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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:09 PM Mar 2018

UPDATED: Kellyanne Conway found to have violated Hatch Act

Last edited Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Hill



BY JOHN BOWDEN - 03/06/18 11:59 AM EST

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway violated the Hatch Act on two occasions, the Office of Special Counsel (OSC) informed the Trump administration Tuesday.

Appearing in her official capacity, Conway endorsed and advocated against political candidates, the watchdog said, referring its findings to President Trump for disciplinary action.

The violations occurred during two television appearances in 2017, one on "Fox and Friends," and one on CNN's "New Day."

“Ms. Conway’s statements during the Fox & Friends and New Day interviews impermissibly mixed official government business with political views about candidates in the Alabama special election for U.S. Senate,” OSC’s report reads.

This breaking news story will be updated.


Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376945-watchdog-kellyanne-conway-violated-hatch-act-twice-in-tv-appearances



UPDATE:

Office of Special Counsel tells Trump to punish Kellyanne Conway for violating the Hatch Act twice

Sarah K. Burris SARAH K. BURRIS
06 MAR 2018 AT 12:06 ET

The Office of Special Counsel found that senior White House advisor Kellyanne Conway violated the Hatch Act twice when she appeared in two separate interviews.

When discussing Ivanka Trump’s brand, Conway made a direct plea to the Fox News audience to buy Trump’s products. The second case was when she advocated for Alabama senate candidate Doug Jones to be defeated and advocated the election of Roy Moore.

Both are explicitly banned by the Hatch Act. According to the special counsel, their office “submitted the report to the President for appropriate disciplinary action.”

You can read the details below:





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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/office-special-counsel-tells-trump-punish-kellyanne-conway-violating-hatch-act-twice/
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UPDATED: Kellyanne Conway found to have violated Hatch Act (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2018 OP
She'll get a "stern warning" bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #1
Followed by a bonus Scalded Nun Mar 2018 #6
Good one! KPN Mar 2018 #28
She looks like she is a crack ho. olegramps Mar 2018 #46
crack ho joseph263 Mar 2018 #58
Off to prison for her...........she knew she was breaking the law.........lawyer Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #2
I don't think this is a prisonable offense Generic Brad Mar 2018 #39
and disbar her Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #42
Let me be the first in a chorus to say this ffr Mar 2018 #3
+1 !!! mitch96 Mar 2018 #35
+1 BadGimp Mar 2018 #44
I think someone transported her across state lines for immoral purposes Cary Mar 2018 #4
And kidnapping and knocking down people's mail boxes Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2018 #7
The Mann Act has been amended several times jmowreader Mar 2018 #14
What is sex with a porn star and asking her to bring her girlfriend? Oppaloopa Mar 2018 #55
That is how Roger Stone took down Elliot Spitzer dhol82 Mar 2018 #57
KellyAnne Conway is a walking talking violation aeromanKC Mar 2018 #32
How come she's not being arrested for Assault? Ligyron Mar 2018 #33
Ha! Ohiogal Mar 2018 #51
Nothing will be done Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2018 #5
Sent to the president for appropriate discplinary action....just spat out my coffee! RestoreAmerica2020 Mar 2018 #23
Gold star moment Cosmocat Mar 2018 #43
referring its findings to President Trump for disciplinary action. UpInArms Mar 2018 #8
Just go to DC and chant, TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #9
I order bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #10
That's about 29 seconds more than she's capable PRETZEL Mar 2018 #12
I remember when she told everyone to buy from Ivanka's clothing line IrishEyes Mar 2018 #11
and her boss will say, what's the Hatch Act? Is that my old buddy Orrin? mountain grammy Mar 2018 #13
Simple yes or no for our lawyers, is this a jail-able offense or not? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #15
No cungar2000 Mar 2018 #16
OK, assuming that is correct, let's see what happens. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #17
Not a lawyer but there is this: angrychair Mar 2018 #20
tx Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #21
So she'll get a stern warning and a bonus - as others have suggested. bitterross Mar 2018 #40
Can Someone Please Explain To Me... jaxind Mar 2018 #18
exactly. especially *this* president. unblock Mar 2018 #22
His very presence is a living, beathing, walking Hatch violation! RestoreAmerica2020 Mar 2018 #31
If he is looking at hatch act violations..... getagrip_already Mar 2018 #19
The OSC referred to here is a separate body from Mueller's group. spooky3 Mar 2018 #25
This has nothing to do with Mueller cungar2000 Mar 2018 #27
Prosecute! world wide wally Mar 2018 #24
a waste of time....what do people actually expect? beachbum bob Mar 2018 #26
Well, at least not fooled Mar 2018 #56
yeah right samnsara Mar 2018 #29
Her punishment will be advice not to do this again. Kablooie Mar 2018 #30
FBI Director Comey was in clear violation of Hatch, and yet Congress did nothing FakeNoose Mar 2018 #34
Congress doesn't enforce the Hatch Act onenote Mar 2018 #52
OK yes that's correct FakeNoose Mar 2018 #54
Witch HATCH ACT are we talking about Plucketeer Mar 2018 #36
I know what she'll get jayschool2013 Mar 2018 #37
NOTE_ OSC WEBSITE IS DOWN James48 Mar 2018 #38
Russian didn't like the UI,,,,,,, redesign in progress Cryptoad Mar 2018 #41
Add her to the list BlueIdaho Mar 2018 #45
She was just offering some alternative facts IronLionZion Mar 2018 #47
Lock her up! bluescribbler Mar 2018 #48
The strongest "punishment" for a Hatch Act violation is dismissal onenote Mar 2018 #49
she must be so happy now found a way out AlexSFCA Mar 2018 #50
She should have been arrested for that outfit she wore to the shitstain's inauguration Ohiogal Mar 2018 #53
Breaking news: Trump coments specifically on Conway's violations of the law DFW Mar 2018 #59
Defenestration? Disembowelment? BobTheSubgenius Mar 2018 #60

