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brooklynite

(94,299 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:12 PM Apr 2018

FAA issues 'emergency' order for airlines to inspect fan blades on engine type that exploded

Source: CNBC

The U.S. airline regulator on Friday ordered airlines to inspect the fan blades of some engines of the same type that exploded on a Southwest Airlines flight earlier this week. One passenger was killed when one of the Boeing 737's engine's fan blades broke loose.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an Emergency Airworthiness Directive (EAD) that requires operators to inspect fan blades on certain CFM56-7B engines within 20 days. The directive is based on a CFM International Service Bulletin issued today and on information gathered from the investigation of Tuesday's Southwest Airlines engine failure. The inspection requirement applies to CFM56-7B engines. Specifically, engines with more than 30,000 total cycles from new must undergo inspections within 20 days. The EAD becomes effective upon publication. The engine manufacturer estimates today's corrective action affects 352 engines in the U.S. and 681 engines worldwide.

This story is developing. Please check back for updates.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/faa-issues-emergency-order-for-airlines-to-inspect-fan-blades-on-engine-type-that-exploded-on-southwest-flight.html

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FAA issues 'emergency' order for airlines to inspect fan blades on engine type that exploded (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2018 OP
I am glad they are acting on this quickly still_one Apr 2018 #1
deregulation jameslandy Apr 2018 #2
SAFETY regulation? Never, one hopes. elleng Apr 2018 #3
But, but, but..... paleotn Apr 2018 #4
Air travel has gotten much safer since deregulation GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #9
You are confusing the issues of economic regulation and safety, elleng Apr 2018 #12
I stated 2 facts: GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #13
You stated conclusions. elleng Apr 2018 #15
Both of the things I stated are facts GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #16
This isn't about deregulation DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #5
Cracks James48 Apr 2018 #7
There should be a service bulletin DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #17
Hello: Regulation mandates more frequent inspections & repair when problems found. It is about regs. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #18
The FAA had an order out to inspect the blades DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #19
okay i'm flying across the country Sunday barbtries Apr 2018 #6
Different plane bluecollar2 Apr 2018 #8
thank you barbtries Apr 2018 #10
I should clarify bluecollar2 Apr 2018 #11
thanks barbtries Apr 2018 #14
I just finished checking my fan's blades. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2018 #20

jameslandy

(2 posts)
2. deregulation
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:34 PM
Apr 2018

So the airlines have to ground aircraft and spend money to inspect engines. When is the trumpster going to eliminate this costly government overreach regulation?

elleng

(130,708 posts)
3. SAFETY regulation? Never, one hopes.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:36 PM
Apr 2018

'Economic' regulation, for instance re: mergers,' is another thing.

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
4. But, but, but.....
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:12 PM
Apr 2018

The free market! Sure, a few may have to die in the process, but the free market will sort all this out. Hey, you've got a break a few eggs to make an omelet

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
9. Air travel has gotten much safer since deregulation
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 10:37 PM
Apr 2018

Airline travel has never been as safe as it is today. Regulation was not about safety but market regulation.

And not only is air travel much safer it is so much more affordable.

elleng

(130,708 posts)
12. You are confusing the issues of economic regulation and safety,
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:34 AM
Apr 2018

and you state conclusions without facts.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
13. I stated 2 facts:
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:40 AM
Apr 2018

1. Air travel is safer now than ever before.

2. Air travel is more affordable than before deregulation.

Both of those are facts.

Deregulation has little to do with fact No. 1 since airline deregulation had nothing to do with safety regulations. Competition and mainly technology advances account for that.

Deregulation had everything to do with fact number 2.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. Both of the things I stated are facts
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:59 AM
Apr 2018

Air travel is safer than ever.

Air travel is cheaper than before deregulation.


I am shocked at how many people on DU defend air travel before deregulation. It was certainly plush but the average person could not afford to fly very much.

I have stated several facts that support deregulation. Facts. Not conclusions whatever that was supposed to mean.

How about you step up and tell us the advantages we would have if we re-regulated the Airlines.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
5. This isn't about deregulation
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:36 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Fri Apr 20, 2018, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a long history of jet engine components like blades, vanes and disks failing. AFAIK, there's never been an algorithm developed that would/can predict when a failure will occur or what exact operating paramenters lead to failures. Sometimes these components pass inspection, then fail. It's known as "zero propagation" or the component shows no cracks or abnormalities before failing. IOW, the component gives no sign it's ready to fail. I'm not surpised the FAA and/or GE has slapped an hour limit on the fan blades; that's the usual course of action.

FTR, this is exactly the same thing the military services do when there's a component failure. They put on a hour limit, then inspect and replace as needed. They do not replace all the fan blade sets if one blade fails. It's cost prohibative and imho the few blade manufacturers and the manufacturers of the forgings and castings from which these components are made would not have the capacity to produce enough new parts to meet the demand of 100% replacement.

ETA: Reading further, it appears the blade did show cracks. It's absolutely inexcusable for Southwest to have not replaced the blade set. If I'm the family of the passenger who died, I'd be getting the best personal injury lawyer I could find and suing Southwest for all they're worth. I realize sometimes the engineers do allow components to continue in service with some degree of cracking, but blade sets are not so expensive that replacing one pair puts a big dent in profits.

James48

(4,426 posts)
7. Cracks
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 08:28 PM
Apr 2018

That blade DID show evidence of a pre-existing crack, but I have not seen anything that says Southwest saw it before this accident. The NTSB’s statement was that the post-accident inspection showed that that blade had evidence of a crack propagating for a while. Typically that means avdiscoloration of the metal surface in the crack, followed by the clean break edge of the final catastrophic failure.

It will take some time to sort out- it is very, very early in this investigation.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
17. There should be a service bulletin
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 05:39 AM
Apr 2018

on the blade cracking from the OEM. This wasn't the first incident of blade failure on this particular engine. I know from experience that sometimes the engineers allow components to continue in service with some degree of cracking, but without seeing the maintenance bulletin, assuming there is one, who knows?

The FAA did have a requirement out that all airlines with aircraft equipped with this particular CFM56 engine model inspect the fan blades, but the airlines pushed back against the time (12 months) the FAA gave them to comply. Southwest got really lucky. When I worked at DoD, I recall an F14 crash from a similar blade failure.

barbtries

(28,756 posts)
6. okay i'm flying across the country Sunday
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:47 PM
Apr 2018

on a 737-800 - is it a different plane? thank you

it's not going to keep me off the plane so i don't even know why i'm wasting energy stressing it at all.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
11. I should clarify
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:30 AM
Apr 2018

The -800 Is a next generation airframe. The engine is actually the same model number but will probably have significantly lower hours/cycles on it.

In any event, I wouldn't concern myself too much.

I was a mechanic for over 31 years and specialized in airframe maintenance and spent 10 years in the engine overhaul shop doing non-destructive testing on jet engine components.

Given the number of engines in service world-wide and the number of blades spinning at high speeds for hours at a time, and the reliability of the engine I would suspect that the failure of the blade on this engine will eventually be traced to a human factor rather than an engineering design issue or a manufacturing defect.

Enjoy your flight!

barbtries

(28,756 posts)
14. thanks
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:44 AM
Apr 2018

i have a good book to read and tend to sleep well on the plane. enjoy, not so much, but yeah. thank you for sharing your expertise.

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