Trump says arming teachers could prevent school massacres

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Source: Reuters

U.S. President Donald Trump suggested on Wednesday that arming teachers could help prevent massacres such as last week’s mass shooting at a Florida high school.

Trump voiced support for the idea during an emotional White House meeting with students who survived the shooting and a parent whose child did not.

“If you had a teacher ... who was adept at firearms, it could very well end the attack very quickly,” said Trump, who acknowledged the idea would be controversial.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns/trump-says-arming-teachers-could-prevent-school-massacres-idUSKCN1G51QY?il=0

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HSDL statistics of active shooter incidents 2000 - 2013 says otherwise
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210271003

[djacq]

1. The NRA owns the Orange Clown

The NRA contributed $30,000,000+ to the Orange Clown’s campaign;

[link:https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/lawmakers-nra-money/story%3Fid%3D53230001|

Who here thinks that they’re not expecting a return on their investment?

[Judi Lynn]

2. So when will the teacher find the time to teach, in addition to watching the door 8 hours a day?

Is there a chance the education part might get short-changed, or could that ever matter to Republicans?

[LuckyLib]

3. And when many, if not most, of our teachers refuse to be caretakers

in a prison? He is advocating turning our schools into prisons so the guns can be free.

[DFW]

4. Disarming lunatics could have the same effect

But I guess no one has suggested that one to him yet?

[LittleGirl]

5. I was shouting at the tv eom

[dchill]

28. The TV didn't do it!

[Freethinker65]

6. Surprised he did not suggest getting rid of schools altogether

I am sure Betsy would approve and think of all that extra tax payer money he and his family could spend at his properties

[ffr]

9. Trever Noah beat you to that one in last night's show

Watch it, it's a very clever mockery of conservatives and your idea comes out.

The Daily Show: Parkland Shooting Survivors School Congress on Gun Violence
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017481143
Thanks Rhiannon12866

[Freethinker65]

16. Thanks. No cable...had not seen that yet. So many great nonsensiical ideas!

Anything but enacting common sense gun laws. Sad.

[Perseus]

7. Sure, sure

until a crazy teacher ends up shooting all the kids in his/her class...more guns is the solution...right! Why not arm the kids while you are at it?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

8. Says a five time draft dodger who wouldn't even serve to protect his country.

I read somewhere that arming every teacher in the U.S. would create an "army" larger than all the combined police departments in the country.

Nowhere in a teacher's contract does it say he or she should be willing to lay down their lives for their students. Nor should it.

This spring the DHS is planning to release an active shooter training simulator for teachers, which puts them in a virtual shooting incident to prepare for a real one.

The article shows what the simulator looks like in action (scroll down). It's scary to think that this would be part of a teacher's training, along with live-fire practice.

Finally, there's the matter of having a gun in the classroom. My experience with students is that they know where everything is in the classroom, and can get to it in an instant. Having armed teachers is an accident waiting to happen.

[pazzyanne]

11. As a former teacher

I would want nothing to do with this plan. Teachers are trained to teach, not to kill. I know how to handle a gun and am good at it but I have trouble shooting an animal let alone killing a human. A classroom under stress is the wrong place to get "on the job" experience in killing while your class is left on their own to deal with the shooter however they can. On non-shooting days, I would not want the responsibility of securing a gun in my classroom. I've had pretty talented kids pick the lock on my desk drawer to retrieve items they wanted over the years I was in the classroom. In my mind it is just putting one more gun into the mix and additional stress on the teacher who is already dealing with stress from multiple directions. Lousy plan, if you ask me.

[HockeyMom]

14. I worked as a TA with Middle School ED boys

All had criminal records of one sort or another. They were one infraction away from being locked up in a facility. One boy at 11 years old tried to stab his Grandma with a kitchen knife.

We locked up all sharp objects which could be used as weapons. They did their lessons with crayons. That boy broke into a drawer, got a scissors, and tried to stab the other TA with it. Of course, we needed a loaded gun in that classroom. Anyone who says that, needs some serious counseling themselves.

[pazzyanne]

18. I agree 100%.

[Yupster]

22. Schools in West Texas have been doing this for years now

Check out this sign in front of a high school in Forsan Texas.


http://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Forsan-ISD-New-Signs-Bring-A-Warning-349312821.html

[Yupster]

23. Here is how one district is doing it

No one is proposing forcing teachers to be armed as far as I've seen.

Districts who have done this have had a select number of trained teachers who are willing to do it.

Here are the rules of one local district near me...

http://www.newswest9.com/story/30565558/forsan-isd-allows-guns-on-campus-to-shorten-emergency-response-times?clienttype=mobile

[They_Live]

25. No thanks. What if the parents object?

I would not want a gun in the class room. Building locked and armed Security guard is one thing.