Generic Brad

(14,270 posts)
39. I don't think this is a prisonable offense
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 03:58 PM
Mar 2018

It should result in a fine of up to $1000 along with termination from her federal office. She should be barred from working in the federal government for a minimum of five years.

That said, I would prefer to see her locked up too. Unfortunately, this violation won't make that happen.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
4. I think someone transported her across state lines for immoral purposes
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:13 PM
Mar 2018

That there is a violation of the Mann Act.

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
7. And kidnapping and knocking down people's mail boxes
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:18 PM
Mar 2018

Sorry first I ever heard of Mann act was that line in Smokey and the bandit hehe

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
14. The Mann Act has been amended several times
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:39 PM
Mar 2018

In the old days it was so broad that a person from NJ who met a woman in a NYC bar and took her back to his home could be charged with a federal crime. The current version of the Act requires that the sex be illegal, like prostitution, before the Mann Act applies.

Kellyanne does not, as far as we know, engage in prostitution. (Unlocking the doors of power with your vagina is not prostitution.)

dhol82

(9,351 posts)
57. That is how Roger Stone took down Elliot Spitzer
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 12:06 PM
Mar 2018

Had a hooker brought across state lines for the purpose of sex.
Best statement in the episode was that he kept his socks on.

It was a real rat fucking of a very effective democratic politician.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
11. I remember when she told everyone to buy from Ivanka's clothing line
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:34 PM
Mar 2018

I'm still annoyed that she basically did an advertisement for those awful clothes.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
13. and her boss will say, what's the Hatch Act? Is that my old buddy Orrin?
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:37 PM
Mar 2018

I'll just sign an EO and do away with it.. and all the deplorable Rethugs say yay!

