Syria 'chemical attack': Russia and US in fierce row at UN

[erronis]

Source: BBC

The US and Russia have traded barbs at a UN Security Council meeting on the alleged chemical attack in Syria.

Russian envoy Vassily Nebenzia said the incident in Douma was staged and that US military action in response could have "grave repercussions".

US Ambassador Nikki Haley said Russia had the "blood of Syrian children" on its hands.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43706579

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It's unfortunate that we have had to mistrust our own government as much as the other evil empires.

I trust our professionals who have worked hard to make this country work. I totally distrust the carpetbaggers that were installed in last election.

[sandensea]

1. It's never been harder to know who's telling the truth.

Between Nikki Haley - or any other Cheeto appointee - and a Russian apparatchnik, it's nothing but half truths.

IF that.

[Liberalagogo]

2. Note that this is all escalating

just when Shithole's lawyer is getting raided.

Coincidence?

[BigmanPigman]

3. I thought the trade war would provide the necessary distraction.

I never believe a word from any Russian but I do trust Haley a ton more, even if she is in the fucking moron's camp.

[Liberalagogo]

8. The more the heat is turned up on the Shithole

the more distractions you are going to see.

[erronis]

6. I'd say coincidence but given the rate of failures of the repugs/dumps, coincidences abound.

Every day, every hour there's something new that boggles a mind that expects rationality and repeatibility- a scientific approach to cause and effect.

With the random spewings that come from the WH I think the predictability is almost in how unpredictable it is. There's a phrase in experimentation/statistics for this.

If you're interested in why several things may happen at the same time, I highly recommend David Hand's "The Improbability Principle: Why Coincidences, Miracles, and Rare Events Happen Every Day" While this is a good description of probability, it doesn't explain how we ended up with so many cretins in our government. Another book....

[Liberalagogo]

7. My point is

that when the heat is turned up on the Shithole, suddenly there are more problems with Russia. I think coordination and collusion are a lot more likely than any coincidence.

[Cha]

16. Kabuki theater?

[Liberalagogo]

17. Yes and no

These people would do anything to take the heat off. Even start a real global conflict.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. The video I saw of this looked potentially bogus. I have no idea who or why it would have

created it or for what purpose, but the whole attack ought to be properly investigated before drawing conclusions one way or the other.

[fountainofyouth]

10. Bogus based on what? n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. Bogus based on three kids getting treated with one puff of an asthma breather and squirted with

garden hose. Is there any more evidence than this? If so let me know.

[fountainofyouth]

13. Graphic CNN video in link

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/04/08/syria-chemical-attack-video-foam-mouth-barrel-bomb-civilians-pleitgen-newday.cnn

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Too late to argue the authenticity of it anyway.

Israel already used it as a pretext to start bombing Syria. Here we go!

[Nitram]

18. Nice try, Casual. Confronted with the evidence you asked for you deflect to Israel.

Given the history and the players, the truth in this situation is not so difficult to distinguish from the lies. Syria has been using chemical weapons on its people for a long time now, and Russia has always defended Assad no matter what. This is not war, it is crimes against humanity as defined in numerous international treaties.

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. No point in arguing with the authority!

Case closed.

[Nitram]

23. I guess not. Human Rights Watch has reported 80 incidents since the start of the civil war.

When barrels are dropped from helicopters, it ani't the rebels. They don't have helicopters.

[The_Casual_Observer]

24. Ok you win. Case closed.

[SummerSnow]

5. So all of those people in the video were actors. Give me a break

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. I don't know what they were but they seem to only have one 45 sec video of the whole event.

Hardly proof of anything. If you have some other evidence please share it. I can't find any.

[cbreezen]

15. For what it's worth... I assumed it occurred on a playground or

at a day care center. I didn't see any adult victims.

When I see videos that are edited to induce a maximum emotional reaction, I think Kuwait and incubators.

You are not alone in feeling the need to don that old now and again.

[0rganism]

9. i can't help but think this "fierce row" is pure...

[Nitram]

19. I can very easily see it as something a great deal more serious than Kabuki theater.

Unless you think every chemical attack so far has been fake news. That is a great deal harder to believe that such attacks are in the interests of Russia and Assad. The UN and numerous apolitical NGOs have collected substantial evidence of the attacks. Assad and his Russian allies have killed 700,000 Syrians so far.

[0rganism]

20. i don't for a second believe the attacks are fake

i DO however believe the "fierce row" twixt Trump and his Russian Boss regarding the matter are fake.

i also believe my post was misunderstood, which is quite possible as it was on the terse side.

[Nitram]

21. OK, thanks for the clarification. There was a post or two above that clearly suggested they were

fake, so I jumped to conclusions. Sorry about that. One wonders if Trump is trying to show he's his own man, and not beholden to Putin. Too little, too late.