[Yupster]

26. Some parents were for it and others against it

Then the school board voted.

Those against it should try to vote out those board members who disagreed with them.

[RandomAccess]

10. Here's THE perfect response to that

Parkland student sums it up https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210269142

"If a kid in a sandbox throws a rock, you don't give rocks to everyone else to throw....it contradicts what you're trying to do."

[dchill]

29. I haven't seen one of those kids ...

that wouldn't make a better president than Trump.

[stevepal]

12. Hey what an idea! I would never have thought of it. MORE GUNS!!!

I have other ideas. Here's one: How about more cars on the highways so as to reduce the number of casualties from horrendous traffic accidents? Fill those highways with so many cars that there won't be room for cars to have accidents. They'd have to be really really careful.

So many of Trump's ideas are just so intelligent and well thought out. He's a genius. How do you get the Russians to quit subverting our elections? Make friends with them and help them to feel more comfortable around Americans. Defend their actions at every turn. These are the kind of policies that only a genius would ever dare to say. Most people would never think of them.

[dchill]

30. Mount guns on walls like fire extinguishers!

That'll take care of everything!

[SharonClark]

13. Well, he's anti-teacher. No surprise.

[paleotn]

15. And in the very next shooting....

the teacher will be the first to be shot. Idiots.

[marked50]

17. I guess what we need to do

is to just start recruiting our teachers from the ranks of our military, or that armed service should be a mandatory teacher employment requirement. Let's just get down to it and make it easy on everyone. And while we are at it, these teachers can teach military tactics to their charges. ...

[pazzyanne]

20. And to H.E.double hockey sticks

with reading writing and math. Somehow I don't see a lot of military people signing up for working in the teaching field. Might be wrong but the salary is not a draw nor are the uncompensated multiple hours associated with teaching. I do hope you were being sarcastic.

[marked50]

21. Yes, it was sarcasm- have never done those emoticon things-sorry

[CRK7376]

40. Hey I resemble that....

I am retired military and I teach high school history in NC. I absolutely do not want guns in our classrooms with the exception of the School Resource Officer(s). WHat a disaster waiting to happen....guns in a classroom. WHAT AN ABSOLUTELY STUPID IDEA!

[rockfordfile]

19. A NRA talking point.

Basically the NRA puppet is saying buy more guns. Trump agrees with the murder.

[Corgigal]

24. Parents need lawyers now

Sue the school, the Broward Sheriff's office and the Federal Govt for PTSD. NONE, of the survivors of a mass causality event need to be near guns. They will NOT feel safer, however political and police figures will be able to see stupid shit like, we did something.

Lawyer time, don't allow those kids to go back into that environment.

[Kablooie]

27. Requirement to be a teacher: must be a deadly shot with firearms and be ready to kill at all times.

Yeah!

That sounds just like the kind of America I want to live in!





.... I'm getting a headache.

[ffr]

31. Requirement #2, exposing school children to you blowing another kids brains out, must be okay

OMFG! That's the conservative position. Arm the teacher and they'll put this killer down...in front of other school children.

If it's not good enough for adults to watch, then I don't imagine it's okay for children to watch.

Thanks Saviolo
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017481185

[Freedomofspeech]

32. My God...

This is insane.

[onecaliberal]

33. My children will never attend a school with armed teachers.

[Retrograde]

34. Arm teachers - and movie goers and

concert attendees and nightclub patrons and office workers and....

IMHO it would be easier to enforce the "well-regulated" part of the 2nd amendment, but what do I know? I'm just a West Coast Liberal FemiNazi.

[ffr]

35. Liberal is a badge of distinction.

Conservative is a badge of shame.

You're in good company and on the right side of history.

[tclambert]

36. Future headline: Teacher Loses It, Shoots Up Classroom

[ffr]

37. Or has marital problems/depression and commits suicide in front of his class.

Or, let's propose all teachers and faculty carry firearms. School lets out and Cruz simply decides to wait off campus as students mill out.

He still has his clips and his legally purchased fully armed AR-15. tRump's armed teachers are out of place and Cruz kills 17 more innocent children and faculty.

Next brilliant idea? Perhaps we need another WH listening session. Sorry kids. We'll keep trying until we get this right.

[tclambert]

38. I'm sure Congress will have thoughts and prayers ready to go.

[guss]

39. student prisons and interment camps

Privatize public schools Make them learn in a Interment camp or prison.
Bus them in,Lock em down and teach em. A B C'S
Good Government upbringing will make em good citizens.
They will be protected, With the Leadership of the Politicians.
they might have long hateful life.

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