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Judi Lynn

(160,408 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:24 PM Mar 2018

Prosecutor: After boy, 8, shot sister, mom went back to work

Source: Associated Press

Updated 4:56 pm, Tuesday, March 6, 2018

ASHLAND, Ohio (AP) — An 8-year-old boy loaded a rifle, repeatedly shot his 4-year-old sister at home and then informed their mother, who left work to check the girl's injuries, cleaned up a bloody bed cover and returned to work, leaving the children alone again, a prosecutor said.

Alyssa Edwards, 27, is jailed on child endangerment charges related to the Saturday shooting in Hayesville, about 70 miles (110 kilometers) southwest of Cleveland.

Her attorney, Donald Wick, said Tuesday that he had just received the case and couldn't yet comment.

An arraignment is scheduled for Wednesday. Edwards tearfully appeared for court Monday via video and said that there was no information that a magistrate needed to consider before he set her bond at $30,000, The Ashland Times-Gazette reported .

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Prosecutor-After-boy-8-shot-sister-mom-went-12731272.php





Mother, Alyssa Edwards
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Prosecutor: After boy, 8, shot sister, mom went back to work (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2018 OP
OMG. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #1
Should Have Hardened Home By Hiring BabySitter with a Gun Stallion Mar 2018 #2
No minimum age for owning a real rifle? gyroscope Mar 2018 #3
There are both minimum ownership age and safe storage laws NickB79 Mar 2018 #8
What does a young child need a rifle for? gyroscope Mar 2018 #25
My daughter wants to come hunting with me NickB79 Mar 2018 #29
See? No downside to more guns. rainin Mar 2018 #4
The problem is the 4 year old wasn't armed JI7 Mar 2018 #5
Update from their local newspaper BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #6
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Mar 2018 #7
Gotta Admire Her Work Ethic, But Mama Skills? Not So Much! DoctorJoJo Mar 2018 #9
i went to work right after my wife's funeral dembotoz Mar 2018 #28
Hard to judge without knowing all the circumstances. meadowlander Mar 2018 #10
the fact he was able to get the gun in the first place is a huge failure on the part of the parent JI7 Mar 2018 #12
Oh you got to be kidding me. LisaL Mar 2018 #14
Like I said: meadowlander Mar 2018 #24
No excuse for not taking the child for medical care immediately. milestogo Mar 2018 #15
Especially considering child was shot multiple times and there was blood. LisaL Mar 2018 #20
"The girl was shot at least once in the stomach area." dalton99a Mar 2018 #11
This shakes me to no end. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #13
I didn't see any mention of a father in the story christx30 Mar 2018 #17
Well, she is married and her husband has a job, considering it has been reported LisaL Mar 2018 #19
In the very first paragraph, the article says that her husband liberalhistorian Mar 2018 #22
Wound was leaking urine, from what has been reported. LisaL Mar 2018 #21
That's why I'm totally shocked. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #23
The boy will definitely become a seial killer. Cold War Spook Mar 2018 #16
Wasn't the problem that they had a gun in the house that the kid has access to? LisaL Mar 2018 #18
The gun is just metal it does not feel. Cold War Spook Mar 2018 #27
All Children saidsimplesimon Mar 2018 #26

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
8. There are both minimum ownership age and safe storage laws
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 11:41 PM
Mar 2018

The mom clearly violated the safe storage laws present when she allowed her son access to the firearm; hence why she is under arrest.

Funny you should link to Cricket rifles; that's the model Im planning on buying my daughter later this month.

NickB79

(19,214 posts)
29. My daughter wants to come hunting with me
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 06:48 PM
Mar 2018

We plink soda cans with a BB gun in the backyard, and a single-shot bolt-action .22 is safest real firearm you can buy. The good thing is that you can find specialty .22 ammo that uses lighter bullets and reduced velocity which drops it down to a power level just above a high-end pellet gun. Still lethal if you were hit just right though, which is why it would stay locked up and unloaded with my firearms.

Here in the Upper Midwest, it's not uncommon at all for 7-8 yr old kids, both boys and girls, to start hunting small game. Hell, her classmate bagged a turkey last year and brought the feathers to school for show and tell.

BumRushDaShow

(128,253 posts)
6. Update from their local newspaper
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 08:24 PM
Mar 2018
UPDATE: Mom returned to work after checking daughter’s gunshot wound, prosecutor says

By Dylan Sams / Staff Writer
Posted Mar 5, 2018 at 3:02 PM Updated Mar 5, 2018 at 4:39 PM

<...>

Ashland County Prosecutor Christopher Tunnell said that Edwards’ husband believed she was taking the two children to a babysitter after she and her husband both left for work. Instead, Tunnell said, she left the two children home alone.

The .22-caliber rifle was kept in a gun locker with other firearms in the home, Tunnell said. It was unclear whether it was locked. Even if it were locked, he said, the 8-year-old knew how to unlock the gun locker and “was familiar with the firearm.” “The ammunition was stored separate from the gun, and it appears the 8-year-old was able to load the magazine and chamber the first round,” Tunnell said.

Tunnell indicated Edwards was informed of the shooting of the 4-year-old by the 8-year-old around 10 a.m. while working at a nearby horse farm.

