-us-as-children.pdf

It's not that we don't remember the time when memos carried such weight and consequences; it's just that many things we know about we simply don't remember as being the direct result of memos.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:09 AM

7. Congressional Publicans, wake up! You are endagering the entire nation with your enabling behavior.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 11:44 AM

9. So Trump wants to go out, with a bang

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 04:26 PM

10. OMG. Now there's a secret memo telling Trump how far he can go in bombing

other countries. He wouldn't know on his own. This means others have legalized it such that it is as broad as possible, I'm sure.

With no oversight.

This crap has to stop. We don't need another war. We're still in the ones that Bush/Cheney started over a decade ago.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Feb 9, 2018, 06:16 PM

11. I am fucking sick and tired...

of having the whole country live in fear of what the asshole and his asshole party might do. Goddamn lives are at stake.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:55 AM

14. So the Dems just release it anyways, what is that Cheetos-hued fascist going to do?

Seriously, does anyone think he'd have the stones to go after sitting Senators over this?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 11:11 AM

16. Very funny, 45

The US is in no condition to go to war. It's in shambles politically and the government is tearing itself a new one.

If the US goes to war it will sadly be with itself. Something I never thought I'd ever have to say.

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