 

cungar2000

(98 posts)
16. No
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:45 PM
Mar 2018
Consequences for violating the Hatch Act range from a letter of reprimand to a civil penalty of up to $1,000 to suspension, termination or even debarment from federal employment for up to five year


I don't like Kellyanne but you really want to jail someone for advocating for a candidate while they're working in the White House?

angrychair

(8,593 posts)
20. Not a lawyer but there is this:
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:51 PM
Mar 2018

From the link below:

Violating the Hatch Act can result in punishments range from a warning to an outright dismissal.


https://legaldictionary.net/hatch-act/
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
40. So she'll get a stern warning and a bonus - as others have suggested.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 04:00 PM
Mar 2018

Being accountable for one's actions is not something this administration is familiar with.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
18. Can Someone Please Explain To Me...
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:47 PM
Mar 2018

Can someone please explain to me how it makes any sense that any Hatch Act violations committed by White House staff, are typically handled by the President??!

unblock

(51,974 posts)
22. exactly. especially *this* president.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:57 PM
Mar 2018

with *this* president, the worst hatch act violations would be the most rewarded.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,433 posts)
31. His very presence is a living, beathing, walking Hatch violation!
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:36 PM
Mar 2018

...Dotard and his ilk should barred from our house, and banished...say to Russia.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
19. If he is looking at hatch act violations.....
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:48 PM
Mar 2018

He is looking at EVERYTHING.

This was a warning shot at wh staff and even the cabinet. Cooperate pr else.

This is gonna be good when muehler time arrives!

spooky3

(34,303 posts)
25. The OSC referred to here is a separate body from Mueller's group.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:22 PM
Mar 2018

It's part of the govt civil service with the responsibility to investigate concerns about Hatch Act, merit systems, and other violations.

 

cungar2000

(98 posts)
27. This has nothing to do with Mueller
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:23 PM
Mar 2018

The US office of Special Counsel is not Mueller. This is from a guy named Henry Kerner in the US Office of Special Counsel

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
56. Well, at least
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 11:05 AM
Mar 2018

their criminality is on record, for posterity.

Historians are gonna have a field day with this bunch.


FakeNoose

(32,351 posts)
34. FBI Director Comey was in clear violation of Hatch, and yet Congress did nothing
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:46 PM
Mar 2018

...so who's wasting any time on this little pissant Conway?
This isn't the hill for Democrats to die on. Save it for something important.




onenote

(42,379 posts)
52. Congress doesn't enforce the Hatch Act
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 11:09 PM
Mar 2018

and by law the worst "punishment" is dismissal, which is discretionary and rarely imposed. (Other options are reduction in grade, debarment from federal employment for a period not to exceed 5 years, suspension, reprimand, or a civil penalty not to exceed $1,000. )

And the decision about what penalty to impose is a matter of administrative discretion.

The DOJ Office of Inspector General initiated a investigation into whether Comey violated the Hatch Act but once he was fired, the investigation ended since there was no point in continuing.

FakeNoose

(32,351 posts)
54. OK yes that's correct
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 11:20 PM
Mar 2018

Thanks for setting me straight. But does this mean anything will happen? Of course it doesn't.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
36. Witch HATCH ACT are we talking about
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 03:24 PM
Mar 2018

Vulture egg, alligator egg, dinosaur egg? If I squint hard enough, I can see any of those!

James48

(4,416 posts)
38. NOTE_ OSC WEBSITE IS DOWN
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 03:56 PM
Mar 2018

I've been trying to get to the Office of Special Counsel's website to get a copy of the charge,
at http://www.osc.gov and it's been down for the last 15 minutes.

Can somebody else try? Is it just me? Or is it now down?

Is it a denial of service attack? Or a server crash?

Or what?

onenote

(42,379 posts)
49. The strongest "punishment" for a Hatch Act violation is dismissal
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:55 PM
Mar 2018

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Other options are reduction in grade, debarment from federal employment for a period not to exceed 5 years, suspension, reprimand, or a civil penalty not to exceed $1,000.
And the decision about what penalty to impose is a matter of administrative discretion.

So those yelling prosecute, lock her up, etc. are just demonstrating their lack of knowledge of the law. She'll get a warning, which is what happens the vast majority of Hatch Act violation cases. Findings by the OSC that the Hatch Act has been violated are not uncommon. Dismissals are very uncommon.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
50. she must be so happy now found a way out
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 10:58 PM
Mar 2018

the best punishment for her would be to stay in wh and boil over her bs

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
60. Defenestration? Disembowelment?
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 02:18 PM
Mar 2018

Mildly gruff voice telling her she did a naughty thing, delivered with a wink?

Yeah, that sounds more like it.

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