“She came home, cleaned up a bed cover with blood on it, examined the 4-year-old and was aware the 4-year-old was injured at the time,” Tunnell said. “And despite that knowledge, clocked back in at work at 11 a.m., again leaving the 8-year-old and the 4-year-old home alone, yet again.”

http://www.times-gazette.com/news/20180305/update-mom-returned-to-work-after-checking-daughters-gunshot-wound-prosecutor-says

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
7. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 08:35 PM
Mar 2018

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

dembotoz

(16,783 posts)
28. i went to work right after my wife's funeral
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 05:10 PM
Mar 2018

outside sales, had a route......shit had to get done

while i may not agree, i understand

meadowlander

(4,386 posts)
10. Hard to judge without knowing all the circumstances.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 02:06 AM
Mar 2018

She might not have been able to afford the hospital and possibly could not afford to miss work.

If the injury was obviously not severe, the gun was secured and she had reason to believe the older kid wouldn't try to harm the younger one again, then she may have balanced up being able to pay the rent over taking the younger kid immediately to the ER.

Or she might just be a crummy parent.

But you have to factor in whether she is a single parent, whether she has any kind of local support system, the severity of the injury and whether or not she could afford medical care, child care or missed work.

My parents left my brother and I home alone when we were 6 and 7 for hours every day because they couldn't afford day care. That would probably be considered child endangerment now but you have to consider whether or not society has provided parents with any reasonable alternatives.

JI7

(89,233 posts)
12. the fact he was able to get the gun in the first place is a huge failure on the part of the parent
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 02:26 AM
Mar 2018

regardless of anything else.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
14. Oh you got to be kidding me.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 07:17 AM
Mar 2018

Four year old was shot multiple times by her 8 year old brother after both were left home alone. And even after finding that out, mother reportedly went back to work. What else do you need to know?

meadowlander

(4,386 posts)
24. Like I said:
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 01:55 PM
Mar 2018

How serious did the injury look? Did the mother have the appropriate medical knowledge to assess it?
What was the mother's financial situation? Did she have any help?
Did she have reason to think that the older kid would keep trying to injure the younger one?

It's fine to say "she's a sadistic monster who wanted her younger child to die" but it seems equally, if not more, probable that she was broke, couldn't afford the emergency room, didn't have a car to take the child, came home and checked on the injury (wouldn't a sadistic monster just have stayed at work in the first place?) either could tell that it wasn't life-threatening or didn't know enough to see how serious it was, and then weighed everything up and decided that paying the rent and buying food would help her kid more.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
20. Especially considering child was shot multiple times and there was blood.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:52 AM
Mar 2018

What kind of person thinks that the child doesn't need immediate medical attention after that?

dalton99a

(81,371 posts)
11. "The girl was shot at least once in the stomach area."
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 02:10 AM
Mar 2018

Shot in the stomach area? No big deal. Put a Band-Aid on in.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
13. This shakes me to no end.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 02:47 AM
Mar 2018

The story at the link posted by the OP said the parent only took the child to the hospital after she noticed urine coming out of one of the wounds. This child had been shot four times, but apparently that was OK up to that observation!

Our country is totally going to shit when getting back to work - no matter the circumstances - is more important than caring for an injured child who probably will be traumatized for life, and who could easily have died from these wounds.

..............

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. I didn't see any mention of a father in the story
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:34 AM
Mar 2018

Is he still in The mom may have been on her own. Needing to support the children, it's easy to see how one might feel overwhelmed. Needing to bring home as much money as you can, because "if I don't work, they don't eat." This seems to me to be someone just trying to keep her job. Trying to keep a roof over their heads. Being in survival mode for a long time can wear you down. Fatigue can lead to poor judgement and decision making.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
19. Well, she is married and her husband has a job, considering it has been reported
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:39 AM
Mar 2018

that husband was at work when this happened.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
22. In the very first paragraph, the article says that her husband
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 10:04 AM
Mar 2018

believed that she was taking the children to a babysitter just before they both left for work.

I agree she should be charged for leaving them alone again and not taking the girl to the hospital, but what about the father's joint responsibility to keep the guns locked up? Seems to me he should share that responsibility with the mother.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
21. Wound was leaking urine, from what has been reported.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:54 AM
Mar 2018

I presume that means her bladder was injured in the shooting. Seems clear she would have died without medical attention.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
23. That's why I'm totally shocked.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 10:07 AM
Mar 2018

No matter how desperate a parent is for money or even fearing for losing a job, nothing else would matter to me (or anyone I know) than getting immediate medical help for that child.

Surely anyone with even enough sense to get out of the rain would know the danger of an abdominal bullet wound.

Will be of interest to see how this case plays out. Regardless, the future of this young family is in jeopardy and those children will surely need extensive counseling.


 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
16. The boy will definitely become a seial killer.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:22 AM
Mar 2018

The boy will definitely become a serial killer. The police should go around the neighborhood and see how many people will say that their pets have disappeared. Mom, better stay armed around your son.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
18. Wasn't the problem that they had a gun in the house that the kid has access to?
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:34 AM
Mar 2018

I find your suggestion that the solution for her to stay armed bizarre, to say the least.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
27. The gun is just metal it does not feel.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 05:01 PM
Mar 2018

What was the boy feeling? Did he even show emotion? If not, he is probably a sociopath or psychopath, though there isn't really much difference between them. The reason for police to check on pets in the area is they usually start with small animals. If I had someone living in my house that likes to shoot people, I would definitely be armed at all times.

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